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2018 FIFA Worldcup without US, Italy and Chile.

Meh NI prob wont make it in either if we get a nasty playoff draw -_-

Would love to see us qualify just once in my life. We used to be really good a few decades ago, but that was before my time

Sure wish we only had to play the likes of Canada and Trinidad to qualify!
 
I don't think he lost the team. His dismissal was all political. They had been waiting for the right time to get rid of him and the Costa Rica game provided that fuel. He clearly had the best vision for U.S. Soccer and its future but the heads of U.S. soccer never saw eye to eye with him. They want to show off their billion dollar investment in MLS and its players over Klinsman's love for Euro league players.

Take Fabian Johnson being left off this squad for example. Who cares if he hasn't logged a ton of minutes at Gladbach this season, fact is he goes up against superiors players on a daily basis and takes part in superior practices. Not to mention his versatility and ability on free kicks. They rather start Villifana and Arriola, and feed us Felhaber and Zusi . . . Its a damn joke.

Bradley never moves the ball forward. I'm sorry man. Too many giveaways, too many backwards passes, etc. For somebody trying to do too much he gets very little accomplished. The fact that he has been allowed to roam the middle of that team for so long is the perfect example of why this U.S. team is so mediocre.

The whole system needs to be gutted and the U.S. needs to open the pocketbook up and get a true visionary from Europe to evaluate how we train and how we run our field system. Too many five star athletes in this country that get passed over because of soccer politics. We need a coach who has had success on the big stage and isn't so close to the MLS and the US soccer cronies. Bringing back Arena was a slap in the face to the entire fanbase.

Like I said if this result leads to the proper changes then it will be well worth it.

But I have my doubts that anything changes.
Completely agree that Klinsmann's long-term vision was the right one, or at least on the right track. But as a manager, his constant bizarre lineup and formation revisions were a very poor fit with the current crop of (entitled) players. I think they were basically confused, disoriented and pretty much demotivated. And I have no doubt that if Klinsmann continued at the helm, their record in the Hex would've been even worse...

...Although you're right, at least he would've played Johnson. But let's face it, Arena wanted to play with "his guys", doing it "his way" to prove he was still the man - classic case of ego triumphing over common sense. I mean picking Feilhaber over Johnson? Omar Gonzalez over Geoff Cameron? Just dumb.

Ultimately though, just another example of how ego and money rules U.S. Soccer. And while it's possible this setback becomes a catalyst for a complete teardown/rebuild, I think it's equally possible it could result in a big drop in public interest and revenue/funding for US Soccer, the MLS, developmental programs/participation, etc. Or maybe both will happen.
 
Sure wish we only had to play the likes of Canada and Trinidad to qualify!
We (Canada) didn't make the Hex. So they had to play tough teams like Panama and Honduras to qualify. Just want to clarify that.
 
Completely agree that Klinsmann's long-term vision was the right one, or at least on the right track. But as a manager, his constant bizarre lineup and formation revisions were a very poor fit with the current crop of (entitled) players. I think they were basically confused, disoriented and pretty much demotivated. And I have no doubt that if Klinsmann continued at the helm, their record in the Hex would've been even worse...

...Although you're right, at least he would've played Johnson. But let's face it, Arena wanted to play with "his guys", doing it "his way" to prove he was still the man - classic case of ego triumphing over common sense. I mean picking Feilhaber over Johnson? Omar Gonzalez over Geoff Cameron? Just dumb.

Ultimately though, just another example of how ego and money rules U.S. Soccer. And while it's possible this setback becomes a catalyst for a complete teardown/rebuild, I think it's equally possible it could result in a big drop in public interest and revenue/funding for US Soccer, the MLS, developmental programs/participation, etc. Or maybe both will happen.

Klinsmann is a "coach" for the short term and get a soccer program boosted. He made a lot of changes in Germany which have provided successful soccer on a national level. But to use the basis created you need a coach. Loew was the man for Germany. He took the program to the next level. Most people say that he was the 'real' coach during the miracle summer of 06 anyways.

The US should have implemented Klinsmann's changes and then should have moved on with an internationally experienced coach who would give this team an identity. They held on to Klinsmann too long and then replaced him with Arena who is more famous for his arrogant snotty attitude. The National team has no identity. It is a program with no direction.

In regards to Panama: Even with a Panama win the US could have moved on. Take care of your own business first. A team losing to T&T has no business in the WC. You may have an argument if that 'goal' would have been allowed for T&T and it would have had a direct effect on the US chances (kinda like France). But the US had their destiny in their own hands.
 
Just saw this thread but this cycle was a disaster as Jurgen really alienated the MLS players and the internatiinal players. Then when Bruce came in he didnt try to bridge that gap. Bruce also didnt do a good job of bringing in a much needed influx of talebt.

Gulati needs gone, and the US needs someone as coach that wont make the pool into an MLS vs the World issue
 
Just saw this thread but this cycle was a disaster as Jurgen really alienated the MLS players and the internatiinal players. Then when Bruce came in he didnt try to bridge that gap. Bruce also didnt do a good job of bringing in a much needed influx of talebt.

Gulati needs gone, and the US needs someone as coach that wont make the pool into an MLS vs the World issue
I agree. Like I said: Klinsmann is a real short term solution with the purpose of reorganizing the outside surrounding the national team and wave the pom-poms for some new excitement. Tactical he is a loser, When he was coach at Bayern Munich the players literally coached themselves. Klinsmann contribution was limited to cheer leading "go get them boys". :roflmao

Going back to Arena was a major mistake. Since the US does not have the foundation like other soccer nations and does not have coaches with international pedigree they have to look outside.
No way around it.

I don't know why Gulati was elected in the first place much less re-elected. The guy has no clue about soccer and with all due respect India is known more for cricket than soccer.
 
Now the good news is we have a lot of good toung prospects. Another issue wad the lack of good pkayers after 89 and before 95. There were some but not a lot. The refusal to move on from Howard/Guzan was an issue too.

Sucks short term and it also sucks that it took this to force change. Let me reiterate i think the US talent pool is as good as its ever been i just think our last too ciaches have been very narrow minded in who they select. This isnt a huge rebuild but a chsnge in philosphy is needed.

Claudio Reyna said it best when he said we were too arrogant. I think that goes for both players and coach
 
Now the good news is we have a lot of good toung prospects. Another issue wad the lack of good pkayers after 89 and before 95. There were some but not a lot. The refusal to move on from Howard/Guzan was an issue too.

Sucks short term and it also sucks that it took this to force change. Let me reiterate i think the US talent pool is as good as its ever been i just think our last too ciaches have been very narrow minded in who they select. This isnt a huge rebuild but a chsnge in philosphy is needed.

Claudio Reyna said it best when he said we were too arrogant. I think that goes for both players and coach

I wouldn't mind seeing him in some function with US Soccer. Maybe a GM-type position like Bierhoff for the German National Team.
 
Just not fair to throw Italy and Chile in the same boat as the U.S. Qualifying in Europe and South America is much tougher than CONCACAF.

Italy finished 2nd to Spain, 5 points back and lost the 2nd place qualifiers to Sweden, who finished 2nd, 4 points behind France.

We all know CONMEBOL is as tough as any qualification group in the world. Chile not being in the WC is surprising but not unreasonable

The U.S. not being there is inexcusable.

U.S. lost to Trinidad and Tobago with qualification on the line, finished behind both Panama and Honduras, and lost home games to Mexico and Costa Rica.

Still embarrasing to type.
 
Italy are a mess but its not even in the same universe as the US not getting out a weak America group
 
Just not fair to throw Italy and Chile in the same boat as the U.S. Qualifying in Europe and South America is much tougher than CONCACAF.

Italy finished 2nd to Spain, 5 points back and lost the 2nd place qualifiers to Sweden, who finished 2nd, 4 points behind France.

We all know CONMEBOL is as tough as any qualification group in the world. Chile not being in the WC is surprising but not unreasonable

The U.S. not being there is inexcusable.

U.S. lost to Trinidad and Tobago with qualification on the line, finished behind both Panama and Honduras, and lost home games to Mexico and Costa Rica.

Still embarrasing to type.

Italy are a mess but its not even in the same universe as the US not getting out a weak America group

WTF? Where did I compare them? Good lord.

Oh yeah, Ireland stays home as well. (Don't want to compare Ireland to Italy though).
 
Didnt know the republic got knocked out aswell. Beat 1-5 at home by Denmark? That is hilarious
 
there are some similarities with the US and Italy failing... and even the Netherlands but they are apples to oranges comparisons. All 3 kind of needed this to change culture.

Now that being said I do think the youth players who are going to be introduced in the next 4 years are pretty damn good. We all know about Pulisic, but you also have Weston McKinney, Tyler Adams.and Cameron Carter-Vickers who are all very top notch prospects. You also have guys in their early to mid 20's like Deandre Yedlin, John Brooks, Bobby Wood, Jordan Morris, Kellyn Accosta, and Paul Arriola who are becoming regulars and then guys like Kenny Saief, Christian Roldan, Dom Dwyer, Matt Miazga, Lynden Gooch, and Kelyn Rowe who could/should be regulars.

Also there are youth prospects that are getting some hype. Josh Sargeant had a great u-17 and u-20 World Cup and signed with Werder Bremen. Ayo Akinola is on trial with PSV and impressing. Andrew Carleton and Tim Weah (George's son) were named 2 of the top 60 prospects in the world. Now obviously doesn't mean much but we've got people making noise as youth prospects who are breaking into first teams and looking good.

We just need to make a smart hire. As much as I'd love David Wagner not happening, so it should be Greg Berhalter, Caleb Porter, or Jason Kreis in all honesty
 
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