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Dolphins expect changes, with some prominent players at risk

If we finish top 10 then an edge de should be in play.

Harris frankly hasn’t validated that top 25 pick yet but they are gonna ask for more from him in 2018 and he’s gonna have to produce.

Wake seems to be showing some age signs too and we want to be in front of that not behind it.

I do know one thing though. If we decline James option and then we go use that top pick on a right tackle I don’t care if said tackle starts out the gate or not it’s not gonna move the needle.

It will still be on the qb more than anything else unless we can dictate in the run game.

I would think a right guard would be the primary oline need this offseason.

We still control Larsen and steen for next year.

They aren’t gonna do anything at the lb level
 
SF Dolphin Fan said:
I agree. Fixing the offensive line is the key. Tannehill coming back is huge, but Miami won't win many if the offensive line isn't upgraded. Even with the lack of speed on defense, I think this team could contend if the offensive line is at least average.

What's your thoughts on the defensive line? My feeling is that Miami needs another difference maker there. Maybe the Carolina game is too fresh in my mind, but seeing Suh constantly doubled and no one else stepping up is very frustrating. And that happens way too often.

Lots of ways to go early in the draft. Some great running backs could drop to the Dolphins spot (Guice) and I think that would be hard to pass up. To your point, a player like that probably moves the needle significantly.
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The defense is nowhere near being the complement needed to the level of play Tannehill would offer, to make the team highly competitive. And there is absolutely no relationship between the functioning of a pass offense and the pass defense of the same team. In other words, if Tannehill were to return and play at his typical level, or even at the level at which he played after the first few games last year, that in itself wouldn't make the pass defense improve.

And if the pass defense doesn't improve, Tannehill's typical (or better for him) level of play results in a 7-9/8-8 record. If the pass defense had played like it is now during the run in which the team was 9-2 last year, the team record during that period would've been an expected 5-6/6-5, and there would've been no playoff berth.

In other words this team is a ways away. Tannehill's return alone simply gets it from the 4-12 expected from its performance this year, to an expected 7-9/8-8 performance.

And then the danger there is that the team is too average to make the playoffs, as well as too average to draft high enough to solve the problem.
 
J. David Wannyheimer said:
Well, last year we were 8th in yards per play at 5.8. This year, 31st at 4.5.

I think you can easily make the case that we would have a functional offense again in 2018 if we:

1) Get our quarterback healthy
2) Retain Landry
3) Find some production to equal what we got from Dion Sims at the TE position
4) Get a decent RB to split carries with Drake
5) Replace Bushrod


Point #1 should happen naturally. Point #2 should not be too difficult considering the franchise tag option. Point #3 is going to require work. Point #4 should not be a big deal, as there are plenty of serviceable running backs to be found in the draft or FA. Point #5, well, you'd think this would not be too hard but we're the Dolphins.
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Yeah the bushrod thing I think is the obvious one and they may do that in free agency.

I would add that the rb if it’s gonna split run with drake needs to be a true lead one.

We need something in the run game that the d has to gameplan for. But can also play all 3 downs so we can run tempo when need be
 
hoops said:
Yeah the bushrod thing I think is the obvious one and they may do that in free agency.

I would add that the rb if it’s gonna split run with drake needs to be a true lead one.

We need something in the run game that the d has to gameplan for. But can also play all 3 downs so we can run tempo when need be
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I still need to see more out of Drake, because he's had such limited run, but I feel like he's better than people are giving him credit for. I think at ten carries a game he's a guy who will be able to hold up, and who can produce.
 
They are gonna put a lot of their eggs in Raekwon next year and development on their top 3 boundary corners

They have too much money in lb to really make any change there maybe they cut Timmons and add the guy in Washington on a multi year deal but im doubting it. I don’t see it being a draft priority

It depends on where we finish but a top 10 pick worthy 43 de pass rusher that can play every down out the gate would be a major boost.

Our pass d looks worse cause we can’t finish or pressure the qb consistently enough.

And the scheme ask the lb level to read run and react to pass so if we don’t stop the run we have zero chance in coverage
 
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I also think they will bank on continued development of their dts. Those kids show enough and Phillips has played better football this year and they control all of them for 2018 at peanuts

Branches contract does however impact a de add with the top pick though unless it’s the obvious bpa scenario and no one else close
 
J. David Wannyheimer said:
I still need to see more out of Drake, because he's had such limited run, but I feel like he's better than people are giving him credit for. I think at ten carries a game he's a guy who will be able to hold up, and who can produce.
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He’s run the ball where the call ask for him to since they traded Ajayi he obviously got that message but he can fall out of favor just as quick if he starts bouncing chasing big plays instead of taking what’s there

To me though he still looks like a 3rd down back unless we are gonna shift completely in 2018 to a empty set primarily offense which puts a ton of pressure on your front 5 in pass pro

And I also need to see Drake stone a lb in pass pro. Cutting a db blitz isn’t the same as taking on a blitz lb

We’ve taken on this finesse feel to the o since we let Ajayi go more smoke and mirrors and emphasis on the qb play
 
hoops said:
He’s run the ball where the call ask for him to since they traded Ajayi he obviously got that message but he can fall out of favor just as quick if he starts bouncing chasing big plays instead of taking what’s there

To me though he still looks like a 3rd down back unless we are gonna shift completely in 2018 to a empty set primarily offense which puts a ton of pressure on your front 5 in pass pro

And I also need to see Drake stone a lb in pass pro. Cutting a db blitz isn’t the same as taking on a blitz lb

We’ve taken on this finesse feel to the o since we let Ajayi go more smoke and mirrors and emphasis on the qb play
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If you have time, go back and re-watch that game vs the Patriots from week 2 of last season. I think that is the offense that Adam Gase wants to run, and I think we are working back toward becoming that kind of offense in terms of run and pass concepts and calls. I don't know, just something that struck me after watching the last 2 games.
 
J. David Wannyheimer said:
If you have time, go back and re-watch that game vs the Patriots from week 2 of last season. I think that is the offense that Adam Gase wants to run, and I think we are working back toward becoming that kind of offense in terms of run and pass concepts and calls. I don't know, just something that struck me after watching the last 2 games.
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Oh I’ve got plenty of time. I pulled a Nate Allen yesterday and tore my calf
 
hoops said:
They are gonna put a lot of their eggs in Raekwon next year and development on their top 3 boundary corners

They have too much money in lb to really make any change there maybe they cut Timmons and add the guy in Washington on a multi year deal but im doubting it. I don’t see it being a draft priority

It depends on where we finish but a top 10 pick worthy 43 de pass rusher that can play every down out the gate would be a major boost.

Our pass d looks worse cause we can’t finish or pressure the qb consistently enough.

And the scheme ask the lb level to read run and react to pass so if we don’t stop the run we have zero chance in coverage
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I agree that a pass rushing DE that can play all 3 downs would make sense with our first round pick but let me ask you this. Are you willing to let Wake go? You don't want us to draft a DE that will start over Harris, making his selection a bad one already, do you? If you want a DE in round one then it has to be the end for Wake because you can't pay him 8mill a year to sit on the bench. Drafting the right guy should mean you have a good plan for him in place. When we moved up for Carroo they had no plan. They had 3 top guys already on the team so it was a dumb move to even draft a WR without moving up, let alone wasting those picks. I don't trust the FO to have a good plan in place for anything at this point. Do you?

Ozzy rules!!
 
Danny said:
I agree that a pass rushing DE that can play all 3 downs would make sense with our first round pick but let me ask you this. Are you willing to let Wake go? You don't want us to draft a DE that will start over Harris, making his selection a bad one already, do you? If you want a DE in round one then it has to be the end for Wake because you can't pay him 8mill a year to sit on the bench. Drafting the right guy should mean you have a good plan for him in place. When we moved up for Carroo they had no plan. They had 3 top guys already on the team so it was a dumb move to even draft a WR without moving up, let alone wasting those picks. I don't trust the FO to have a good plan in place for anything at this point. Do you?

Ozzy rules!!
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If we drafted a de top 10 it would be mostly about replacing branch in 2019

I could see branch odd man out on run in 2018 frankly if we add a high piece

That’s why for me it’s the worst contract in the building

Wake likely returns in 2018 but a high pick de add also gives us wake insurance. They aren’t gonna block Harris run in year 2 he’s a big part of the plan right now

He’s gonna have to step up and produce or the rubbers gonna hit the road for him in 2019
 
<O> said:
The defense is nowhere near being the complement needed to the level of play Tannehill would offer, to make the team highly competitive. And there is absolutely no relationship between the functioning of a pass offense and the pass defense of the same team. In other words, if Tannehill were to return and play at his typical level, or even at the level at which he played after the first few games last year, that in itself wouldn't make the pass defense improve.

And if the pass defense doesn't improve, Tannehill's typical (or better for him) level of play results in a 7-9/8-8 record. If the pass defense had played like it is now during the run in which the team was 9-2 last year, the team record during that period would've been an expected 5-6/6-5, and there would've been no playoff berth.

In other words this team is a ways away. Tannehill's return alone simply gets it from the 4-12 expected from its performance this year, to an expected 7-9/8-8 performance.

And then the danger there is that the team is too average to make the playoffs, as well as too average to draft high enough to solve the problem.
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I do agree. But, the defense is on the field too much as well. A better offensive line means more time of possession, more points and less pressure on the defense. This unit is worn down with all the three and outs.

The defense needs players as well, guys who can get to the perimeter specifically. Hate to see what New England does to Miami. Is there any way we hold them to less than 40 points?
 
SF Dolphin Fan said:
I do agree. But, the defense is on the field too much as well. A better offensive line means more time of possession, more points and less pressure on the defense. This unit is worn down with all the three and outs.

The defense needs players as well, guys who can get to the perimeter specifically. Hate to see what New England does to Miami. Is there any way we hold them to less than 40 points?
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One would think, but the Dolphins' offense has possessed the ball in 2017 only a minute and two seconds less per game than the average team.
 
So, we only lose an extra 2 mil or so to cut Branch? What about future dead money? Honestly I would consider it. Pouncey needs to go and if we keep him.... someone needs to get booted. HE IS DONE.
 
This is what gets frustrating watching bad teams in the NFL. You bring a guy who ran a franchise into the ground, proven to lose games singlehandedly, who had to "retire" at 32, and install him as your uuncontested starter, then when the team performs poorly you act like its everyone else's fault.
 
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