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For the past 10 years, perhaps longer, we have had a horrible offensive line. After all the money and players we have thrown into the offensive line, is it the players, the coaches or the scheme? In the recent past 2 years under Gase, I believe it has been injuries and lack of continuity. Not practicing with Pouncey in the preseason was horrible for "jelling" as well as not selecting the top 5 guys until the first game. It all starts with the line and I can't see any future without fixing this once and for all.
 
For the past 10 years, perhaps longer, we have had a horrible offensive line. After all the money and players we have thrown into the offensive line, is it the players, the coaches or the scheme? In the recent past 2 years under Gase, I believe it has been injuries and lack of continuity. Not practicing with Pouncey in the preseason was horrible for "jelling" as well as not selecting the top 5 guys until the first game. It all starts with the line and I can't see any future without fixing this once and for all.

According to some, not me, but some, the Offensive line has never looked better.

The Ever Offensive VIPER
 
Fixing the offensive line in Miami is apparently like building the pyramids. Actually it is worse. The Egyptians knew what they were doing .
 
As I've stated before, we haven't had a very good OL coach in forever, no matter what anyone thinks about Foerster. Toss in the fact that they've had turnstiles at guard for a number of years and it doesn't post a pretty picture.

They did look improved in pass pro a bit lately but STUPID mistakes cost the team every game.
 
As I've stated before, we haven't had a very good OL coach in forever, no matter what anyone thinks about Foerster. Toss in the fact that they've had turnstiles at guard for a number of years and it doesn't post a pretty picture.

They did look improved in pass pro a bit lately but STUPID mistakes cost the team every game.
Maybe but in obvious passing downs when we need to blitz protect it's like the running of the bulls, every man for himself...our line sucks. Think of our pass rush when we blitz, it's like hitting a wall.
 
Maybe but in obvious passing downs when we need to blitz protect it's like the running of the bulls, every man for himself...our line sucks. Think of our pass rush when we blitz, it's like hitting a wall.

I agree. Part of blitz protect is chipping/blocking by TEs/RBs and a receiver running to the open spot.

That has been a huge issue for quite some time.
 
It's unbelievable that year after year other teams convert 3 and longs and we can't gwt third and a inch to save our lives. Goes to show you our interior oline blows as does our lbers. Don't know what i would do to have ZT back and watch him throw himself all over the place. He and JT would wait for third downs to make a play.
 
For the past 10 years, perhaps longer, we have had a horrible offensive line. After all the money and players we have thrown into the offensive line, is it the players, the coaches or the scheme? In the recent past 2 years under Gase, I believe it has been injuries and lack of continuity. Not practicing with Pouncey in the preseason was horrible for "jelling" as well as not selecting the top 5 guys until the first game. It all starts with the line and I can't see any future without fixing this once and for all.

Here is what I don't understand. Miami has found good (not elite) OGs, but they sucked in Miami. Found bad OGs who went to another team and played well.That's nor on Ireland or Tbaum regardless how much some want to blame them (and I don't like either). That's (lack of) coaching. And not just OGs. OTOH, players like Dallas Thomas prove it's often the players. Scheme? Clearly it's part of the mix. Maybe it's just me, but Gase keeps complaining everyone should do their job as if anyone if Finheaven could play in the NFL if they would do as their told. Seemingly oblivious to talent or scheme.
 
For the past 10 years, perhaps longer, we have had a horrible offensive line. After all the money and players we have thrown into the offensive line, is it the players, the coaches or the scheme? In the recent past 2 years under Gase, I believe it has been injuries and lack of continuity. Not practicing with Pouncey in the preseason was horrible for "jelling" as well as not selecting the top 5 guys until the first game. It all starts with the line and I can't see any future without fixing this once and for all.


I think you forgot personal department. Our scouting team lead by Chris Grier is awful. Mike T is awful. The group before these idiots were awful too. We have drafted and signed so many busts it’s sickening. As James departs and Tunsil is struggling it just continues. Our whole scouting department, Tannebaum, and Grier need to be fired. Our draft classes, and free agent signings have been very bad the past 3 years.
 
It's the scheme, coaches, players, and Front Office. Under Jimmy Johnson and Bill Parcells, the team put more emphasis on defense than on offense. From 2000 through 2012 they drafted only 3 players at the offensive skill positions (QB, RB, WR, and TE) in the 1st round (Ronnie Brown, Ted Ginn Jr, and Ryan Tannehill). In the first 3 rounds they drafted a total of just 8 or 9 players at these positions. So, they usually had a decent defense, but an average (on a good day) offense. This is why Sparano's team did okay between the 20s but settled for FGs instead of TDS; they needed more talent at the skill positions.

The team already had a half-decent foundation. The defense needed some secondary help but had a Top 5 Rushing Defense. The offense needed to find a RT and replace the injured Jake Long, draft offensive talent, and get better playcalling. A complete housecleaning was in order; they needed a GM who could recognize (and draft) offensive talent, and a coaching staff that could improve what was already in place with better playcalling. Ross made a HUGE mistake by not firing both Sparano AND Ireland, and every personnel decision made by him since then has also been a mistake. Instead of finding a Head Coach who could improve the current team, Ross hired Philbin... a guy with NO experience as a HC, and who was an OC but didn't call the plays. Even worse was the fact that Philbin wanted to change everything about the team, and he sure did! Coyle ditched the 3-4 and the Top 5 Rushing Defense immediately dropped in the rankings. Philbin got rid of talented players and Ireland replaced them with inferior players. Under Philbin, the o-line was gutted. They replaced the overpaid, oft-injured Long with the overpaid, oft-injured Albert at LT. Philbin preferred players like Jonathan Martin and Dallas Thomas over guys like Incognito and Jerry to execute his zone-blocking schemes. The running game was replaced with the short pass, and bye-bye FB position. (I'll bet Philbin wished he had kept Lousaka "Mr. Automatic First Down" Polite!) Philbin wanted a fancy finesse team, not an old-school physically dominating team. Ireland was replaced by Hickey, who was replaced by Tannenbaum. Philbin's team was weak; they were consistently pushed around on both sides of the ball by tough, physical teams.

Philbin (with help from Ireland and Tannenbaum) turned a decent team into a laughingstock, with a roster mostly comprised of of weak, non-blocking, non-tackling, below-average under-achievers running pathetic and ineffective offensive and defensive schemes. At this point, Ross should have done what was needed before; a complete housecleaning. But NOOOOOOOO! Ross promotes Tannenbaum to VP, and they hire Gase as Head Coach (who then hires Joseph as DC). Gase also prefers the same style of short pass offense as Philbin, and the defense under Joseph (another Bengals secondary coach, same as Coyle) is just as bad as Coyle's defense. Joseph takes over as Denver's HC (and their defense takes a nosedive), and Gase promotes Burke (another Bengals coach) so he can continue to run the same ineffective defense. All the while, Tannenbaum and the Front Office continue to fail to do their jobs.

I'm not a huge Tannehill fan, but evidently his mobility hid a lot of defects on this team. Without him, the o-line has shown its true ineptness, the playcalling looks even worse, and the pathetic, ineffective defense is constantly playing from behind. It's a miracle that they won 4 games. If only Ross had done the logical thing and hired people to improve the team that he bought, instead of hiring those who wanted to change everything (for the worse). So yes; the problem lies with the schemes, coaches, players, and Front Office... and the owner!
 
I think you forgot personal department. Our scouting team lead by Chris Grier is awful. Mike T is awful. The group before these idiots were awful too. We have drafted and signed so many busts it’s sickening. As James departs and Tunsil is struggling it just continues. Our whole scouting department, Tannebaum, and Grier need to be fired. Our draft classes, and free agent signings have been very bad the past 3 years.
The past 3 years? More like the last 20 years!!

Ozzy rules!!
 
I would love for Ross to spend a lot of money on a stud Ol coach. From college or the NFL, just get a motivator with a successful history. If our current players still don't perform, then you know it's them.
 
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