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Next up for the Miami Dolphins: The rotten, stinkin’ — and winless — Jets

There's no reason we shouldn't win this game. Even 75% of the Jets fans were candid. It's still a divisional game which always brings something out in even terrible teams. To say we have nobody to worry about is a delusional fan (probably Fireman Ed) lol
 
phins_4_ever said:
No team wants to tank it nor do they tank it. This is a fan philosophy. If the Jets could win 6 games they will. Players on the team still play for future contracts either with the Jets or someone else. No GM or owner wants to tank a season considering that every team has a season ticket holder base. In the Jets case they charge a PSL on top of seasonticket prices.

This "tanking" is an invention of the media and fans.
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I think you're right about the players, but I also think you're mistaken about tanking being a fiction created by media and fans. At some level there is a decision made to put the team in a position to have less chance of success in the short term, in order for a greater chance of success in the long term. Not every organization does it, but some certainly do.

For example, I followed the 76ers' tankapalooza for several years, and while I saw players giving effort every game, only the blind and deaf could think that organization as a whole was trying to be as successful as possible in each of those years. Will it pay off? The next few years will be interesting.

Another example is the Colts team that was bad enough to land Andrew Luck. Did that organization, top-to-bottom, put them is the best possible position for success that year? I would argue they did not. Funny thing is that while their tactic of tanking succeeded in landing Luck, it hasn't led them to the long-term success they planned. To my way of thinking, the Colts are the cautionary tale about tanking as an organizational strategy.
 
I'm surprised by the level of confidence in this team after squeaking by last week. I don't think the Jets are nearly as bad as the whole country seems to believe they are. They were hanging with the Raiders the whole first half until they muffed a punt inside their own 10 right before half to completely swing the scoreboard and then have their wheels fall off the 2nd half where they got gashed in the run game. McCown's a serviceable quarterback, and if we can't get pressure, he's going to play over the middle all day on our LBs. He can also scramble well (broke free for two long runs, one on 3rd and 15 last week). Yeah I think Ajayi should have a big day, but our defense is going to make me uncomfortable against any opponent.
 
I just got tickets for this game and they were $30 cheaper than they were last week for the same section. It is cheaper to get a ticket for the game than it is to park your car there. I am pretty sure the fans have given up.

Its a a division game, and its the NFL, but there isn't much good on the Jets. Kearse has been the only bright spot on offense, and you can't give much credit to defense that is allowing 30+ pts a game. Their run defense is giving up 185ypg, so I hope we run Jay hard for the first half, and have time in the 2nd half to get ready for London.
 
Michael Scott said:
I actually think it's the right thing to do when you're a team with no shot at the postseason, especially when your starting QB is 38 years old......and trash.

I'd want the same if we were in their position. This season is already lost for them.
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Tanking is a selfish thing to do for everyone.
 
josephreese said:
I think you're right about the players, but I also think you're mistaken about tanking being a fiction created by media and fans. At some level there is a decision made to put the team in a position to have less chance of success in the short term, in order for a greater chance of success in the long term. Not every organization does it, but some certainly do.

For example, I followed the 76ers' tankapalooza for several years, and while I saw players giving effort every game, only the blind and deaf could think that organization as a whole was trying to be as successful as possible in each of those years. Will it pay off? The next few years will be interesting.

Another example is the Colts team that was bad enough to land Andrew Luck. Did that organization, top-to-bottom, put them is the best possible position for success that year? I would argue they did not. Funny thing is that while their tactic of tanking succeeded in landing Luck, it hasn't led them to the long-term success they planned. To my way of thinking, the Colts are the cautionary tale about tanking as an organizational strategy.
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The problem with the tanking philosophy is that you actually have to hit in the draft. As you just pointed out it really didn't work to well for the Colts yet. They have Luck, a couple good seasons but now Luck seems injury proned. This will be his 3rd season where he misses playing time and even last year with 15 games he played most of these games hurt.

I think the tanking perception is an explanation for fans to make sense that sometimes a team is just simply that bad and out of luck (no pun intended) when they lose games they should have won. The media just feeds that narrative. Tanking does not guarantee future success. It does not even guarantee mediocrity. All "tanking" does is increase the pressure for future success. The most successful teams have excellent scouting staff and draft good to great in the later rounds with a sensible and successful FA season. With a salary cap in place your goal should be to reload rather than rebuild. If a team drafts high a couple years in a row all these high draft picks (if they are successful) want to get paid when their rookie contracts are done. Most teams can't afford that and they start over again. Tanking puts you in a loop of misery for a long time in most cases. There will always be the exception but your odds to be successful in the near future are diminished by "tanking" a season.

I simply don't buy into the "tanking" idea because I would believe that players and coaches would realize that purposely tanking a season would hurt their own value and reputation.
 
Michael Scott said:
As much as the Jets have sucked against the run (I believe both Buffalo and Oakland racked up 180+ yards rushing) I'd really like to go vertical as much as possible against then. Don't want to burn on Ajayi early in the season with that dreadful stretch of the schedule on the horizon.

We will need him to keep Drew Brees off the field. Don't want three games of 25-28+ carries.
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Is anyone else worried that we are using Ajayi too much? The dude took, and gave out, some real punishment against the Chargers and I am a little concerned that it's gonna take it's toll. I would like to see us stay with a balanced attack and use Drake more so that we can give Ajayi a break and keep him fresh.
 
Funny quote from USA Today's power rankings:

  • 14 Dolphins (20): They're first team in NFL history to have two byes in the first three weeks of season. Yes, they're playing Jets on Sunday... but same difference.

:biggrin
 
Ren said:
Funny quote from USA Today's power rankings:

  • 14 Dolphins (20): They're first team in NFL history to have two byes in the first three weeks of season. Yes, they're playing Jets on Sunday... but same difference.

:biggrin
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HA! That is funny! However, divisional games are a different thing. Watch, the Jets will play like Superbowl champions.
 
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