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Give Carroo a chance

"Give him a chance to prove himself"
"Give him a shot"

Isn't that what the off-season is for? If he can't make the coaches take notice in the off-season, I'm not sure I want him taking up precious minutes during the season.

If he wants the opportunity to get significant game time, he's got to earn it in the off season and practice. Opportunity is earned, not given.
 
Gase sees what goes on in practice. I'll trust him to see how many plays Caroo gets. Grant is like the little receivers who do a lot. Sort of the Welker type. Small, fast, agile.
 
FSU asks a good question. However, your statement is false. How do you explain Grant getting more snaps on offense? What has Grant done?

How do you say my statement is false when he says drake makes big plays when he gets a chance? Not to mention all the other players I mentioned, I really hate when people cherry pick parts of a post to try to give their response any merit where if you quoted that whole post it has none. Same garbage media does to try to create drama with players or fix stories. Gase can't/couldn't see how blatantly good Ajayi/drake/stills have been and can't see how bad thomas/turner/cutler/thomas have been, the guy cannot recognize talent even when its so blatant as AJayi. The only reason Ajayi got pt is because he carried Gase so much that he realized its the only way his offense could run. Gase never plays people unless they just straight carry him or he is forced to through injury.

Grant and Caroo get what 5 combined plays a game now and before it was maybe 1 or 2 combined? Whenever I've seen Caroo he does good, but I don't care if you're the best player ever, you're not going to do anything unless your actually given consistent chances to succeed. Every time you hear about grant its wow this guy is crazy talented and makes things happen, so what does gase do, never uses him. Or stills the best long td guy in the league, doesn't throw any long passes. How long did it take for Gase to start throwing to parker more than twice a game? A year something? Gase has no imagination and throws seemingly 80% to Landry or the same exact plays every series, its so Philbinesque its scary. If you have no imagination, never gonna be able to use a supposed guru mind, no guts to play young players or throw it longer than 10 yards, gonna be limited to a small playbook. Takes a lot more than x's and o's to be a guru and so far I've seen none of that from Gase. Never seen an offense so talented achieve so little over 5 games and I never thought it could get worse than Philbin, but somehow it has until that last half.

How many times have we seen our "bad" or "average" players play here become good to great elsewhere?

Only thing I'm bias against is people who are just bs driven for whatever reason, why is it so hard to just let it be what it is? Do we need to build up another Philbin or Sparano and watch him crash so hard because we didn't suffer enough the first two times? Was the last 8 years of suffering through horrible mediocrity not enough for a franchise that was shortly ago the most dominant one? This organization has a much higher standard to uphold than the garbage we have been forced to put up with for almost 20 years now. Everybody knows I loved Campbell as HC because he recognized obvious things right away and players followed that, he knew right away Ajayi was amazing, but if Campbell was pulling the same bs I'd call him on it too.

I don't dislike coaches, I dislike bs, and so much more often than not, it seems to come from the coaches here, gets so tiring to see it over and over and over again and people not recognize it and fans than wonder why we're losing every year? It was never a question of why, people just didn't like the answer.

Another 30 years of this and we're the browns 2.0. I don't want that, I want my teams name to mean something again. Granted its just sports and a ball and a score. However, sports are much more than sports, they're how people showcase the human spirit, and what could be more important than doing that?
 
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Give him a chance? He's on the roster, so he has his chance. It's up to him to produce now, no one else. He gets what he makes of it just like everyone else.
 
How do you say my statement is false when he says drake makes big plays when he gets a chance?

I dislike bs
You must like yourself very much then. I already posted that Drake has 7 total touches for 10 yards on offense. Where are the big plays?
 
How do you say my statement is false when he says drake makes big plays when he gets a chance? Not to mention all the other players I mentioned, I really hate when people cherry pick parts of a post to try to give their response any merit where if you quoted that whole post it has none. Same garbage media does to try to create drama with players or fix stories. Gase can't/couldn't see how blatantly good Ajayi/drake/stills have been and can't see how bad thomas/turner/cutler/thomas have been, the guy cannot recognize talent even when its so blatant as AJayi. The only reason Ajayi got pt is because he carried Gase so much that he realized its the only way his offense could run. Gase never plays people unless they just straight carry him or he is forced to through injury.

Grant and Caroo get what 5 combined plays a game now and before it was maybe 1 or 2 combined? Whenever I've seen Caroo he does good, but I don't care if you're the best player ever, you're not going to do anything unless your actually given consistent chances to succeed. Every time you hear about grant its wow this guy is crazy talented and makes things happen, so what does gase do, never uses him. Or stills the best long td guy in the league, doesn't throw any long passes. How long did it take for Gase to start throwing to parker more than twice a game? A year something? Gase has no imagination and throws seemingly 80% to Landry or the same exact plays every series, its so Philbinesque its scary. If you have no imagination, never gonna be able to use a supposed guru mind, no guts to play young players or throw it longer than 10 yards, gonna be limited to a small playbook. Takes a lot more than x's and o's to be a guru and so far I've seen none of that from Gase. Never seen an offense so talented achieve so little over 5 games and I never thought it could get worse than Philbin, but somehow it has until that last half.

How many times have we seen our "bad" or "average" players play here become good to great elsewhere?

Only thing I'm bias against is people who are just bs driven for whatever reason, why is it so hard to just let it be what it is? Do we need to build up another Philbin or Sparano and watch him crash so hard because we didn't suffer enough the first two times? Was the last 8 years of suffering through horrible mediocrity not enough for a franchise that was shortly ago the most dominant one? This organization has a much higher standard to uphold than the garbage we have been forced to put up with for almost 20 years now. Everybody knows I loved Campbell as HC because he recognized obvious things right away and players followed that, he knew right away Ajayi was amazing, but if Campbell was pulling the same bs I'd call him on it too.

I don't dislike coaches, I dislike bs, and so much more often than not, it seems to come from the coaches here, gets so tiring to see it over and over and over again and people not recognize it and fans than wonder why we're losing every year? It was never a question of why, people just didn't like the answer.

Another 30 years of this and we're the browns 2.0. I don't want that, I want my teams name to mean something again. Granted its just sports and a ball and a score. However, sports are much more than sports, they're how people showcase the human spirit, and what could be more important than doing that?

When you say "...he says drake makes big plays when he gets a chance? " Who are you talking about? Gase? Frankly, that is just coach-speak. They almost always talk up their players.

Are you talking about plays these guys made in the preseason? Against 3rd stringers and camp fodder?

When coaches determine who to keep on a roster they ask what the player does for the team and can other players do that job at the same level. If another player can do the job at the same level or close to it, they ask, "How much is this player costing us?" If a guy can do the same job for cheaper, generally a team stays with the cheaper option so that they can use the money to upgrade other positions.

So let me ask you this, is Kenyan Drake a better RB than Jay Ajayi? Is he better than Damien Williams? The coaches have the benefit of watching them in practice, they know where guys should be ranked based on what they have seen. So who do you take touches away from to let the player prove himself? (He can prove himself in practice of course) When you get snaps on game day, you need to capitalize on them. Sure it may only be one or two, but that is how you prove yourself in the NFL. Not just on the Fins, but the whole NFL.

Then we are fans, also lack the benefit of having the playbook in front of us. While we have a general idea of what is being run, we dont know what the player's assignments are on a particular play. We don't know for sure if the player is running the proper route. Screwing these things up guarantees you're not going to get many touches until the coaching staff is certain you are listening to the same song as the rest of the team.

You can say the same for Caroo or Grant, or whoever you want.

If you want to see more of these guys they need to practice. Not until they get it right, but until the CAN'T get it wrong. The results will show on gameday.

Another issue is that our offense has struggled tremendously this season. We need to get it fixed before throwing too many variables into the equation. Once the offense starts humming and we can get out to a comfortable lead on teams, we will see more reps from our back-ups.
 
I'd give Drake more touches for the simple reason that he's shown an ability to break long scores, and our offense sucks ass.
 
You must like yourself very much then. I already posted that Drake has 7 total touches for 10 yards on offense. Where are the big plays?

Weak attempt at an insult, and I already said look at all of his career, not just tiny nonsense of 7 attempts in 5 games.... seriously??? Guy has a 37 carries for 4.9 ypc avg, yep he sucks, that couldn't be a perfect example that Gase doesn't use his talent or anything.
 
When you say "...he says drake makes big plays when he gets a chance? " Who are you talking about? Gase? Frankly, that is just coach-speak. They almost always talk up their players.

Are you talking about plays these guys made in the preseason? Against 3rd stringers and camp fodder?

When coaches determine who to keep on a roster they ask what the player does for the team and can other players do that job at the same level. If another player can do the job at the same level or close to it, they ask, "How much is this player costing us?" If a guy can do the same job for cheaper, generally a team stays with the cheaper option so that they can use the money to upgrade other positions.

So let me ask you this, is Kenyan Drake a better RB than Jay Ajayi? Is he better than Damien Williams? The coaches have the benefit of watching them in practice, they know where guys should be ranked based on what they have seen. So who do you take touches away from to let the player prove himself? (He can prove himself in practice of course) When you get snaps on game day, you need to capitalize on them. Sure it may only be one or two, but that is how you prove yourself in the NFL. Not just on the Fins, but the whole NFL.

Then we are fans, also lack the benefit of having the playbook in front of us. While we have a general idea of what is being run, we dont know what the player's assignments are on a particular play. We don't know for sure if the player is running the proper route. Screwing these things up guarantees you're not going to get many touches until the coaching staff is certain you are listening to the same song as the rest of the team.

You can say the same for Caroo or Grant, or whoever you want.

If you want to see more of these guys they need to practice. Not until they get it right, but until the CAN'T get it wrong. The results will show on gameday.

Another issue is that our offense has struggled tremendously this season. We need to get it fixed before throwing too many variables into the equation. Once the offense starts humming and we can get out to a comfortable lead on teams, we will see more reps from our back-ups.

No i was responding to what FSU Truth said, they can't do anything positive if they never get the chance. And one or two attempts a game doesn't count as a chance, that counts as an insult to the player and speaks to Gase's lack of imagination. Yes drake needs to take some carries off ajayi, so does williams, Gase needs to call much more versatile plays, can't just call the same play to the same player every time. Makes it easy for the defense and ajayi will eventually tire out. The problem is Gase's play calling, he calls the same plays to the same guys practically every series, gotta open it up and spread it out if you want a good offense, which includes using more than just two players.
 
Carroo and Grant made some good plays as WRs in pre-season but nothing so far in real action. Shame as that little practice squad guy from atlanta basically caught a bomb for a TD in his first game. That's making the most of the chance you get. Carroo and Grant need to make some plays when their number is called. Grant almost did two weeks back. Carroo has one go up in the air off of his hands. Doesn't matter the circumstances- need to make a play. As for Drake, he's already shown he can play. Big TD run last year and KO return for TD. He'd get some more touches if our offense could muster a freakin first down.
 
"Give him a chance to prove himself"
"Give him a shot"

Isn't that what the off-season is for? If he can't make the coaches take notice in the off-season, I'm not sure I want him taking up precious minutes during the season.

If he wants the opportunity to get significant game time, he's got to earn it in the off season and practice. Opportunity is earned, not given.

In theory and common sense logic you are correct sir. In the world of Miami Dolphins though, opportunity is given when you are sitting practicing your broadcasting skills and have 10 million throw into your lap to be GIVEN the starting job. /endCulterrant

On topic though, depending on how rest of season goes and how offseason/camps go with if Parker steps up rest of this season, if Landry is still a Dolphin, etc.. Carroo has a chance to really step into his role in year 3. If there is a battle for a open spot or even just fact that he really wants to be on the field, offseason work ethic and preseason games are the time to show he is ready to earn that spot. If he can't compete at high level against second stringers in preseason games in year 3, it is time to cut the cord and thank him for collecting checks written out by the Miami Dolphins.
 
Congrats kid caroo you earned the top grade tonight.

Bottom grade that sorry ass punter of ours. Cut him please
 
See what happens when you actually give guys chances? I thought carroo played well in the 3 snaps i saw of him ever, gets a chance and does quite well considering how badly everything else went. I think that was the only period in the game where everybody didn't know every play. It seems like whenever guys get chances that you think are talented they do well or gase berates them so much for making one mistake even if they play great for one year like drake that they turn into drake now, with zero confidence. It's not a surprise that a lot of the non star talent seem to play on their heels, most likely scared gase is going to take their job if they make one mistake. I know I'd be scared of the same if i had a family to pay for and not a reliable paycheck in the future because I never get a chance to prove myself.

Gase is either an actual genius who has no sense of reality or feel for the game or as smart as our scores say he is. Certainly can't blame an offense with this much talent despite the fact the ol has been sub par because its obvious his play calling is the main problem.

When you have bad results no matter who your chess pieces are especially when you have plenty more chess pieces than a lot of other chess players, you're a bad chess player. Most of the time in chess if you're up major pieces and they only have pawns instead, you're considered at a huge advantage, it seems gase can't play chess that way or any way so far.

He's a much better mathematician than a play caller.
 
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Well it's nice to know Carroo can catch a ball when left wide open. I wouldn't say he did anything particularly impressive but it's good for his confidence to have a solid game for once.
 
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