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Sometimes it's better to be lucky than good...

dolphinlifer said:
Sounds like bs to me, not to be rude, but the patriots dominate most games because of bb, they're never close for the most part, and Brady is nothing without BB, you see it with every qb that replaces him, they all play great, its BB and nothing else. If Gase is so great why do we barely hang around every game instead of winning outright beginning to end most of the time like BB for the past however many years? You can say playing Haire for the season is smart, but why barely win at the end when you can just crush the division every year?

Gase's play calling since he's been here has been very weak in terms of aggression and excuses, probably smart in x's and o's a lot, but it's about a lot more than x's and o's, attitude and aggression of play calling often times is much more important. BB isn't outsmarting everybody on every play, he just plays to win where everybody else plays not to lose, scared, and continually makes excuses or hides it behind haire this, bad game that, not ready yet this.

How many times do people have to see the same bs over and over again before they realize what it is? People should call Gase's crap play calling crap when it is, him playing it safe early on is smart with cutler and his first game but last seasons was safe almost every time until he was forced to play not to lose and try to win, and almost every time points went up fast, no surprise there, Gase doesn't lack smarts, just mindset. He has the whole season to change and improve, but don't be surprised if it just stays the same because most coaches are historically mostly talk.
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Because there's only one way to be great right? So, you're saying the Bill Walsh approach, which I outlined in my post you quoted, is just flat out "bs" then? Guess we will have to disagree. I happen to think the Bill Walsh approach is fantastic.

Is Bill Belichick a great coach? Sure. Does that mean he has a patent on the one and only way to be great? I don't think so. Figuring out what works and does not work against your opponents is a very important thing. Not everyone naturally (or illegally by means of taped surveillance) knows exactly what will work and not work on any given day. Using the first plays to figure that out really puts ammo in your weapon to use at strategic times during the game.

I'd love to have full and complete knowledge of every other team's plans, but I do not have it. Does Belichick? Everyone said no he didn't, until it was uncovered that he did, via taping it. Our players were screaming that the Patriots knew our every play ... turns out, our players were right. Regardless, Belichick doesn't need those questions answered for some reason, he just already knows all the answers. Sure sounds great if you can get it. But, I think he stands alone as the only coach in the NFL that always has all of those answers. The rest of them figure them out over the course of the game. I'm a believer in the Bill Walsh system of trying to figure it out early, to maximize it's effect. But hey, not everyone shares that opinion. Suggesting that every coach can be Bill Belichick ... well, that's kinda silly. If they could, they already would have done it.
 
Digital said:
Because there's only one way to be great right? So, you're saying the Bill Walsh approach, which I outlined in my post you quoted, is just flat out "bs" then? Guess we will have to disagree. I happen to think the Bill Walsh approach is fantastic.

Is Bill Belichick a great coach? Sure. Does that mean he has a patent on the one and only way to be great? I don't think so. Figuring out what works and does not work against your opponents is a very important thing. Not everyone naturally (or illegally by means of taped surveillance) knows exactly what will work and not work on any given day. Using the first plays to figure that out really puts ammo in your weapon to use at strategic times during the game.

I'd love to have full and complete knowledge of every other team's plans, but I do not have it. Does Belichick? Everyone said no he didn't, until it was uncovered that he did, via taping it. Our players were screaming that the Patriots knew our every play ... turns out, our players were right. Regardless, Belichick doesn't need those questions answered for some reason, he just already knows all the answers. Sure sounds great if you can get it. But, I think he stands alone as the only coach in the NFL that always has all of those answers. The rest of them figure them out over the course of the game. I'm a believer in the Bill Walsh system of trying to figure it out early, to maximize it's effect. But hey, not everyone shares that opinion. Suggesting that every coach can be Bill Belichick ... well, that's kinda silly. If they could, they already would have done it.
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Sorry I didn't clarify, i meant the winning close games thing, the 9ers dominated when he was around, as does bb now, they both have close games sometimes but overall they dominate. We are constantly in close games because of bad coaching, only difference is the luck between our w's and losses. Same exact thing happened with philbin and sparano, always close games no matter how bad the other team was, great teams crush bad teams, we barely get by them if we do.

I completely agree there is more than one way to be great, walsh was great at x's and o's and adapting and not so great with people I heard, so there are +'s and -'s for him also, and he got a bunch of titles. Not saying a coach has to be perfect or one way but so far all we know about Gase is he is smart x's and o's, he doesn't adapt, and makes bad decisions, gotta have more good than bad traits if you wanna be great in any form.
 
Digital said:
Because there's only one way to be great right? So, you're saying the Bill Walsh approach, which I outlined in my post you quoted, is just flat out "bs" then? Guess we will have to disagree. I happen to think the Bill Walsh approach is fantastic.

Is Bill Belichick a great coach? Sure. Does that mean he has a patent on the one and only way to be great? I don't think so. Figuring out what works and does not work against your opponents is a very important thing. Not everyone naturally (or illegally by means of taped surveillance) knows exactly what will work and not work on any given day. Using the first plays to figure that out really puts ammo in your weapon to use at strategic times during the game.

I'd love to have full and complete knowledge of every other team's plans, but I do not have it. Does Belichick? Everyone said no he didn't, until it was uncovered that he did, via taping it. Our players were screaming that the Patriots knew our every play ... turns out, our players were right. Regardless, Belichick doesn't need those questions answered for some reason, he just already knows all the answers. Sure sounds great if you can get it. But, I think he stands alone as the only coach in the NFL that always has all of those answers. The rest of them figure them out over the course of the game. I'm a believer in the Bill Walsh system of trying to figure it out early, to maximize it's effect. But hey, not everyone shares that opinion. Suggesting that every coach can be Bill Belichick ... well, that's kinda silly. If they could, they already would have done it.
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Also forgot to say i know bb only deserves prolly 2 of those rings, atlanta and seattle choked those away and bb is a giant cheat, but he does get one thing other coaches don't, his aggression allows him to dominate subpar teams all the time, with whatever qb/team he has. Could be he is just a giant cheat and that's the only reason he wins so much, very reasonable considering his past, however I tend to think its a mixture of his cheating and aggression, which other coaches just don't match, aggression I believe is the most consistent way to be great in the nfl which is why i mentioned it as such, not the only way though for sure.
 
dolphinlifer said:
Also forgot to say i know bb only deserves prolly 2 of those rings, atlanta and seattle choked those away and bb is a giant cheat, but he does get one thing other coaches don't, his aggression allows him to dominate subpar teams all the time, with whatever qb/team he has. Could be he is just a giant cheat and that's the only reason he wins so much, very reasonable considering his past, however I tend to think its a mixture of his cheating and aggression, which other coaches just don't match, aggression I believe is the most consistent way to be great in the nfl which is why i mentioned it as such, not the only way though for sure.
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I guess I'm saying that just because Belichick can do it and make it work, doesn't mean that it's the blueprint for success. There are a lot of different ways to succeed, and each coach needs to do what works for them. Even Parcells was fundamentally different than Belichick, as Parcells focused on psychological motivation and physical conditioning far more than Belichick. Parcells did not have the mind to constantly outthink his opponent, out-train the other team and out-adjust on Sunday. He wanted a game-manager QB because it limited the mistakes in his mistake-free approach. Belichick doesn't have to do that because he can out-think, out-coach and out-adjust just about everyone he faces, so he has more flexibility in his systems.

If Parcells had tried to emulate the Belichick style, Parcells would have failed. So, Parcells did the things which he was good at doing.

Likewise, Gase needs to do what Gase can do well. Look, the Patriots draft scrub low round OL ... and it works. But that's because they're flat out better OL drafters than us, and they churn roster to accumulate a lot of those low round picks and generate more volume in those rounds than we do. They also prioritize technique and power more than we do. Our prospects tend to have better measurable and be more athletic, but we have a lower success rate and significantly less picks invested in those rounds. So yeah, we cannot just do what the Patriots do and expect similar results ... we're fundamentally different.
 
DKphin said:
... because the play calling was bad and once again the defense sucked a big one. Can we please get rid of Burke and his defensive scheme?
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In 7 or 8 years when Tannenbaum has drafted all the players needed to run the defensive scheme and the front office feels they've had enough time to develop then we can properly evaluate the scheme and decide whether or not it needs to be changed.

You can't expect rookies to contribute year one in a Tannenbaum run regime. I mean Charles Harris played 32 snaps against the Jets...did anyone notice him?
 
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