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Old jokes aside, Jay Cutler is getting last laugh with Dolphins

And the crowd remembers Tanny has been on the team for 5 years in mid season game whereas Cutler was retired a month ago playing 1st game of the season.
the crowd also remembers that jays been in the league for 11 years, that's a great excuse for a guy that's been in the league that long. Kudos to you.
Let's add to that, this retirement thing you speak of. He was retired for two months, how much do you think he lost being 11 year vet.
 
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Again, comparing this matchup with the same team last year can’t ignore that it was week ten then, we had played the Patriots, Steelers, Seahawks, and Titans before meeting the Chargers and getting the win that put us at 5-4. This was our opener after an unscheduled bye week and rested starters since the third preseason game. Stop comparing to mid-season expectations.

The situation is irrelevant. I was answering the bogus claim that the offensive performance yesterday could NOT have happened with with a previous (not to be named) player at QB. The numbers demonstrate clearly that the claim was utter nonsense. In fact, it is laughable that the claim was made at all. I didn't initiate the comparison and wouldn't have brought it up if it weren't necessary to refute a nonsensical post.

I'm fine with how Cutler played. Clearly the offense performed better in week 1 this season than they did in the first 5 weeks last season. It is understandable why. If someone needed to ask Gase why the offense looked more in sync, he'd look at them like they had two heads. Another offseason in the system for 8 of 11 starters (Stills, Landry, Parker,Ajayi, Pouncey, Tunsil, James, Bushrod) and a veteran QB that already knows the system. In addition, they had well rested starters and a complete, healthy OL.
 
I believe that as the season progresses, Cutler clicks with our receivers. Gase will open up the play calling, and Cutler has a plethora of targets for that cannon arm everybody says he has.

Everybody is breathing very lightly right now.
 
Miami did play SD on the road last season also. How did Tannehill do in that game? In fact, how did the offenses compare in the two games?

Here are the numbers with last year's game being the first in each category:

Offensive points - 24 vs 19
Total yards - 337 vs 336
Average gain per play - 6.7 vs 4.9
3rd down % - 40% vs 38%
Yards passing - 240 vs 230
YPA - 10.0 vs 6.8
Passing TDs - 2 vs 1
INTs - 0 vs 0
Passer rating - 130.6 vs 101.8
Redzone Efficiency - 66% vs 0%
Yards Rushing - 106 vs 111
Yards per rush - 4.2 vs 3.5
Rushing TDs - 1 vs 0

And finally:

Passes thrown over 20 yards past the LOS:

Tannehill - 4/4 138 yds and 2 TDs
Cutler - 3/6 91 yds and 1 TD
Longest complete air distance - Tannehill 59 yards. Cutler 39 yards.

Here are some more numbers from last years game #9 against the Chargers and this years game #1 against the Chargers

RIvers game #9 last year threw 4 INT
Rivers game #1 this year threw ZERO INT

Rivers game #9 last year had 44 pass attempts
Rivers game #1 this year had 39 pass attempts

Rivers game #9 last year had 23 completions
Rivers game #1 this year had 31 completions

Rivers game #9 last year had a 52 comp%
Rivers game #1 this year had a 79 comp%

Rivers game #9 last year had a 61.4 rating
Rivers game #1 this year had a 110.6 rating

Rivers game #9 last year was sacked 3 times
Rivers game #1 this year was sacked 1 time

Rivers game #9 last year was hit 9 times
Rivers game #1 this year was hit 5 times

Rivers/Chargers game #9 last year dominated the TOP 32:59 to 27:01
RIvers/Chargers game #1 this year were dominated in the TOP 26:38 to 33:22

Miami Defense forced 4 turnovers all 4 being the INT thrown by Rivers last year
Miami Defense forced 0 turnovers this year

Why am I mentioning RIvers as opposed to RT vs JC stats?

I think that is obvious as to what I'm getting at.
Just in case its not obvious, I think its safe to say that if the Dolphins defense would have forced 4 INT in week #1 this year.
The Dolphins odds on scoring more points would have gone up dramatically.
The Dolphins also would have been even more likely to dominate the TOP even more than they did this year without having any turnovers gifted to them by the Chargers.

RT vs JC stats and some misc team stats not mentioned

RT was sacked 1 time
JC was sacked 2 times

Miami ran the ball 1 more time than they passed it in game #9 last year
Miami ran the ball 1 less time than they passed it in game #1 this year

Miami INT the ball 4 times in the 4th QTR in game #9 last year
Miami INT the ball 0 times the entire game in game #1 this year

Conclusion - Basically the Chargers imploded on offense last year and the Dolphins were aided by Rivers throwing 4 INT with one of them being a game winning pick-6. Revisionist history always gets a response from me. I get that you were trying to prove a point. In the end you were comparing apples to oranges but trying to pass it off as an equal comparison between RT performance vs JC performance. Which is a very unfair thing to do considering the 2 games were vastly different in many aspects. Not taking into account that timing of both games, the stressful upheaval the Dophins face this year. Losing their QB and bringing in a new QB with a few weeks before the season started up. Having their first game cancelled due to a hurricane and having to travel to LA many days before they normally would have had to. Losing their LB who decided to go AWOL hours before the game.

I hope you're not one of the fans that will immediately claim these are just excuses as opposed to important stats and circumstances to take into account when evaluating how the 2 games played out. After all you are attempting to push your point of view farther along with your own cherry picked stats on 2 games. While they involved the same 2 teams, that's pretty much where the similarities ended IMO.
 
Here are some more numbers from last years game #9 against the Chargers and this years game #1 against the Chargers

RIvers game #9 last year threw 4 INT
Rivers game #1 this year threw ZERO INT

Rivers game #9 last year had 44 pass attempts
Rivers game #1 this year had 39 pass attempts

Rivers game #9 last year had 23 completions
Rivers game #1 this year had 31 completions

Rivers game #9 last year had a 52 comp%
Rivers game #1 this year had a 79 comp%

Rivers game #9 last year had a 61.4 rating
Rivers game #1 this year had a 110.6 rating

Rivers game #9 last year was sacked 3 times
Rivers game #1 this year was sacked 1 time

Rivers game #9 last year was hit 9 times
Rivers game #1 this year was hit 5 times

Rivers/Chargers game #9 last year dominated the TOP 32:59 to 27:01
RIvers/Chargers game #1 this year were dominated in the TOP 26:38 to 33:22

Miami Defense forced 4 turnovers all 4 being the INT thrown by Rivers last year
Miami Defense forced 0 turnovers this year

Why am I mentioning RIvers as opposed to RT vs JC stats?

I think that is obvious as to what I'm getting at.
Just in case its not obvious, I think its safe to say that if the Dolphins defense would have forced 4 INT in week #1 this year.
The Dolphins odds on scoring more points would have gone up dramatically.
The Dolphins also would have been even more likely to dominate the TOP even more than they did this year without having any turnovers gifted to them by the Chargers.

RT vs JC stats and some misc team stats not mentioned

RT was sacked 1 time
JC was sacked 2 times

Miami ran the ball 1 more time than they passed it in game #9 last year
Miami ran the ball 1 less time than they passed it in game #1 this year

Miami INT the ball 4 times in the 4th QTR in game #9 last year
Miami INT the ball 0 times the entire game in game #1 this year

Conclusion - Basically the Chargers imploded on offense last year and the Dolphins were aided by Rivers throwing 4 INT with one of them being a game winning pick-6. Revisionist history always gets a response from me. I get that you were trying to prove a point. In the end you were comparing apples to oranges but trying to pass it off as an equal comparison between RT performance vs JC performance. Which is a very unfair thing to do considering the 2 games were vastly different in many aspects. Not taking into account that timing of both games, the stressful upheaval the Dophins face this year. Losing their QB and bringing in a new QB with a few weeks before the season started up. Having their first game cancelled due to a hurricane and having to travel to LA many days before they normally would have had to. Losing their LB who decided to go AWOL hours before the game.

I hope you're not one of the fans that will immediately claim these are just excuses as opposed to important stats and circumstances to take into account when evaluating how the 2 games played out. After all you are attempting to push your point of view farther along with your own cherry picked stats on 2 games. While they involved the same 2 teams, that's pretty much where the similarities ended IMO.


Most of your stats are either irrelevant or show the opposite of what you wanted to show. All the negative stats against Rivers are IRRELEVANT. The Chargers scored MORE points last season while holding the ball LONGER, forcing the Dolphins offense to score MORE points in LESS time. This year the Dolphins had the ball for 6 more minutes than last season and still scored fewer offensive points.

You mentioned the INTs three times, did you stop to check the number of points off turnovers scored by the Dolphins offense or the impact on the TOP? I'll save you the trouble, it was ZERO. The first INT was a touchback after a short drive by the Chargers that followed a muffed punt. Basically a swap of turnovers. The Dolphins went 3 and out on the ensuing drive. It had no impact on the Dolphins offensive scoring or the TOP. Zilch. The last INT was a desperation play and the Dolphins did the kneel down to end the game on the next play. Again, zero impact on the offensive scoring or TOP. Kiko's pick 6 had no impact of offensive scoring or TOP. Nada. That leaves Maxwell's INT. Also, no points on the ensuing drive by the Dolphins. That drive went: -9 yard run, 1 yard pass (with declined offensive PI), offensive holding (which negated a 41 yard pass to Parker, add that to Tannehill's totals if you want to play fantasy "what-if" games), 9 yard run (with a declined holding penalty), then punt. All told, less than 2 minutes of game time. No points, minus 9 yards gained, no impact on TOP.

Want to try again?
 
There have been two warnings issued in this thread, this is the 3rd. Points are now being handed out. If feel you must discuss Tannehill here, enjoy your infractions.
 
My post just above was an attempt at mediation and peacekeeping.
 
My post just above was an attempt at mediation and peacekeeping.
we have warned everyone no more Tannehill talk. stick to the Tannehill threads or PM him in the future. this goes for everyone
 
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Cutler had a great first game. His pocket presence was a breath of fresh air and he has the arm talent and knowledge to take chances knowing there is a beast on the field at WR that is healthy and hungry.

His play aided the offensive line in pass protection and the running game, except for the complete lapse by Tunsil on his blindside.

Dude was a month out of retirement and 3 weeks from any meaningful game action. This was a game on the road after being displaced for nearly two weeks.

We got the win. Maybe a little luck at the end, but who cares, it should not take away from performance by Jay and hopefully he and the offense can continue to improve on that.
 
Cutler looked good I'm anxious to see him when he opens the playbook for an entire game. Last week was for obvious reasons a conservative game plan
 
I can't believe this whole season is going to be I told you so when Cutler does well and I told you so when he does bad. Being right is so exhilarating.
 
we have warned everyone no more Tannehill talk. stick to the Tannehill threads or PM him in the future. this goes for everyone
I would prefer that the mods delete the posts that start the back and forth. It is extremely difficult the let flat out bogus posts go unchallenged.
 
Most of your stats are either irrelevant or show the opposite of what you wanted to show. All the negative stats against Rivers are IRRELEVANT. The Chargers scored MORE points last season while holding the ball LONGER, forcing the Dolphins offense to score MORE points in LESS time. This year the Dolphins had the ball for 6 more minutes than last season and still scored fewer offensive points.

You mentioned the INTs three times, did you stop to check the number of points off turnovers scored by the Dolphins offense or the impact on the TOP? I'll save you the trouble, it was ZERO. The first INT was a touchback after a short drive by the Chargers that followed a muffed punt. Basically a swap of turnovers. The Dolphins went 3 and out on the ensuing drive. It had no impact on the Dolphins offensive scoring or the TOP. Zilch. The last INT was a desperation play and the Dolphins did the kneel down to end the game on the next play. Again, zero impact on the offensive scoring or TOP. Kiko's pick 6 had no impact of offensive scoring or TOP. Nada. That leaves Maxwell's INT. Also, no points on the ensuing drive by the Dolphins. That drive went: -9 yard run, 1 yard pass (with declined offensive PI), offensive holding (which negated a 41 yard pass to Parker, add that to Tannehill's totals if you want to play fantasy "what-if" games), 9 yard run (with a declined holding penalty), then punt. All told, less than 2 minutes of game time. No points, minus 9 yards gained, no impact on TOP.

Want to try again?

I will continue this debate without referring to he who shall not be mentioned. I'm new around here and didn't know there was a problem involving that topic.

As for why my stats about Rivers were important was to help shine the light on the fact that Rivers may have thrown for 3 TD last year, he also threw 4 INT. Even having done so the Miami Dolphins still got rolled in the TOP because their offense couldn't stay on the field and sustain long drives. The Miami Dolphins this year sustained enough long drives to keep Rivers off the field on a day when he was moving the offense at will up and down the field. In other words had the Dolphins not controlled the TOP and failed in the TOP like they did last year. Rivers would have easily put up more points on them this year. Again its comparing apples to oranges when talking about the Dolphins vs Chargers in 2016 and 2017. Heck the Dolphins didn't even force a turnover this year and still dominated the TOP due in part to Cutler completing as many passes as he did. Now will he do that every week? I hope its more often than not but that remains to be seen. All I know is I was very happy with his performance everything considered.

Like I said before the only 2 things in common were the names of the teams. Other than that the 2 games were very different from each other in how they played out for a plethora of reasons.
 
I will continue this debate without referring to he who shall not be mentioned. I'm new around here and didn't know there was a problem involving that topic.

As for why my stats about Rivers were important was to help shine the light on the fact that Rivers may have thrown for 3 TD last year, he also threw 4 INT. Even having done so the Miami Dolphins still got rolled in the TOP because their offense couldn't stay on the field and sustain long drives. The Miami Dolphins this year sustained enough long drives to keep Rivers off the field on a day when he was moving the offense at will up and down the field. In other words had the Dolphins not controlled the TOP and failed in the TOP like they did last year. Rivers would have easily put up more points on them this year. Again its comparing apples to oranges when talking about the Dolphins vs Chargers in 2016 and 2017. Heck the Dolphins didn't even force a turnover this year and still dominated the TOP due in part to Cutler completing as many passes as he did. Now will he do that every week? I hope its more often than not but that remains to be seen. All I know is I was very happy with his performance everything considered.

Like I said before the only 2 things in common were the names of the teams. Other than that the 2 games were very different from each other in how they played out for a plethora of reasons.

LOL. And the majority of the players.
 
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