That game was fixed, and it was a bad fix...

A500 said:

But why does it matter?

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Because this board is going to be unreadable after we drop our 5th game in a row, which is going to happen on Sunday.

Somebody explain to me how at the end of tonight’s Monday nighter when the clock starts on the referees whistle 4 seconds run off the play clock but the game clock doesn’t start til the snap?

If they call that correctly it’s 20-15 and we get another possession. Even if it stalls you might put up 3 for 20-18 and the rest of the game plays out differently. We probably win the game if that’s called correctly. It was a game of 2 halves. We sucked in H1 and they sucked in H2. I think they had 1 FD the entire 2nd half until late in the fourth.

ButchFragrance said:

First if all how were we a home dog with them starting a back up qb..... Begged you to go Miami..... The Refs took 9 points off the board for Miami....... And that last play Martin was 3 yards out of bounds....... That is a good part of the reason the ratings are falling..... People arnt stupid.

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I couldn't even come onto the message board after watching us clearly get jobbed. Ya we're not the best team by a far stretch but to take points off the board like that on top of game-changing penalties lost us the game. At the very least, they should have had to score a TD to win. It was evident. I live in the Tampa area and my Buc friends just laughed when they took away a clear safety (clear as clear gets!!), a BS!!! PI penalty which took away 4 since we got the FG, and game changing plays. Yes we did get a lot of nice bounces last year but we're getting hosed this year at an alarming rate. As one of his early supporters, I will admit there's a Jay Cutler effect (So Obvious) that brings down the whole team. Matt Moore came in and our D did pretty damn good considering what they had to go against. Gase made a decision and it has failed. I'll give him a break because I truly think with Tannehill our team is just different in every sense of the word (Cutler must be hard to play with). If our team looks like this next year, yes it's time to blame Gase. Bucs fans should be pissed their 1st string Qb sucks, they barely won vs Cutler and the refs playing for them with their backup being 2-0. 6 more games of watching the bum and onto next season!!! Can't come soon enough!! PHINS UP!!

TarHeelFinFan said:

Between this game, the Oakland game, and the game in London, the refs are either outright fixing games or are Point fixing for Vegas. It is blatant. Done with the NFL.

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Yup!! Apparently punching our TE in the back of the head while being shown on a replay doesn't even get a fine or a flag. Such a joke. I looked up Mario Edward Jr. for a few days expecting to see something. Nothing. I know people say "you can't blame the refs" well...Ya you can when they take away a guaranteed 6 points plus we would have tried a FG on the 35-36 instead of "not getting it." I obviously don't believe there's any money being gained but you honestly have had to not watched the game to not think WTF!! Cutler is a total scrub and the players clearly hate him. He hates football. He loves his money. I'm sure his "concussion" was legit lol The guy doesn't care and it affects the whole team. Matt Moore came in and the whole team looked different. I forgot to add the 60 yd bomb to Jarvis and the BS holding penalty vs McCoy. It's very rare to beat the people that are literally calling the game by their instincts, eyes, and judgement. I think it's time we do away with these 60+ old refs and try to use technology to help. It just wasn't a fair game and it's happened too much to be ignored at this point (for many teams throughout the years) .

JakeemThe Dream said:

I couldn't even come onto the message board after watching us clearly get jobbed. Ya we're not the best team by a far stretch but to take points off the board like that on top of game-changing penalties lost us the game. At the very least, they should have had to score a TD to win. It was evident. I live in the Tampa area and my Buc friends just laughed when they took away a clear safety (clear as clear gets!!), a BS!!! PI penalty which took away 4 since we got the FG, and game changing plays. Yes we did get a lot of nice bounces last year but we're getting hosed this year at an alarming rate. As one of his early supporters, I will admit there's a Jay Cutler effect (So Obvious) that brings down the whole team. Matt Moore came in and our D did pretty damn good considering what they had to go against. Gase made a decision and it has failed. I'll give him a break because I truly think with Tannehill our team is just different in every sense of the word (Cutler must be hard to play with). If our team looks like this next year, yes it's time to blame Gase. Bucs fans should be pissed their 1st string Qb sucks, they barely won vs Cutler and the refs playing for them with their backup being 2-0. 6 more games of watching the bum and onto next season!!! Can't come soon enough!! PHINS UP!!

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I can't believe us homers bought into the Cutler hype. I always thought he was an idiot, I specifically remember him throwing 4 picks to DeAngelo Hall in a game years ago and after the game he was all like, I'd throw it to him again if I could. But somehow when they put the aqua on, I anticipate great things no matter how bad their career have been, funny how that works. And of course the refs screwed us, but what else is new.

TannDaMan17 said:

I can't believe us homers bought into the Cutler hype. I always thought he was an idiot, I specifically remember him throwing 4 picks to DeAngelo Hall in a game years ago and after the game he was all like, I'd throw it to him again if I could. But somehow when they put the aqua on, I anticipate great things no matter how bad their career have been, funny how that works. And of course the refs screwed us, but what else is new.

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Ya dude I hear it all the time because of my Dolphin homerism lol Cutler is clearly "still retired" and a huge detriment to our team as a whole. I bought into it for the reasons you said..I just can't shake the optimism even when I know I should. Luckily, it's obvious this team isn't the "real" Miami Dolphins. It sucks to be a Fin fan but I wouldn't have it any other way. #17 is going to be our biggest offseason acquisition lol Thank god and hopefully he's healthy. His value had to skyrocket after watching Cutler. I've never loved Tannehill more lol It also didn't help reading training camp reports with the headline saying "star" referring to Cutler. Only 6 more games of Cutler!! (:

i don't think the game is rigged or fixed, but the refs are just plain bad... did the dolphins get an apology on the non safety call yet????

tommyp said:

i don't think the game is rigged or fixed, but the refs are just plain bad... did the dolphins get an apology on the non safety call yet????

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TannDaMan17 said:

I can't believe us homers bought into the Cutler hype. I always thought he was an idiot, I specifically remember him throwing 4 picks to DeAngelo Hall in a game years ago and after the game he was all like, I'd throw it to him again if I could. But somehow when they put the aqua on, I anticipate great things no matter how bad their career have been, funny how that works. And of course the refs screwed us, but what else is new.

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I know there's a saying that "if you listen to fans, sooner or later you will be sitting with them."

However, I frequent a bunch of fan sites and when it comes to consensus - or the 80% middle ground of opinion between the two 10% extremes, my observation is that popular fan consensus is usually right.

Chicago Bears fans who came onto the Fins newsgroup I was posting in when JJ abdicated and foisted Wannstedt on us as HC were correct when they predicted he'd do just enough to look like he doesn't completely suck. They were thrilled to be well rid of him and pitied us for what was to come. And if any HC underperformed given the caliber of talent he had to work with, it sure was Wanny!

When we signed Cutler, I audited several Bear forums. Yes, he did have his champions who thought that the team brought him down, but the overwhelming majority who saw every snap he took from center was either laughing at us or pitying us. At that point, yielding to Bears fans collective wisdom, I became a realist hoping for a new iteration of Jay but expecting essentially and almost exactly what we got.

Long way of saying, he sucked then, sucks now and I've been a huge champion of Gase, but to me this kind of impugns his judgment going forward considering how bullish he was on Cutler.

ButchFragrance said:

As I look back he was incorrect too, TB opened as a 3 point favorite, and 82% of the money was on Miami..... That line should have moved WAY more.

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Sorry, if you think I'm incorrect on a betting topic, that's going to be a massive underdog. Preferable to pause instead of post.

The Dolphins opened as favorite. Some joints briefly were as high as -3. It settled to pick-em range and then the major betting groups played Tampa Bay heavily. The caused the line movement to -1.5 and as high as -2. The sportsbooks lost on the game.

Here is that line movement chart. You can check one book after another:

http://www.vegasinsider.com/nfl/odd...aneers-@-dolphins.cfm/date/11-19-17/time/1300

That 82% is paranoid fluff. When I worked in sportsbooks nobody cared about number of tickets on this team or that team. It literally never came up as a topic behind the counter. All we cared about was the bottom line, and which side we needed in each game. The wise guy money would offset so-called public money much more often than not. Let's put it this way...when one of the runners for the huge betting outfits showed up in front of the counter we'd eyeball him throughout and speculate what he might play. That could go on for 15 minutes or more. During the same time frame we might have dozens of small bettors circulate through the windows. Nobody cared. We weren't paying attention. The only time it became a topic was when one of the small bettors asked for a comp. That could get dicey because you wanted to keep their business but their dollar figures really didn't warrant a comp. I became known as a bit of a soft touch but I handicapped it as worth it because these small bettors were primarily locals who sometimes had good info on what was going on across the street at another sportsbook, or with some betting group. Since I took care of them with the sandwich comps they'd give me that info instead of passing it elsewhere or keeping it to themselves.

We'd check the Don Best screen to see what number the other joints were using, and specifically a few of them that we respected most. Often we'd run "what-if" scenarios in the computer, throwing in projected scores to see if something hidden was out there, like a parlay card or several that could pay off huge given a specific outcome. That in itself could cause us to change the line and essentially "buy" a bet on the other side.

Those are the sportsbook realities, then as now. Anything else is pathetic nonsense. We didn't have any connections and were life and death to have our employees show up on time, let alone manipulate a game. It is not mysterious as all. Odds are established based on blended power ratings and home field adjustment. That's it. Then you sit back and see where the bettors will take it.

But yes, we had several local poorly dressed creeps who would alternately hang out at the counter and listen to every bet. Often they'd get too close and we'd have to shoo them away because the customer at the window became uncomfortable. Those creeps were the early version of the "public money" obsession that became even more widespread due to the internet. The creeps would walk back to their friends in the sportsbook seating and tell them they heard 8 consecutive bets on the Dolphins but none on Tampa Bay. Now all the creeps would chuckle and brainstorm to bet Tampa Bay, because everyone else was betting the Dolphins. After all, the sportsbook couldn't afford for all those tickets to cash, could they? Something had to be done. The creeps would bet the minimum...5 bucks. Win half the time and lose half the time.

Of everything I witnessed regularly in Las Vegas, that creep mode was less respected and most inconsequential of all. It was simply an annoyance. Nobody cared. But as I've mentioned on countless sites of every type, the thing that startled me beyond anything else once the internet soared was the level of runaway cynicism. If you've got a conspiracy tale of any type, you're gold. Details won't matter. Probability won't matter. Shovel away, then behold the gullible gobble gobble.

Vaark said:

I know there's a saying that "if you listen to fans, sooner or later you will be sitting with them."

However, I frequent a bunch of fan sites and when it comes to consensus - or the 80% middle ground of opinion between the two 10% extremes, my observation is that popular fan consensus is usually right.

Chicago Bears fans who came onto the Fins newsgroup I was posting in when JJ abdicated and foisted Wannstedt on us as HC were correct when they predicted he'd do just enough to look like he doesn't completely suck. They were thrilled to be well rid of him and pitied us for what was to come. And if any HC underperformed given the caliber of talent he had to work with, it sure was Wanny!

When we signed Cutler, I audited several Bear forums. Yes, he did have his champions who thought that the team brought him down, but the overwhelming majority who saw every snap he took from center was either laughing at us or pitying us. At that point, yielding to Bears fans collective women, I became a realist hoping for a new iteration of Jay but expecting essentially and almost exactly what we got.

Long way of saying, he sucked then, sucks now and I've been a huge champion of Gase, but to me this kind of impugns his judgment going forward considering how bullish he was on Cutler.

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I think it was also a desperate move, as much as him being bullish on Cutler. Gase thought Cutler could save our season, but he was wrong, he simply isn't good enough. A strong GM would have told Gase no, this is my decision and we need that money to extend Juice, we need to take a long term approach to this decision. But we do not have a strong GM, this is Gase's show (I believe he has control of the 53), therefore he is also the de facto GM. Chip Kelly wanted that kind of power in Philly and some think that played a big role in his demise. That's why they got Doug Pederson because he is O.K with the GM running the show/53. Bellicheat is the only coach in the NFL that is the GM as well as the H.C, probably because he is the only one qualified for both roles considering how great he is. For most organization though, it's better to have a GM who has control over the 53. It's certainly working out for the Eagles right now, and very possibly a reason they never hired Gase in the first place, he wants too much power. I don't blame Gase though with this joke of a front office, we need a new GM.

Avigatorx said:

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lol

hoops said:

Somebody explain to me how at the end of tonight’s Monday nighter when the clock starts on the referees whistle 4 seconds run off the play clock but the game clock doesn’t start til the snap?

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The whistle is the "ready for play", which starts the play clock. Depending on the game situation, the game clock won't always start on the ready for play. For example, timeouts, out of bounds, incomplete pass.

J. David Wannyheimer said:

Because this board is going to be unreadable after we drop our 5th game in a row, which is going to happen on Sunday.

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True, but it's just a byproduct of the team putting themselves in a position to be better in the future.
I'd rather tank 1 season and have a chance at getting some of the best players at their respective positions, then win a few more games and have to take a chance at raw talent and have it not pan out and wind up back in 7-9 purgatory

I do agree with you by the way but this whole group has already acted like it's the end of the world when this is pretty much to be expected after losing their starting Qb and second round linebackers and two olinemen on IR(3? Can't remember)

Sure there has been bad play calling but what coach in the league would trust cutler with their entire playbook?
It seems like the only thing he can't mess up is the screens and those just don't work