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But did it really? Sure we got the comp picks which are extremely valuable, but OV is a hell of a football player to lose. Look at the resources we are using to try and replace him. You've got Mario's contract, Branch, and now a first round pick. I like our situation at DE now, but it's been very costly to fix. Had we tagged OV, perhaps he signs with us for around 15 mil a year because he doesn't seem like the type that wants to play on a tag. My point is, we need to start using the franchise tag. Not the transition tag, but the franchise tag. It buys you time, isn't risky for the future, and you get to retain an elite player for another year in his prime. This is what we should do with Landry if things don't work out, buy time and another year of his prime. After that he can walk and still give us the comp picks in the future if necessary, but this franchise needs to start buying time, it's kind of valuable. If we want to truly compete with NE these next 2 years (hopefully they drop off after that) we are going to need Juice and that's only going to cost us around 9 mil per year on average which is an absolute steal. 2 years from now, everything will change, but we need to stay as competitive as possible through 2018, which coincidentally is the end of HoF Cam Wake's contract. Then a new era begins...

Unfortunately I think it's a very difficult time to use the franchise tag on Landry because
that cap hit/charge will be in excess of $15 million. We have 9 players whose cap
hit goes up $41.1 million dollars in our 2018 season add to that Landry's
$15+ million and an increase of $60.5 million from 2017 to 2018

That's quite a large cap increase without dropping players left and right
I would imagine Pouncey and Maxwell will have to go

Here's the 9 players whose cap hits increase in 2018 with Landry if franchised

Landry...$15 million+ cap hit
Suh's cap hit goes up by $7 million next season over this one
Jones's cap hit goes up $7.8 million
Maxwell's goes up $1.5 million
Thomas's cap hit goes up $1 million
Stills goes up $6 million
Alonso's goes up 6.8 million
Branch goes up $5 million
Timmons goes up $4.4 million
James goes up $6.6 million

60.5 million cap hit increase...Welcome to 2018
 
Unfortunately I think it's a very difficult time to use the franchise tag on Landry because
that cap hit/charge will be in excess of $15 million. We have 9 players whose cap
hit goes up $41.1 million dollars in our 2018 season add to that Landry's
$15+ million and an increase of $60.5 million from 2017 to 2018

That's quite a large cap increase without dropping players left and right
I would imagine Pouncey and Maxwell will have to go

Here's the 9 players whose cap hits increase in 2018 with Landry if franchised

Landry...$15 million+ cap hit
Suh's cap hit goes up by $7 million next season over this one
Jones's cap hit goes up $7.8 million
Maxwell's goes up $1.5 million
Thomas's cap hit goes up $1 million
Stills goes up $6 million
Alonso's goes up 6.8 million
Branch goes up $5 million
Timmons goes up $4.4 million
James goes up $6.6 million

60.5 million cap hit increase...Welcome to 2018

That's pretty rough, but I imagine it would still be manageable. Teams are up against the cap all the time and still find ways to get deals done, like the Saints with AP. I think Tannehill would be open to restructure to keep Juice, money can always be moved around. I'm no cap expert and perhaps it would be financially unfeasible, but cutting ties with Pouncey and Maxwell would certainly help a lot. Hoping Pouncey can stay healthy, but very concerned he will not (obvi). When you look at it from a 2 year perspective, even with the tag Landry is a steal. This year it's almost just criminal, he should protect his future and sign now for around 12 mil imho, that's what I would do. But I'm no Juice, more like a dry wine lol.
 
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Unfortunately I think it's a very difficult time to use the franchise tag on Landry because
that cap hit/charge will be in excess of $15 million. We have 9 players whose cap
hit goes up $41.1 million dollars in our 2018 season add to that Landry's
$15+ million and an increase of $60.5 million from 2017 to 2018

That's quite a large cap increase without dropping players left and right
I would imagine Pouncey and Maxwell will have to go

Here's the 9 players whose cap hits increase in 2018 with Landry if franchised

Landry...$15 million+ cap hit
Suh's cap hit goes up by $7 million next season over this one
Jones's cap hit goes up $7.8 million
Maxwell's goes up $1.5 million
Thomas's cap hit goes up $1 million
Stills goes up $6 million
Alonso's goes up 6.8 million
Branch goes up $5 million
Timmons goes up $4.4 million
James goes up $6.6 million

60.5 million cap hit increase...Welcome to 2018


Well, then I guess before we reach 2018...

 
I like this philosophy. It certainly worked with Olivier Vernon.

NO it didn't! Miami could have kept Vernon and paid him about 1/3 of what he makes now if they were proactive and didn't drag their feet in contract talks. They knew they liked him, they knew they wanted to keep him, they dragged their feet for over a year to the point where OV said, nope not talking contract I will test FA. Then FA comes and he has a bunch of offers Miami can't come close to matching. Same could happen to Landry. Just sign him now his value is only going to go up, it never goes down.

Would be nice to have OV still and have him making average money. The Front Office blew that
 
NO it didn't! Miami could have kept Vernon and paid him about 1/3 of what he makes now if they were proactive and didn't drag their feet in contract talks. They knew they liked him, they knew they wanted to keep him, they dragged their feet for over a year to the point where OV said, nope not talking contract I will test FA. Then FA comes and he has a bunch of offers Miami can't come close to matching. Same could happen to Landry. Just sign him now his value is only going to go up, it never goes down.

Would be nice to have OV still and have him making average money. The Front Office blew that

IT WAS SARCASM. Read the thread. I just said that earlier.
 
Carroo and Ford would have to show A LOT of promise! Landry brings intangibles that can't be overlooked. Hopefully, it gets done soon at about $12/mil a yr.

Ya I don't think we should risk losing one of our best players and the heart and soul of the Miami Dolphins.

I can see him agreeing to a 5 yr 65 mil contract..Someone will pay it if not us

We CANNOT let Jarvis leave.

He's the one player I consider the reason for change in Miami. He's been a godsend.

I know the lack of Tds but he's so much more than just a great receiver.

He instills fear into opposing Dbs with his blocking and aggressive play.

He makes plays out of nothing. Our offense would be a joke without him.

It could also be risky not getting a deal done this year. (He may get 12 tds this upcoming season)

The guys breaking records and is already a top 50 NFL player. (A little high to me but the players think otherwise)

Please don't risk the chance when we're signing Kenny Stills to a contract worth 8 mil a year. (they're not even close in any department except for speed which goes to Stills)

We need to keep him a Miami Dolphin for his career. Make it happen!!

PHINS UP!!!
 
Looking at WR $, accounting for rising cap and his leadership. I draw the line at 4/48. Not a penny more
 
Landry is spoken of as the "heart of the team" or that he get's the offense fired up. Gase is gradually aquiring players with that same alpha attitude and team mentality, so the intangibles Landry has will be had by most. He is a slot receiver.

Who on offense?

Who cares where he lines up on the field when he's producing record stats.. (Patriots sure do well with slot receivers)

Not one person on here would say he's not the heart and soul. (It may sound cliche but our culture has changed a full 180.)

He's a top 50 player..The players know the NFL has changed.

Lining up in a nickel formation on D is becoming the norm as is having a great slot receiver.
(Odell lines up in the slot a lot as well, not as much but my point is the NFL has changed)

We know how valuable a stud slot receiver is from watching Brady dink and donk all game long for almost 2 decades now while winning 5 Sbs.

Landry isn't your typical slot receiver. (He's the best in the league at playing the slot)

He's strong as hell, tough, aggressive, a playmaker, doesn't drop passes, can play X or Z if needed, top tier blocking receiver, elite quickness, etc..

The perfect WR..http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap30...wr-odell-beckhams-hands-dez-bryants-strength-

For anyone from the Dolphins to get that much love shows his greatness and he's the face of our franchise.
(Maybe Gase but not to the average NFL fan)

If we don't pay him, someone else will. I would be sick.

We cannot let that happen. Parker and Stills haven't shown enough.

Losing the #42 best player in the NFL over money would be stupid.

Losing Landry would be a huge hit to our franchise considering what he's accomplished for the last 3 years.

Other than dumba$$ penalties, the guy barely has any flaws in his game (speed but quickness is more important IMO)

PHINS UP!!!
 
Who on offense?

Who cares where he lines up on the field when he's producing record stats.. (Patriots sure do well with slot receivers)

Not one person on here would say he's not the heart and soul. (It may sound cliche but our culture has changed a full 180.)

He's a top 50 player..The players know the NFL has changed.

Lining up in a nickel formation on D is becoming the norm as is having a great slot receiver.
(Odell lines up in the slot a lot as well, not as much but my point is the NFL has changed)

We know how valuable a stud slot receiver is from watching Brady dink and donk all game long for almost 2 decades now while winning 5 Sbs.

Landry isn't your typical slot receiver. (He's the best in the league at playing the slot)

He's strong as hell, tough, aggressive, a playmaker, doesn't drop passes, can play X or Z if needed, top tier blocking receiver, elite quickness, etc..

The perfect WR..http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap30...wr-odell-beckhams-hands-dez-bryants-strength-

For anyone from the Dolphins to get that much love shows his greatness and he's the face of our franchise.
(Maybe Gase but not to the average NFL fan)

If we don't pay him, someone else will. I would be sick.

We cannot let that happen. Parker and Stills haven't shown enough.

Losing the #42 best player in the NFL over money would be stupid.

Losing Landry would be a huge hit to our franchise considering what he's accomplished for the last 3 years.

Other than dumba$$ penalties, the guy barely has any flaws in his game (speed but quickness is more important IMO)

PHINS UP!!!

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Not one person on here would say he's not the heart and soul.

I don't even like the guy. I see a player with an unhealthy obsession in his competition with Beckham. If Beckham makes a one-handed catch, and then so does Landry. Stupid... just like his bone-headed penalties because he can't control his emotions. IMO, no way is he the "heart and soul" of the offense. What were the main differences in the offense under Gase as compared to under Philbin/Lazor? Gase made more use of the running game and the vertical passing game, and had success with them. Philbin's philosophy was basically "throw short". Gase wanted the same thing, but at least he changed up and added in the run and the deep ball. That's right... I believe that the running game and the deep ball are more important to the offense than anything that Landry contributes. If Miami had a big, tough, nasty, old-school o-line they would have been even more successful. If Landry asks for too much money I'd let him walk. That money would be better spent on building a formidable o-line once and for all.
 
I don't even like the guy. I see a player with an unhealthy obsession in his competition with Beckham. If Beckham makes a one-handed catch, and then so does Landry. Stupid... just like his bone-headed penalties because he can't control his emotions. IMO, no way is he the "heart and soul" of the offense. What were the main differences in the offense under Gase as compared to under Philbin/Lazor? Gase made more use of the running game and the vertical passing game, and had success with them. Philbin's philosophy was basically "throw short". Gase wanted the same thing, but at least he changed up and added in the run and the deep ball. That's right... I believe that the running game and the deep ball are more important to the offense than anything that Landry contributes. If Miami had a big, tough, nasty, old-school o-line they would have been even more successful. If Landry asks for too much money I'd let him walk. That money would be better spent on building a formidable o-line once and for all.

I can see that you don't like him. lol

They're "real" best friends that the NFL publicizes lol Are they supposed to lie or act like they're not.

Name one thing Landry has done that makes him a cancer or bad guy for the team?

You'd take Beckham even with his dumb penalties and you know it. The good outweigh the bad by a longshot with both of them.

Landry wears his emotions on his sleeve which works both good (trucking over hightower/blocking) and bad (penalties)

Olivier Vernon had boneheaded penalties as does Suh. (Still both all-pros)

Nobody ever said the running game isn't super important or the deep ball Lol

So you'd use the money to pay guards? We have a 1st round Right and LT already.

Gabe Jackson just got 5yr 56 mil...Is that money better spent for you?

Obviously every fan in the NFL wants a big nasty O-line. It's not that easy otherwise it would be done lol
(We've tried for years as you know)

This is about what Jarvis Landry means to the team. We'd be screwed without Landry.

Who's the heart and soul then?
 
Note from Moderator - Please put all further debates, discussions and articles (at least until he is actually offered a new contract) in this thread, we do not need 20 separate debates regarding when/if Landry should be offered an extension.


If you sign him at the end of the year doesnt it become a much larger check that if you sign him 6 months ago?

Im in orlando so I dont get to read about the fins every day but I dont get the thinking...I honestly (with our history) see the FO screwing the pooch and Landry leaving to another team...
 
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He wants and expects to be paid as a top 5 NFL WR. While he is the best slot receiver in the game, he doesn't score many TDs. I expect that Miami has told him that if he can lift his game to the next level, then he will be paid accordingly.
 
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