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Gase: "Our offense has been garbage for 2 years"

Sorry phinatic...you answered the question already
 
Its amazing how much we miss Tannehill's scrambling and plays out of the pocket just in terms of continuing drives and building momentum. Gase is right our offense was bad for much of last year too even though we did have like 6 30 point games.
 
CaSh said:
Its amazing how much we miss Tannehill's scrambling and plays out of the pocket just in terms of continuing drives and building momentum. Gase is right our offense was bad for much of last year too even though we did have like 6 30 point games.
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We were pretty bad on 3rd down last year even with Ryan. And 2 of those 30 point games came with Moore at the helm. Another was a result of a defensive TD (S.D) and another a result of Overtime (Cleveland)
 
CaSh said:
Its amazing how much we miss Tannehill's scrambling and plays out of the pocket just in terms of continuing drives and building momentum. Gase is right our offense was bad for much of last year too even though we did have like 6 30 point games.
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It did help with establishing a rhythm on O. Keeps the D honest and cant tee off as much. But unfortunately we are without it this year whether we like it or not.

I think cutler can get a few yards with his feet if he tried. At least do it once or twice early in the game (or even late when they arent expecting it)

One play last week i saw so much space in front of him i was like GOOOOOO. lol
 
I think Gase is in need of a legitimate OC to call plays. Clyde, the guy who's there now is just a figure head and it's difficult to call the offense and manage the game at the same time. He needs someone he can trust to call plays because he's being stretched too thin.
 
Culte has strong arm. We have deep threat WR in Stills, Parker and Grant. Make use of it. It's not that complicated. Our OL is not athletic enough to run outside and make block in space for screen plays.
 
LouPhinFan said:
Maybe not wait until the 4th quarter to start throwing Parker's way?
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Agreed, but IMHO, that was Cutler deciding "Fuggit, DeVante just run far and look back around the ## yard line and I'll throw it up and you go get it .. on two, BREAK"
 
kcbrown said:
I think Ajayi's knee is actually more injured than he is letting on. He's such a beast that he probably doesn't want to whine about it.
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He showed since his rookie year that if there are no run lanes and he is constantly hit in the backfield, that he will get extra yards. But that still isn't enough to produce a run game. We need to open run lanes far more often.

Start Asiata. We can live with his rookie mistakes, but we need his physicality in the run game.
 
Hello, it's almost 2018 and there is this from 2013:

Spesh said:
Momentum can be lost with dropped passes. It can be lost by giving up sacks. It can be lost committing legitimate penalties.

This roster is just filled with "just a guy(s)" and average players. You know, average guys except for the pure **** that is the offensive line.
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Digital said:
Good questions.

Personally, I called out the OL before the game, and IMHO, that is our problem. I said that if they couldn't open up run lanes for Ajayi, it would impact our entire offense, and that was the key to the game.

We could not open up run lanes against the Jets physical front. Once again, our finesse style of OL was straight stonewalled by the big strong Jets front and their new high quality safeties. No run lanes = no run game. No run game = stifling defense on our receivers ... and a mediocre pass game.

Without a run game, we are a poor offense. IMHO, we need to put more emphasis on getting/teaching guys who have the power and technique to move DL. I was excited about Isaac Asiata for exactly this reason. But we stayed with weak guards, couldn't generate any run game, and looked like we always do against the Jets defense... underpowered.

Unless they just flat out give up or are injured accross the DL or simply make a ton of mistakes ... our scouts/coaches simply do not value having effective run blocking guards. We are solely built to beat the Patriots, which we are lucky to do even once a year, and not built to even compete with the Jets and Bills who are where we should be getting 4 division wins a year if we are smart.

Start Asiata. Live with the growing pains. Have an answer for big strong DL.
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So what has changed??? In fact, while necromacing the wayback machine, I have found this complaint for 30 odd years, in the 80's they could not run block, etc. After #13 retired, the Dolphins offensive line has, in my observation, been a dumpster fire.

BEHOLD the Glory of the fins offensive lines.

All-Pros and Pro Bowlers

Pos AP1 First-team All-Pro Years PB Pro Bowl Years
Norm Evans T 0 2 1972, 1974

Wayne Moore T 0 1 1973

Larry Little G-T 5 1971, 1972, 1973, 1974, 1975 5 1969, 1971, 1972 1973, 1974

Jim Langer C-G 4 1973, 1974, 1975, 1977 6 1973, 1974, 1975 1976, 1977, 1978

Bob Kuechenberg G-T-C 1 1978 6 1974, 1975, 1978, 1977, 1982, 1983
Ed Newman G 1 1984 4 1981, 1982, 1984 1983,

Dwight Stephenson C-T 4 1984, 1985, 1986, 1987 5 1983, 1984, 1985, 1986, 1987

Roy Foster G-T 0 2 1985, 1986

Richmond Webb T 2 1992, 1994 7 1990, 1991, 1992, 1993, 1994, 1995, 1996

Keith Sims G 0 3 1993, 1994, 995

Tim Ruddy C 0 1 2000

Richie Incognito G 0 1 2012

Mike Pouncey OL 0 3 2013, 2014, 2015

Branden Albert G 0 1 2015

Now I don't know were the rest of the league rates, but it seems The Fins were at their best when the Oline was celebrated rather then Denigrated

The Never Tolerating Incompetence VIPER

PS sorry for the quality of the chart, but I ain't VAARK
 
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Phinatic8u said:
One thing the qb is below average. OL is terrible and the WRs are overrated.

Landry adds nothing other than "fire" "heart" yet that leads to an anemic offense. Stills is a one trick pony and DVP hasn't lived up to standards yet, but his flashes are elite.

Ajayi is the teams best player on offense. He can't get going then neither can the team. Need to fix the OL once and for all.
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Even if what you said is true RT was able to put up 4k yard seasons with these guys. There is no reason we can't put forth a competent Offense with what I see.
It appears we have zero chances of gaining 1st downs when on the field which boggles my mind. Our plays must be as non threatening and predictable as any team has ever put out.
That is the problem in my eyes. Zero creativity and attack
 
Trade Viper said:
Hello, it's almost 2018 and there is this from 2013:





So what has changed??? In fact, while necromacing the wayback machine, I have found this complaint for 30 odd years, in the 80's they could not run block, etc. After #13 retired, the Dolphins offensive line has, in my observation, been a dumpster fire.

BEHOLD the Glory of the fins offensive lines.

All-Pros and Pro Bowlers

Pos AP1 First-team All-Pro Years PB Pro Bowl Years
Norm Evans T 0 2 1972, 1974

Wayne Moore T 0 1 1973

Larry Little G-T 5 1971, 1972, 1973, 1974, 1975 5 1969, 1971, 1972, 1973, 1974

Jim Langer C-G 4 1973, 1974, 1975, 1977 6 1973, 1974, 1975, 1976, 1977, 1978

Bob Kuechenberg G-T-C 1 1978 6 1974, 1975, 1977, 1978, 1982, 1983

Ed Newman G 1 1984 4 1981, 1982, 1983, 1984

Dwight Stephenson C-T 4 1984, 1985, 1986, 1987 5 1983, 1984, 1985, 1986, 1987

Roy Foster G-T 0 2 1985, 1986

Richmond Webb T 2 1992, 1994 7 1990, 1991, 1992, 1993, 1994, 1995, 1996

Keith Sims G 0 3 1993, 1994, 995

Tim Ruddy C 0 1 2000

Richie Incognito G 0 1 2012

Mike Pouncey OL 0 3 2013, 2014, 2015

Branden Albert G 0 1 2015

Now I don't know were the rest of the league rates, but it seems The Fins were at their best when the Oline was celebrated rather then Denigrated

The Never Tolerating Incompetence VIPER
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What's with people stalking my posts recently? Was a memo sent out? Did Finheaven team up with TMZ and people mistakenly believe i'm a celebrity?

The **** is going on?
 
J. David Wannyheimer said:
I don't think that screens have the same amount of value as running plays. A screen is blocked differently, and attacks a different part of the defense/is defended differently. I honestly believe that a 3 yard power run is a far more valuable play to pile up over the course of a game than a 3 yard screen pass.

I'm not talking about the three yards and a cloud of dust offense here, incidentally. I hate that stuff, too. But we saw our offense last season have some pretty fun and exciting games when we followed that formula of Ajayi + deep passing and managed to execute it well. I would hope that we can get back to that.

Now, I agree with you that screens are something that can slow the opposing pass rush, but there are other ways to slow the pass rush. I understand that Cutler and the team might not be capable of running the hurry up right now, but as others have said many times (hi, hoops!) tempo has proved time and again to be a way to slow down the pass rush. We've seen this especially in the performance of our Dolphins in the 2 minute drill in recent years.

I think that if we cut back on the number of screen pass plays we call (currently about 7-8% of our called plays), and replace those with runs, we would see better results over the course of the game.

Incidentally, this is one reason why we needed to invest in another running back. I like Damien Williams as a receiving threat, but I don't think he is the real solution as a guy to spell Jay Ajayi.
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Good points!

A screen is blocked passively until the catch. A running play allows the OL to be the aggressors and punish the DL's and LB's physically. Do enough of that and it adds up.

That's where you get the 4th quarter of exhausted and bruised defenders unable to stop those lomg runs. Thats when it becomes much easier to sit on a lead and kill off a game.

But that Jets DL is no joke. Laugh if you like, but they have some big strong quick and talented guys. Our finesse blocking hasn't really worked well against them typically. These are the type of games where we need guys who have some power too ... like Isaac Asiata.

No run lanes means No run game. No run game means problems in the passing game. That's a DC's usual recipe for stopping almost every offense. And we played right into their hands.

Maybe it's time we tried some guards with physical strength and good technique with which to use it?
 
Danny said:
how did he do in the run game? It looked to me that each time they tried running right Ajayi was getting hit behind the LOS

Ozzy rules!!
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Great question. Sure, the pass pro is important, and he should be lauded for his pass pro thus far. But it's very hard to be a good offense in this league if everyone knows you cannot run the ball.
 
royalshank said:
Ummm. Did he throw the whole O under the bus or himself?
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I think it's the players. He did say that he would find people who wanted to do it right and theybwoukd play.

Don't be surprised to see benches stars and new starters vs. The Saints. He wasn't talking about the defenders, but definitely the offense. Tunsil, Steen, I don't really know who all it is ... But changes are coming.
 
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