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Cutler vs. Tannehill Season-Long Comparison Thread

It's true that Cutler threw a couple of worm burners yesterday, but I don't think that invalidates criticism of the receivers for drops. Most NFL quarterbacks throw a couple of worm burners in every game.

We've been spoiled.
 
I hope gase works with him on his footwork. He threw a lot of passes off his back foot yesterday. Some due to pressure, but not all of them.
 
J. David Wannyheimer said:
It's true that Cutler threw a couple of worm burners yesterday, but I don't think that invalidates criticism of the receivers for drops. Most NFL quarterbacks throw a couple of worm burners in every game.

We've been spoiled.
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agree about the spoiled part.
if they were bread basket drops, I would agree about the criticism, but catching balls from their knees down constantly is not going to happen.
that also puts your receiver in the worst position possible for contact.
 
NorthernFin said:
I hope gase works with him on his footwork. He threw a lot of passes off his back foot yesterday. Some due to pressure, but not all of them.
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That's what he has done his entire career and as a 15 year vet? He isn't gonna change
 
lurking said:
LOL at you defending Cutler.
Listen to you, you're bitching about dropped balls. What about the 30+bounce passes.
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Actually I'm not bitching about drops, I'm doing quite the opposite. I clearly stated that we should take stats as they are because things happen that will help your stats, and things happen that will hurt them. Then you went on to try to improve Tannys stats with context, only focusing on the bad breaks, so I did the same for Cutler after you said I couldn't produce any context that would improve his stats. Which I clearly did by showing a terrible drop stat that is verifiably true. Not sure where your irrational hate comes from, but doesn't mean you can make stuff up.
 
J. David Wannyheimer said:
I don't think that Cutler being 'retired' mattered too much.

I think the shoulder injury he suffered last year has probably had more of an impact on his loss of velocity on some throws.
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Hard to say, but the velocity does look noticably down. I think that might also be due to the high number of throws off his back foot. He's always had a tendency to do that, but nothing like the rate this year.

But the surgery and being retired go hand in hand. He wasn't receiving world class treatment on the shoulder for months like he should have been. That's why I'm hoping it will improve, but only time will tell.
 
NBP81 said:
You don't need to use statistics to compare both QBs right now. Cutler's mechanics are sloppy as hell, there is nothing precise in the way he plays QB. What that amounts to is timing deficiencies throughout the offense. The ball is seldom there at the same time for the WRs to catch, it's never thrown the same way. Sure pocket presence, but what is it good for if it mostly amounts to incompletes and interceptions? People talk about a higher ceiling when talking about Jay, and it's true to some extent, the gambling aspect of his game will sometimes create crazy performances, when everything goes right for him. What you have to account for is the floor, Jay's floor is very low.
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Cutler's mechanics look terrible, but so did Tannys pocket prescene for his entire career until those last 8 games (which even then it still wasn't great). So even without statistics I think you can make a case for either QB.
 
Jimi said:
Cutler's mechanics look terrible, but so did Tannys pocket prescene for his entire career until those last 8 games (which even then it still wasn't great). So even without statistics I think you can make a case for either QB.
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In your opinion, how does pocket presence, alone, affect the whole offense throughout the game? One sack a game? For Tannehill. What about Cutler? What have we gained, from Cutler's superior pocket presence?

Reality is, I'll take Tannehill's consistency, across the board from throwing mechanics all the way to risk management over Cutler's gun slinger, all over the place throwing platform and superior pocket presence. Because the bottom line is, the net profit of those nifty shifts in the pocket mostly still end up in below average results...
 
I don’t understand how this thread got so long. This comparison should never even be made. Cutler is only the starter because of Tannehills injury. Everyone and their grandma knows when Tannehill is all healed up he’s the starter. There’s no comparison they’re 2 totally different QBs.
 
NBP81 said:
In your opinion, how does pocket presence, alone, affect the whole offense throughout the game? One sack a game? For Tannehill. What about Cutler? What have we gained, from Cutler's superior pocket presence?

Reality is, I'll take Tannehill's consistency, across the board from throwing mechanics all the way to risk management over Cutler's gun slinger, all over the place throwing platform and superior pocket presence. Because the bottom line is, the net profit of those nifty shifts in the pocket mostly still end up in below average results...
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Pocket prescense is one of the most important attributes for a QB in my opinion. It leads to far less sacks which puts your team in those 2nd and 16, 3rd and 12 etc type positions. It leads to less fumbles. It leads to more completions. It can change the entire game. I really don't think that should even be arguable that pocket prescsne is extremely important.

Well right now, it's kind of the opposite of what you said. Through 5 games last year, Tanny was putting up a lot more yards and TDs than Cutler, but also a lot more turnovers. We can't compare Jay's full season to tannys until it's done.
 
Jimi said:
Pocket prescense is one of the most important attributes for a QB in my opinion. It leads to far less sacks which puts your team in those 2nd and 16, 3rd and 12 etc type positions. It leads to less fumbles. It leads to more completions. It can change the entire game. I really don't think that should even be arguable that pocket prescsne is extremely important.

Well right now, it's kind of the opposite of what you said. Through 5 games last year, Tanny was putting up a lot more yards and TDs than Cutler, but also a lot more turnovers. We can't compare Jay's full season to tannys until it's done.
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Last years first five games for Tannehill 75 94 94 80 62
This year first five games for Cutler 101 70 70 52 76

Tannehill's performance from one game to the next is more compact, he's more consistent because he has a systematic approach to the game. Jay Cutler is all over the place, this makes it harder for the offense to be in sync, especially when it comes to timing concepts...

I know its just a 5 games sample... But if you graph their career numbers, its rather obvious that Tannehill has alot less variance to his game than Cutler, which is desirable for an offense as a whole, provided that the mean is good obviously...
 
Jimi said:
Actually I'm not bitching about drops, I'm doing quite the opposite. I clearly stated that we should take stats as they are because things happen that will help your stats, and things happen that will hurt them. Then you went on to try to improve Tannys stats with context, only focusing on the bad breaks, so I did the same for Cutler after you said I couldn't produce any context that would improve his stats. Which I clearly did by showing a terrible drop stat that is verifiably true. Not sure where your irrational hate comes from, but doesn't mean you can make stuff up.
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lets not put the horse before the cart.
you had this response to a post, Tanny had 7 INTs and 2 lost fumbles through 5 games last year. Please tell me more about the consistency.
and I said,Four of those INT's were from him being hit while throwing.
you said. We could go back and make any QBs stats look better with context. The general idea when using stats is that those kind of things tend to equal out over time.
where the F__K did I try to improve tannys stats, and where the F__K did I make something up.
you can't even get the sequence of events right.
 
lurking said:
lets not put the horse before the cart.
you had this response to a post, Tanny had 7 INTs and 2 lost fumbles through 5 games last year. Please tell me more about the consistency.
and I said,Four of those INT's were from him being hit while throwing.
you said. We could go back and make any QBs stats look better with context. The general idea when using stats is that those kind of things tend to equal out over time.
where the F__K did I try to improve tannys stats, and where the F__K did I make something up.
you can't even get the sequence of events right.
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Uh, you are using that phrase wrong on multiple levels for starters lol.

You tried to improve Tannys stats by justifying some of his INTs... So I did the same by justifying some of Jay's incompletions and lack of yards. This isn't difficult...

You made up me bitching about something, which I just explained for the second time now, as not doing that at all.
 
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