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Daytona Fin said:
I'm not buying that. He only started 4 games since 2011 two of those were 30+. Not going to dig out defense or kick return td's. And if it were true, why aren't teams throwing loads of cash at Moore for that awesome production?

Starts where team scored 30+
2007 1 out of 3
2009 1 out of 5
2010 0 out of 5
2011 4 out of 12
2016 2 out of 4

https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/M/MoorMa01/gamelog/2016/
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Explain why his ratio of 30 points games is so much higher than the Dolphin 10 year average and Cutlers last 40 games. Like double
 
Fins1971 said:
Explain why his ratio of 30 points games is so much higher than the Dolphin 10 year average and Cutlers last 40 games. Like double
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You said about half his starts, it's more like about 1/4 of his starts. I'm not disagreeing about the comparison to Cutler's past nor did I bother to look up his resume.
 
Daytona Fin said:
I'm not buying that. He only started 4 games since 2011 two of those were 30+. Not going to dig out defense or kick return td's. And if it were true, why aren't teams throwing loads of cash at Moore for that awesome production?

Starts where team scored 30+
2007 1 out of 3
2009 1 out of 5
2010 0 out of 5
2011 4 out of 12
2016 2 out of 4

https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/M/MoorMa01/gamelog/2016/
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Not too bad.
How many times did he score 24 points?
 
When Moore came in we had a fearless leader who would take a bullet for his guys. Everything is about a half second faster with Moore. Moore is so comfortable in this system that it's apparent instantly. Moore goes through his progressions lightning fast and gets the ball out to the right guy. Cutler makes his mind up before the snap and if the play goes south in any way at all he's ready to go down. Moore will be on his second read before Cutler is on his first. We become a pretty tough team with Matt Moore in there. Right now we have a better chance to win with Matt Moore. Great news on Tunsil by the way, it looks like he will play Thursday.
 
Daytona Fin said:
Why not count all the stats for games started in 2011? Again if you believe the win totals and offensive production are credited to Moore, why aren't teams lined up for that success, seems like a no brainer to sign someone with such a polished career?
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Chose not to include all games since 2011. Thought 12 was a good sample size to show merit the statement made has some legitimacy to it along with relief appearances.

And I am not saying Moore is Miami's QB of the future. For one thing he is 33 years old. And I don't think he is great QB, never have. I think is a great backup. I also think clearly he is the best QB Miami has had on the roster since Pennington, perhaps Marino. I think Miami needs to make QB the #1 priority in the offseason. I am a believer if your team doesn't have a top 10 QB then the team has QB problems. That position is that damn important. The teams that get into the playoffs year after year have one thing in common, a top 10 QB.

I never said he has a polished career. Facts are facts and that is what I stated. When given the chance Moore has more than shown he is a leader and wins games. In HS he led his team to an undefeated season and division title with a huge game in championship. At Oregon St. he led the team to a 10 win season winning 8 of the last 9 games. Only 1 other season has Oregon St. won at least 10 games. Not bad for a school that started playing football in 1893!

Why aren't teams lined up ... ? My opinion A) he's not a top 10 QB and B) he didn't get the fanfare in college and teams don't hand over the keys to a franchise and $$$$$ to an undrafted QB like they do to say, a QB over-drafted in the 1st round who hasn't proven himself.

Had Trent Green not got hurt we may never have heard of Kurt Warner. Coach Vermeil wasn't handing him the job until Green got hurt and he was their best option. And I'm not saying Moore is in Warner's class.

My point of view is Moore is a better leader than we've had at QB since at least Pennington. Leaders don't always look like a golden boy (Tannehill type) but when they play they elevate the play of players around them and chalk up more wins than QBs who look like a golden boy and yet aren't one. Moore is a leader. He has shown it in HS, college and the pros. That is three levels of football Tannehill hasn't shown it. Teams and this team (based on last year and yesterday) has responded to him. He outperformed Tannehill last year when given the chance. He outperformed Cutler this year in 2 quarters yesterday. I think he deserves to start moving forward until, hopefully, we get an upgrade in the offseason.
 
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Moore will play well then play terrible. Much like Tanny. But he is better than Cutty right now. Hey it's happened before. Erol M., a backup, basically led a team to an undefeated season. They won't go undefeated but who knows.
 
Both QB,s can't beat teams like KC, Radiers or New England. Give me Tannehill
 
Moore will have some problem against good defense. like N.E den car maybe kc and bills...if you do nt have good defense moore8 will beat you. with mat8 as qb we should be anywhere from 8 to 10 win. as long as defense do their part.
 
kingfin23 said:
Both QB,s can't beat teams like KC, Radiers or New England. Give me Tannehill
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Huh? This fantasy world Tannehill fans live in is CRAZY!

Did you see the list of teams Miami beat last year being led by Tannehill?

Browns (1-15), 49ers (2-14), Rams (4-12), Jets (5-11), Chargers (5-11), Bills (7-9) and by 7 points or less including needing OT to beat the 1-15 Browns. The only winning team Miami beat was Pitt and that was b/c Ajayi rushed for 204 yards + 2 TD which Ajayi also had over 200 yards in the Bills victory.

Against teams 8-8 or above...Seahawks, Pats, Bengals, Titans and Ravens he sucked! 113 of 164, 1242 yards, 3 TD, 7 int, QB rating of 79.37
 
J. David Wannyheimer said:
NJPhinsfan is mostly right. Matt Moore does indeed play like he has nothing to lose, which is what I really like about him as a backup QB.

I hesitate to say that Jay Cutler is playing cowardly football or anything like that, but throughout his career it has been his habit to protect his body when he throws the football in a crowd, and he certainly hasn't changed that overnight.

Whether it's age or the shoulder injury he suffered last season, his ability to deliver the football off of a bad platform has diminished, and the result is... what we saw.
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Moore always played like that. Even in Carolina. Ask a Carolina fan from those days.
 
39wildman said:
Moore will have some problem against good defense. like N.E den car maybe kc and bills...if you do nt have good defense moore8 will beat you. with mat8 as qb we should be anywhere from 8 to 10 win. as long as defense do their part.
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Which sounds like our QBing for the last 15 years.
 
Penningtonis fools gold. Without relinquishing snaps to the WC, his dinks and dunks would have led to more of what Baltimore did to to humiliate him and the team. He has a sub .250 career winning record against Top 10 scoring Ds and exactly a ..250 percentsge in 08. From that Ravens playoff loss through 3 games in 09 and 1 in 10 before The China Doll went down again he was 1-4....not exactly what some refer to as "winning!"

And then there's Fiedler coming here at age 28 to under-perform relative to the caliber of the roster he had to work through and with with his sub 60 QBR and career 69 TDs to 66Ints. Had he needed to work with what Tannehill contended with, given his limitations his record would have been woefully worse.

Moore's a gamer but its hard not to believe that the latter 16 season Tannehill would not have been at least 5-1 or better! He can't return too soon.
 
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