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Adam Gase on Matt Moore.

thefieds said:
This is the only way Gase could save face for his $10mm mistake. The difference in the offense was night and day once moore came in. If they pick up where the left off Thursday it should be Moore's job to lose. Cutler doesn't know the offense well enough and doesn't keep his eyes downfield out of fear of getting crushed.
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Until Moore throws that bone head interception then people will call for him to be pulled.
 
Avigatorx said:
Maybe that is what we need?

Look, no one likes turnovers, but if the resulting offense is one that plays so scared that we never take chances with the ball, then we get the garbage that we have been seeing all season.

Take more risks, push the ball downfield. Yes, we will have turnovers, but we will also have many more scoring opportunities that will let us overcome those turnovers. But it will also soften up defenses and allow us to pound the ball on the ground as well.

If we stick with this scared brand of football we have been playing we are way too easy to gameplan against, and shut down.
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I'm all about throwing caution in the wind.. but playing that brand of football is going to create turnovers.. which, as long as points aren't gained from said turnovers, then air it out...

Now, inevitably, those turnovers will lead to points for the opposing team. So now, we're looking at "make something happen" while having to play catch up. Now the defense can add that extra corner/safety and have the dline pin their ears back.

Live by the gun, die by the gun.

Check downs and throw aways aren't sexy.. but they also limit exposure.

I assume gase is fully aware of Cutler's limitations.. but he also knows Cutler will more likely take the safer play.

It's easy for us to say/scream "play with some balls" or "make something happen"...

However, it's easier to play call a win if you're tied or within 7 or 10 points because you still have most the playbook to work with. Go down by 2 or 3 TD's and you can throw the majority of the run calls out and eliminate our most potent player on offense.

Cutler hasn't been great, good or decent. He's been mediocre/boring.. BUT, he hasnt made too many head scratching plays which awarded the opponent points.
 
He’s incredibly stubborn. And he hates the media and fans who chanted for Moore. He will never want to admit Moore gives us a much better chance to win than Cutler because of that.
 
Cutler was statistically better than Moore today if you want to get technical. Because we were behind 14 points, Gase was calling a completely different game the last quarter of the game. For almost seven quarters Gase leaned too hard on running between the tackles against the Jets. Plays right into their strength (the DTs) When Gase started being aggressive with the passing game, is when we started having success against them. I am not a fan of signing Cutler. IMHO Cutler=Moore when it comes to competancy, and I'd have rather just rolled into the season with Moore and saved the cash. Said as much when we signed Cutler and a ton of people on here disagreed with me. That said, I think a lot of the criticism of Cutler is unwarranted. Our o-line has been mediocre to bad, we have averaged over 5 drops a game (tops in the league), and I think the play calling has not been great a good portion of the season. I also think having our starting QB only step in the facility halfway through training camp, and all the hurricane and travel BS has really hampered the development of the offense. None of which is Jay Cutler's fault. Or Gase's, where it probably has limited his playcalling. I really think the Cutler has a bad attitude thing is WAY overplayed. A but of mob mentality going on here. I'm fine rolling with Moore. And the guy deserves all the love for today's comeback. I mean. how can you not root for the man???? Such a gamer, even if he does have limitations. But why bag on Cutler so much when he started the year in a huge hole? He finished today scoring 14 points in a bit over a half of play, completing 75% of his passes, with two TD's. He had one really bad throw (the pick), but without his pretty good first half play we don't win either.
 
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OneYardShort said:
Matt Moore is great to come in and save the day here and there.. but the second he is game planned against, typically, it's gonna be a long day.. he can't read defenses. Simple as that. As much as many don't like it, when Cutler is throwing it away, it's usually the right decision. Where as Moore will try to make something happen..
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Your post would be valid except that when Moore had an extended stint starting he didn't play that poorly. And it's idiotic to act like Cutler can't be gameplanned against, or half of the starting QBs in this league can't be gameplanned against.

I just never buy into this limited QB bullcrap when I've been told that Henne, Tannehill, and Cutler all have physical tools that mean they are automatically better as starter than guys like Moore or Pennington. Of those three, the only one who delivered over a long stretch was Tannehill last year. I see far more limitations in guys who just aren't good football players regardless of arm strength.
 
I know its against the populace but i do believe Gase knows Moore’s limitations. When faced with a complex D I do think he struggles. I think Gase was hoping Cutler could overcome that but it’s definitely been a rough start to say the least.
 
Despacio said:
I know its against the populace but i do believe Gase knows Moore’s limitations. When faced with a complex D I do think he struggles. I think Gase was hoping Cutler could overcome that but it’s definitely been a rough start to say the least.
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Some QB's struggle against complex defenses. Other Qb's struggle just because they are bad, inconsistent players, whose largest enemy is themselves, and who can defeat themselves regardless of opponent.
 
Sirspud said:
Your post would be valid except that when Moore had an extended stint starting he didn't play that poorly. And it's idiotic to act like Cutler can't be gameplanned against, or half of the starting QBs in this league can't be gameplanned against.

I just never buy into this limited QB bullcrap when I've been told that Henne, Tannehill, and Cutler all have physical tools that mean they are automatically better as starter than guys like Moore or Pennington. Of those three, the only one who delivered over a long stretch was Tannehill last year. I see far more limitations in guys who just aren't good football players regardless of arm strength.
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That's a winning statement ...

Yes, all qb's and all teams can be game planned against... Thanks for dropping that knowledge.

Maybe I'm just a Homer, but I do understand the logic behind going with bringing Cutler in.

Here's a question for you. Let's say you're running a sales team and your top producer moves out of the country.. you know what you got with the rest of your sales force. To stay profitable for the rest of the year, do you rely on what you already got, hoping it all works out...

Or

Do you make a phone call to a previous top producer you are very familiar with. Someone that you had success with and who knows what you want and can count on not putting you in tough spots..

I'm assuming Gase obviously wanted better results, but you can't fault him for the decision to bring in Cutler..

Food for thought, let's say we brought in a back up to Matt Moore...do you think if/when Moore goes down due to injury (minor or major), his back up could have pulled this win off?
 
OneYardShort said:
That's a winning statement ...

Yes, all qb's and all teams can be game planned against... Thanks for dropping that knowledge.

Maybe I'm just a Homer, but I do understand the logic behind going with bringing Cutler in.

Here's a question for you. Let's say you're running a sales team and your top producer moves out of the country.. you know what you got with the rest of your sales force. To stay profitable for the rest of the year, do you rely on what you already got, hoping it all works out...

Or

Do you make a phone call to a previous top producer you are very familiar with. Someone that you had success with and who knows what you want and can count on not putting you in tough spots..

I'm assuming Gase obviously wanted better results, but you can't fault him for the decision to bring in Cutler..

Food for thought, let's say we brought in a back up to Matt Moore...do you think if/when Moore goes down due to injury (minor or major), his back up could have pulled this win off?
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Problem is that some of these previous "top producers" are not top producers. Manning is physically unable anymore and Cutler is a never was. I am in business (retail), and I've seen a lot of new general managers fail when they assemble a team of guys they know and have worked with and underrate the staff they already have in place and don't really give them a shot or are unable to get the best out of them.

I actually can fault the decision with Cutler and did from the get go. We needed another QB but he brought in the one guy who would only come in if he were paid a high amount and would have to be the uncontested starter. If situations were different and Cutler wasn't retired and willing to come in and compete, great. It makes sense. But giving him a starting job when you already had a guy who could perform really backup him into a corner that hopefully he can be smart about if Moore plays well. And heck, even if Moore only musters 10 points on a short week, that 3 more than Cutler got in two weeks.
 
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