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Fans get hung up on money because they realize that you can not maintain a high level of play over an extended period of time paying big money contracts to every player on your roster under the constraints of a salary cap. Those fans are smart enough to know that that it is not how the successful organizations in the league do business.

And 14.5M instead of 12M is going to be what breaks this team? 2.5M will take this team from playoff contender to bottom of the league?
 
For me it's because this could hurt the team in acquiring other important pieces to the team. If he gets hurt that is a huge chunk of money invested in only one person. We have already invested both large contracts and draft picks on the wide receiver group. Finally, I am always concerned about team dynamics with team-mates who make fractional amount of money yet post comparable numbers (Parker?)

If you let Landry walk, you have replace him and his production. That's not Caroo or Ford because they aren't slot receivers. And if you even find a replacement, eventually you have to pay him or let him walk. You can be a scrooge and nickel and dime yourself back to mediocrity, or you can pay to keep your own home grown talent. Good teams take care of their own. Bad teams let their talent walk. We've been a bad team for over a decade and it's time to become a good team.
 
Just pay the man he is the epitome of team first, the cap keeps going up, you pay your top players period.

Edit. It's better to get the deal done now and spread it over the extra year!
 
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You can sit and spin on your insignificant "slot WR" designations and other lame rhetoric. Plays like this is why you pay the man.

https://twitter.com/Brickwallblitz/status/867586930451656704

He embodies the team first mentality.
Funny, there were a lot of people saying this to me about Devone Bess too. Now I'll be the first to say that Jarvis Landry is an elite slot WR. And I'll be the first to say he is a natural leader and a huge benefit in the WR room as their leader and inspiration. I'm a bona fide fan of Landry. But if you think there is no difference between an X, a Y and a Z ... well then I'm afraid we dramatically disagree. There's a reason Landry is exclusively playing the slot. He doesn't possess the speed to challenge deep and when he is locked against a sideline he becomes significantly less effective. Landry is .... a very good slot WR. He isn't an outside receiver. He's not really the burner, nor is he the big target.

If we overpay him and keep him, I'll be happy we have him. But that will not change my opinion that 14M+ per year is too much to pay a slot WR. Maybe we can take it out of the DT's and just go with guys like Godchaux and Vincent as rotational starters. I guess there are places to find the money ... but IMHO, overpaying is overpaying.
 
Funny, there were a lot of people saying this to me about Devone Bess too. Now I'll be the first to say that Jarvis Landry is an elite slot WR. And I'll be the first to say he is a natural leader and a huge benefit in the WR room as their leader and inspiration. I'm a bona fide fan of Landry. But if you think there is no difference between an X, a Y and a Z ... well then I'm afraid we dramatically disagree. There's a reason Landry is exclusively playing the slot. He doesn't possess the speed to challenge deep and when he is locked against a sideline he becomes significantly less effective. Landry is .... a very good slot WR. He isn't an outside receiver. He's not really the burner, nor is he the big target.

Y = TE.

In my own time I'll address the rest of your inaccuracies and old school thought pertaining to the slot position.

*Davone Bess comparisons :facepalm
 
Y = TE.

In my own time I'll address the rest of your inaccuracies and old school thought pertaining to the slot position.

*Davone Bess comparisons :facepalm
I never said you rated Bess ... but I was in the minority who thought he was replaceable. I've been through this discussion before.

The biggest criteria for a slot WR is quickness to create separation. The other big criteria is route running. Those are two of Landry's 3 biggest strengths, with the other being hands. Call it what you will, the slot WR isn't the same as the outside receivers. You would see a lot more interchangeability, rather than just a change of pace, if they were truly interchangeable.
 
Agree with this. It's about two components. The money and having enough to keep high level talent, but also the personnel issue and how do you want your team to look. I see Landry as a Nat Moore type, and we hope DVP and Stills are your Clayton and Duper. That type of talent along with Aj'ayi being an elite back is enough to get us to the dance. Add a top 10 D and scheme and you can win when you get there.
 
We should at the very least tag Jarvis for 1 season, if we don't do that I'll be pissed. That buys time to get an extension done, and the reality is none of these stars want to play on the tag. If we had tagged OV, who knows, he may have signed long term and we wouldn't have had to basically over pay Branch, who I am actually glad we signed (had to). This franchise needs to use the tag more often, and I'm confident Jarvis will get it if things don't work out. But I agree with you Digital, 14M+ is hard to swallow for a WR who lacks desired traits to play on the outside, I don't know or care enough to get into all the guaranteed jargon.
 
Honestly, that sounds about right based on his production and what he means to this team. It might mean that Miami won't be able to keep DaVante Parker if he suddenly reaches his vast potential, but that's a problem for another day.
 
Letting Landy go would be a bonehead decision. It reminds me so much of the Welker decision a few years ago.

Nothing like the Welker situation. Welker wasn't used and wasn't going to be used in the way Patriots, Tom Brady and BB used him. Factor in the poison pill ploy by Pats, yeah nothing like Welker situation one bit.

Those that liken it to the Wade situation need to realize in the NBA 1 or 2 players could carry a team to a championship(not likely anymore in the modern day and age), Wade did that and then came the big 3 for more rings. The way Wade was strung along year after year with promise of the big contract was a slap in the face and poorly handled by Heat and Pat. In that setting, you show loyalty to a player that has taken your franchise to the height of all heights. As far as Jarvis, I love him as a player and his heart, but he isn't going to be 1 or 2 reasons we win a championship(more like 1 of 52 pieces). Those that fear and worry what we would ever do without him need to step back off the ledge and look back at Gase and his system. Schemes to fit current players, not saying Jarvis can be replaced heart wise but if he wants over the top money, see ya buddy, scheme will have your Td numbers matched.
 
Too much.

Fans care about money because over spent money in one spot creates holes else where.
 
And 14.5M instead of 12M is going to be what breaks this team? 2.5M will take this team from playoff contender to bottom of the league?


By your logic then, there is no such thing as a bad contract. And my point was not about the difference of 2.5 million dollars. My point was, should the Dolphins pay Landry a big contract at all. I love the guy, but you would not see great organizations like the Patriots, Steelers, and Packers pay that kind of money for the type of wide receiver Landry is.
 
By your logic then, there is no such thing as a bad contract. And my point was not about the difference of 2.5 million dollars. My point was, should the Dolphins pay Landry a big contract at all. I love the guy, but you would not see great organizations like the Patriots, Steelers, and Packers pay that kind of money for the type of wide receiver Landry is.

How does my logic dictate that no contract is a bad contract? We are talking about our most productive, record-setting, Probowl receiver, not some second string TE. The Patriots just traded a first rounder for Brandin Cooks and the Steelers just paid Antonio Brown the big bucks. Obviously, these organizations value good WR play. But if you want to compare us to the Packers, then come talk to me when Tannehill starts playing at Aaron Rodger's level, then I'll keep a straight face when you tell me WRs are interchangeable. Until we get a generational QB who elevates the talent of skill players around him, we need to invest in keeping our young productive skill players. Letting them walk over something as silly as the "type of WR" they are is Jeff Ireland/Joe Philbin-esque.
 
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