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If Gase thinks about putting Cutler in again.......

Kingdom Come said:
Moore won't last behind this OL.
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... which is why Tannenbaum is IMO useless. He's had a few years to fix Philbin's pathetic o-line, and it's still pathetic. (Partial blame must go to Gase, because like Philbin, he also prefers a short-pass based offense and "finesse" o-linemen.)
 
psfign said:
Exactly. The Gase bashing is the most ignorant bull****. It's so funny how these kids on the Internet think they're smarter than the coach that's got us this far right now.

Edit: thought it would auto censor 'bs'.
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Gase is a good coach. Best we have since Shula, even better than JJ IMHO. But it doesn't mean he never make mistakes. Culter is a mistake. And we can criticize him for it. Let's hope he is not stubborn, and learn from it.
 
Let's hope that in a few weeks the Phins will have the highest paid BACKUP QB in the NFL.
 
The negative posters here have willfully ignored the quantifiable information about both QB's performances today. They played at nearly the same level today, with Cutler having an edge in the % of completed passes and in QBR. A previous poster spelled out the similarities between last weeks game and this weeks game where the Dolphins second quarter play outperformed their first quarter play. I haven't checked, but I suspect Cutlers ratings in the 2nd half of last weeks game will be similar to his performance this week.

We have the same team and the same types of 2nd quarter improvements 2 weeks in a row. We use two different QB's with nearly identical stats in the last game, one in the first half and one for most of the 2nd half. Since you don't seem to understand what this means, I will tell you. This means the 2nd half improvements were not due to the who played QB! Its due to the way the TEAM played football!

We lost our starting QB in the beginning of the year. We scrambled and found a reasonable replacement. Our replacement gets hurt and we put in our backup. The results are that we have a 4 win - 2 loss record with a 3 game winning streak and guys out there are complaining. I bet if you gave them free beer they'd complain it's the wrong brand.

Any reasonable analysis would indicate we are doing well but how do the posters I refer to as "millennial's" respond? They cheer when one of our QB's gets injured and they say the coach should be fired and that they claim that they actually do know more than the coaches do about football and that we should hire their favorite out of work QB as a replacement.

What the hell are you guys to thinking with???

It's now clear to me that those posters who make all those outrageous statements; the ones I refer to as millennial's, have delusions of having a high football IQ! They are wrong.
 
Wow look at how some people will spin themselves in circles to deny reality when it slaps them right in the face. Bringing up completion % to somehow claim Cutler had a better game than Moore did while coming off the bench and erasing a late game deficit. We've seen Moore and Cutler, aside from those rubbing bullshit in their eyes so they can refuse admitting they're wrong, to the rest of us it's quite clear that Moore is a better QB and leader than Cutler is at this stage of his career. Gase made a bad call. He understandably panicked when Ryan went out. That's all there is to it. Let's hope we move on from this with the best possible team out on the field.
 
3rd N Long said:
What you're missing out on though is that when Moore came into the game and toss an INT right away. The Jets turned that into a TD and gave themselves a 28-14 lead. At that point I think it was clear that Moore stoked the inner competitor of his teammates and they responded by playing better simply because Moore was now in the game as opposed to Cutler. Who was having a miserable day having thrown for 12 of 16 with 2 TD, 1 INT and a 114 passer rating.

What Moore did after that though, going by the avg poster on these forums point of view, was he held the Jets to zero points. Which clearly is a sign that the defense was motivated by Moore being in the game. No need to be aware of how well they played in the 2nd half last week against the Falcons though. That doesn't fit the narrative. Heck the spectacular catches were because the WR like Moore better so they caught the hard to catch throws and have been dropping the easy ones the last 3 weeks because they didn't like the other QB. Which also makes sense because none of them were worried about winning or making more money. Most NFL players don't let that kind of thing get in the way of sabotaging a fellow player.

What you're also missing is that Moore gets credit for the defense getting its only turnovers and 2 huge turnovers in the 4th QTR. Something they clearly were unlikely to do had Cutler stayed in the game. At least going by the common logic on this site.

They also got a couple of huge sacks against a QB they had allowed to thrown 3 TD on them in the 1st half of the game and hardly put a hand on the 1st half of the game.

Again they may have also done so last week against Ryan but that was probably also motivated by hope that Moore would be the QB at some point. Moore gets credit for the defense getting the big INT and only 2 sacks in the 2nd half last week as well. Only makes sense right?

I think going by the above facts, you just need to admit that had Cutler stayed in the game, the team was ready to quit and no way the Dolphins win with him at the helm. Where as Moore came in and immediately got them headed in the right direction by spotting the opposing team an INT which they immediately turned into a 14 point lead. It seems so simple after having read through these forums as to what really happened today.
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6 paragraphs of sarcasm support your narrative. Use your eyeballs man. Cutler is so bad it's funny.
 
Ray R said:
The negative posters here have willfully ignored the quantifiable information about both QB's performances today. They played at nearly the same level today, with Cutler having an edge in the % of completed passes and in QBR. A previous poster spelled out the similarities between last weeks game and this weeks game where the Dolphins second quarter play outperformed their first quarter play. I haven't checked, but I suspect Cutlers ratings in the 2nd half of last weeks game will be similar to his performance this week.

We have the same team and the same types of 2nd quarter improvements 2 weeks in a row. We use two different QB's with nearly identical stats in the last game, one in the first half and one for most of the 2nd half. Since you don't seem to understand what this means, I will tell you. This means the 2nd half improvements were not due to the who played QB! Its due to the way the TEAM played football!

We lost our starting QB in the beginning of the year. We scrambled and found a reasonable replacement. Our replacement gets hurt and we put in our backup. The results are that we have a 4 win - 2 loss record with a 3 game winning streak and guys out there are complaining. I bet if you gave them free beer they'd complain it's the wrong brand.

Any reasonable analysis would indicate we are doing well but how do the posters I refer to as "millennial's" respond? They cheer when one of our QB's gets injured and they say the coach should be fired and that they claim that they actually do know more than the coaches do about football and that we should hire their favorite out of work QB as a replacement.

What the hell are you guys to thinking with???

It's now clear to me that those posters who make all those outrageous statements; the ones I refer to as millennial's, have delusions of having a high football IQ! They are wrong.
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These are great points but at what point does the reality of the qb room smack you square in the face.

I don’t like having my season capped pretty much before it started even and definitely with what cutler has shown since he’s been in the building.

Matt Moore is not gonna change it.
 
Aquablood said:
Gase is a good coach. Best we have since Shula, even better than JJ IMHO. But it doesn't mean he never make mistakes. Culter is a mistake. And we can criticize him for it. Let's hope he is not stubborn, and learn from it.
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But we shouldn't be saying fire him etc etc
 
Gase couldn’t have known off his 2015 experience with cutler that he was gonna be no longer willing to take contact to make plays within the framework of the offense. And that’s the root problem here. Cutler either checked out on that after he had his labrum tear and surgery or more likely once he took the commentator gig.

And now that he’s out on a very routine tackle frankly with cracked ribs how much interest do you think he will have in it when he comes back?

Anyways top player grade for o thru 6 games Jay Ajayi his struggles are not his own doing.

Teams are showing us 10 man boxes with one 20 yard deep safety to clean up you arent gonna run tbe ball vs physical fronts out of those looks. You have to soften em up with the pass. There’s little to no help coverage being played unless the sticks dictate it.

Top grade on d cam wake.

Bottom grade on o jay cutler. He hasn’t had a plus grade yet. Runners up Kenyan Drake and jermon bushrod.

Bottom grade on d there really isn’t one.

I would like to thank matt Moore for finally providing a plus grade at qb.
 
SMH... If football was only that easy. You guys calling for Matt Moore to start are missing a couple of very important factors.

1. The Jets defense did not prepare for him. What does this mean? It means that they did not spend any time studying film on his tendencies, what plays he likes, what he can and can't do well, which receiver her favors and in what situations, what throws he excels at and struggles with, Adam Gase's play calling tendencies with Moore in the game etc..... Give a team a week or two to break that info down and he will most likely look like the guy that would make a head coach decide to hire a retired slightly above average QB.

2. Moore had been in the league a long time and hasn't won a starting job in a long time. My guess is there's a reason for that.

He's a decent NFL QB but we're not winning many playoff games with him.
 
Mogwai said:
Gase is a pretty arrogant guy and Cutler was all his decision. Hope he's big enough to admit he was wrong. Gase can coach but he has some major issues with talent evaluation.
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This is a huge problem. And it's also the reality.
 
JTech194 said:
He's a decent NFL QB but we're not winning many playoff games with him.
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We're not winning any playoff games with 2017 Cutler either. So if the season isn't going to end successfully anyways, at least the team seems to have more fun with Moore, and we could've saved 10M in a cap-strapped year/offseason.
 
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