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Brandon Silvers versus Bryan Schor is a really interesting battle.

Offensively they're both doing similar things and there's a lot there to like in terms of translation, information processing, running a huddle and an offense, making calls and adjustments, etc.

From a leadership standpoint Brandon Silvers stands out because of how he plays against opponents that should overwhelm him, like LSU this year or Clemson last year. Then again, you look at Bryan Schor and the fact he won the FCS National Championship after a near perfect playoff performance, and the guy is undefeated this year. He did beat a FBS team this year for what that's worth. And last year he scored 28 points on North Carolina. Can't exactly help it if his FCS defense decided to give up 56 points to Mitch Trubisky's squad. He's working with FCS receivers and FCS linemen against UNC's high recruits and he jumped out to a 21-14 lead on UNC in the first half.

Brandon Silvers stands out for his ability to manipulate defenses with his eyes, and anticipate tight windows opening up. This is a key trait for him. On the other hand, Bryan Schor stands out for his ability to make plays when the play breaks down, finding guys on the scramble. That's a key trait for him.

I would say that Brandon Silvers throws the football with a little more pepper on it, especially on the short to intermediate throws, although I would not say that's the greatest thing because his prioritization on zip sees him throwing a hard to catch football sometimes. Schor has better manipulation of touch, can get the ball up over an underneath defender and down into a zone, and throws a bit more catchable on short to intermediate distances.

But is Schor's arm strength inferior to Silvers? I don't think so.



You don't make that throw, which has to be something like 58 yards through the air at a dead run, rolling right and throwing across your body, and not floating the ball at all, if you've got an inferior arm.

Silvers has a bit more of a stout build, but he's not quite as athletic as Schor, who can definitely outrun some people with his legs.

In terms of decision-making, they can both be risky with the football at times. But when Brandon Silvers is getting caught on a bad decision, I feel like he falls into the trap a lot of guys do when they use their eyes to manipulate defenses, which is coming back to the throw they wanted and throwing into it blind. When Bryan Schor is being risky with the football, it's usually just him being aggressive down the field trying to make a play.
 
Brandon Silvers versus Bryan Schor is a really interesting battle.

Offensively they're both doing similar things and there's a lot there to like in terms of translation, information processing, running a huddle and an offense, making calls and adjustments, etc.

From a leadership standpoint Brandon Silvers stands out because of how he plays against opponents that should overwhelm him, like LSU this year or Clemson last year. Then again, you look at Bryan Schor and the fact he won the FCS National Championship after a near perfect playoff performance, and the guy is undefeated this year. He did beat a FBS team this year for what that's worth. And last year he scored 28 points on North Carolina. Can't exactly help it if his FCS defense decided to give up 56 points to Mitch Trubisky's squad. He's working with FCS receivers and FCS linemen against UNC's high recruits and he jumped out to a 21-14 lead on UNC in the first half.

Brandon Silvers stands out for his ability to manipulate defenses with his eyes, and anticipate tight windows opening up. This is a key trait for him. On the other hand, Bryan Schor stands out for his ability to make plays when the play breaks down, finding guys on the scramble. That's a key trait for him.

I would say that Brandon Silvers throws the football with a little more pepper on it, especially on the short to intermediate throws, although I would not say that's the greatest thing because his prioritization on zip sees him throwing a hard to catch football sometimes. Schor has better manipulation of touch, can get the ball up over an underneath defender and down into a zone, and throws a bit more catchable on short to intermediate distances.

But is Schor's arm strength inferior to Silvers? I don't think so.



You don't make that throw, which has to be something like 58 yards through the air at a dead run, rolling right and throwing across your body, and not floating the ball at all, if you've got an inferior arm.

Silvers has a bit more of a stout build, but he's not quite as athletic as Schor, who can definitely outrun some people with his legs.

In terms of decision-making, they can both be risky with the football at times. But when Brandon Silvers is getting caught on a bad decision, I feel like he falls into the trap a lot of guys do when they use their eyes to manipulate defenses, which is coming back to the throw they wanted and throwing into it blind. When Bryan Schor is being risky with the football, it's usually just him being aggressive down the field trying to make a play.


I'm not sure about Bryan Schor or how he compares to anybody I haven't looked at him, but I want to point out the details you illustrated here in regards to Brandon Silvers are spot on. That's well done.
 
Benkert has physical skills that can be developed for the next level, but he's in dire need of some top notch QB coaching. He's a fundamental mess.

However, he displays two things that you can't coach...toughness and arm talent.

He'll stand in there until the last second and stare down the barrel of a blitzer to deliver the pass in key situations. Problem is, he's more tough than he is savvy at this point. Holds the ball too long and often takes some unnecessary punishment before deciding to throw it away....especially when his primary read isn't open.

Gets antsy in the pocket, I'd like to see him become more calm and relay more poise to his team. Forgets to set his feet when he throws on the move which causes his accuracy and ball placement to drop off.

Lot of details he needs to clean up in order to become a starter at the next level.

Also needs some work on handoffs...doesn't always seat the ball properly to the back.

He reminds me of Austin Davis coming out of Southern Miss. He may get cut a time or two in camp at first until he's able to iron out all his flaws with the right coaching and reps before eventually securing a roster spot as a backup.
 
Nice FCS QB battle this weekend between South Dakota's Chris Streveler and Sam Houston State's Jeremiah Briscoe.

As I've said, I favor Streveler quite a bit as a project for the next level. He's very big and strong, very athletic having a history of playing wide receiver at Minnesota. With his build, athletic ability, and toughness, you're almost tempted to throw him in at a different position. But he's been a dominant passer since joining South Dakota and he seems to be making improvements on his stroke in real time as he gets more and more game experience.

The short explanation of why you're drawn to him would be because his release is the quickest in the game, he can throw a very hot ball with accuracy, has the patience and physical confidence to stand in the pocket and deliver the football with lots of physical threats coming at him, and then he can hurt you with his legs and physical strength.

There's a confidence that bigger, physically strong guys sometimes have in the pocket with trash being thrown around them all over the place. He has that.

His offense isn't anything to write home about in terms of translation, but two things I like about it are his ability get from one side of the field to the other in his reads, and his complete comfort with a blur-caliber hurry-up.

Another thing I like is that the guy shows a natural sense for when to throw the football with charged up pace, and when to throw a very catchable ball. When I initially looked at him in 2016, I actually didn't think he had a very strong arm, but that was because I was watching throws where he was deliberately throwing catchable footballs with some arc. I mentioned that Brandon Silvers at times has taken to driving the ball so hard that it really takes away from how catchable his throws are. I would say Streveler has a better, more natural sense for when to drill it and when to throw it.

The competitiveness with him is very high. He exudes it. South Dakota has not been a good football program over the years. But they started out the year beating an FBS team (Bowling Green) and then beating the team that played in the FCS Championship Game last year (Bo Pelini's Youngstown State). They won seven games this year which I don't think they had done as a program in over a decade. They lost steam toward the end of the season, dropping three straight against UNI, NDSU, and SDSU, but they played in the first round of the FCS Playoffs last weekend and beat Nicholls on Streveler's 25 of 37 for 378 yards, 4 TDs and 1 INT.

The mechanics are a bit wonky at times, throwing all arm without much follow through or hip rotation. There are times when the ball comes out at a funny angle relative to his shoulder aiming. But I think you can continue to work with him on his feet, because that's where it all starts, and I think there's a possibility that a number of years from now any remaining idiosyncracies seem pretty benign.

Clean him up just a little more and what you're left with is a guy with a lightning quick release throwing a hot ball when necessary but also having a natural feel for throwing with touch, standing in the pocket with toughness and confidence, and making plays with his legs.

From there you're just hoping he's not absolutely clueless learning an NFL playbook, handling a huddle and protection calls, reading leverage, throwing option routes, and seeing the game at a much faster speed. That's a big leap of faith, but you could do a LOT worse than his tools and traits for a project player.
 
I've been watching Riley Ferguson lately since I like his numbers, measurables, the fact he started out in TN, the offenses he has played at have been very pro-like, has experience under center, he's likely to be available later, etc, etc...

Even in his good games, I see poor mechanics in his shorter throws mostly. He delivers the ball too far down his arc. He doesn't give his short throws much of an arc either. I think he 's trying to quicken his release but by stretching it all the way to his chest he's negating any advantage. Lots of his shorter passes get batted down because of this too. No touch either. Not a very catchable ball.

His deep ball is money though when he sets up properly.

He plays with urgency, is a good scrambler, stays in the pocket, while a good runner he looks to pass first and foremost, but sometimes he'll look like he's playing too fast. He's at his best when he sets but he doesn't do this enough. Good footwork though, he looks frenetic out there.

He's a leader and a competitor, decided to transfer rather than stay at TN as a backup after getting injured.

IMO the tools are there, both physically and mentally but will still need a lot of work with mechanics and gaining more poise in the pocket. He could add some weight, that would probably scrape some of his athletic ability but he'd be less afraid of contact and would probably need to scramble less either way.

If given time and a good situation he could be a productive starter in the league. If forced to start in a bad team early in his career that will ruin his confidence and he'll bust as he becomes flustered.
 
For me, Baker Mayfield and Riley Ferguson are the only two senior QBs in this draft that I could take and be relatively confident I got someone that will start games on Sunday.

Others feel that way about Mason Rudolph. He's not for me. It isn't that I wouldn't take him at any level. It's just that I'm not likely to prioritize him until Day 3. Pretty good arm, obviously great size. But he's a big, stationary target in the pocket. Only adequate feet, slow movement within the pocket. Can't do much of anything when forced off his spot. There are guys in past drafts that I've been high on that look a lot like this (almost invariably a mistake for me to be high on them) but at least those guys had Looney Tunes arm strength and/or ridiculous accuracy at distance. Mason Rudolph earns neither accolade.

Setting aside the underclass, I think my QB strategy would be to go for Baker Mayfield or Riley Ferguson at their market price, or if I were to swing and miss the market on those two, eschew the middling guys (Mason Rudolph, Luke Falk, Matt Linehan, Kurt Benkert, Max Browne, Jeremiah Briscoe, J.T. Barrett) in favor of Bryan Schor, Chris Streveler, Brandon Silvers, Dalton Sturm, or Logan Woodside. Probably in that order.

That gets blown up a little when you stick the underclass in there because suddenly ou've got a guy in Josh Rosen that should probably go #1 overall. You've got guys in Josh Allen and Lamar Jackson that I'm perfectly comfortable spending a Day 2 pick on. And you've got some legit Day 3 players to add to the pile in Ryan Finley, Tanner Lee, and Clayton Thorson. I know those guys would go ahead of Silvers, Sturm, and Woodside for me. Haven't yet decided on Schor or Streveler.
 
I do like Falk, Linehan and Benkert. What do you all think of Lock?
 
What’s anyone’s thoughts on Mike White out of Western Kentucky. Kids a Florida native from Ft. Lauderdale. Has pretty good stats.
 
I watched a lot of Mike White at South Florida and I've watched a lot of him at Western Kentucky. Personally I just don't see it.
 
This is a quarterback that I like for the later rounds or undrafted. Take him in, take your time with him, work on the consistency of how he sets up his throws with his feet, work on his flexibility, teach him an NFL offense. It's hard to say what you could come up with because there are significant building blocks present.


  • Big, strong guy with excellent frame and musculature despite only being 6'2" tall.
  • Fast, quick feet, good ball carrying skills. His feet are a weapon the defense must account for.
  • Has played wide receiver, tight end, full back, running back. Have to be smart to move all around like that.
  • Good communication skills. Widely regarded by teammates to be the leader. Has TWO Master's degrees.
  • Easily the fastest release I've seen in the 2018 draft. His release is so quick, it's a major weapon.
  • Great natural arm strength that can get even better if he keeps working on consistency in footwork.
  • Very accurate with the football. Throws players open. Makes decisions about ball trajectory and touch.
  • Doesn't over-rely on one receiving weapon; efficient chemistry with a dozen different players.
  • An intangible physicality; absolutely not intimidated by bodies cluttering the pocket. This is a big deal.
  • Regularly gets through to his third option, can get from one side of the field to the other with timing and accuracy.
  • Keeps his eyes up while scrambling and can flick the ball on a hair trigger to the open player.
  • Ran a blazing fast no-huddle, much like Jimmy Garoppolo did at Eastern Illinois. Requires fast information processing.
  • Took a team that hadn't won more than 6 games in a decade, won 8 games, beat an FBS team, won a playoff game.
  • Tough. Played with an injured throwing hand for much of 2017. Had to start throwing with a glove.
  • Throwing Stats: 316 of 481 (66%) for 4,134 yards (8.6 YPA), 31 TDs (6.4%), 8 INTs (1.7%).
  • Rushing Stats: 168 runs, +870 positive gains, -150 negative gains (sack yardage), 11 TDs.
If I had to really boil it down to what is so attractive with Chris Streveler, it is that he has a lot of intangibles in terms of physicality inside the pocket, leadership, intelligence, and yet he also has tangible qualities in terms of his strength, feet, ball carrying skills, arm strength, and especially that hair trigger release.

He and Troy QB Brandon Silvers are similar in that they're not going to get overwhelmed by anyone, no matter how much you think they should be overwhelmed. With Silvers at Troy (FBS Group of Five), he's not about to be overwhelmed by LSU or even by future FBS Champion Clemson in 2016.

With Streveler playing at a perennial loser in the FCS, turning them into a winner, he's not about to be intimidated by the FCS Championship Game runner-up (beating Bo Pellini's Youngstown State), nor by an FBS team (beating Bowling Green). He's going to carry that offense on his back, representing about 71% of the offense's yardage and 66% of its touchdowns. And if he goes down to a better team in the FCS playoffs, he's going to go down swinging, scoring 42 points of offense, accounting for 571 yards and 6 TDs on his own.

If he doesn't have the time in the pocket to operate the offense, then he doesn't have the time in the pocket to operate the offense. There's not much to be done about that. Streveler's offensive line was NOT good. But he's not going to be overwhelmed, regardless. He's going to stand in there, make passes with guys in his face, take hits and pop back up, and even do some things with his feet to buy time and get a pass off. That snap trigger of Streveler's is a real weapon, yet his mechanics are not standard issue. That makes me compare him to a Phil Rivers.

I really think you can do worse than a guy who is a physical specimen, has intangible qualities, the quickest release in the draft, and is intelligent enough to have accumulated two master's degrees by the time he was done with school. Even in the FCS.

Carson Wentz was not a wholly dissimilar story coming out.
 
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My goodness. Seriously. Get a look at this game from South Dakota QB Chris Streveler.



What a deadly release.


Is it me or does it seem like he "snaps his wrist" to throw? He doesn't seem to be using his torso/upper body on his throws..just snap the wrist and the ball is gone.
 
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