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What a healthy Tannehill would do this year?

SF Dolphin Fan said:
Not without a real in-house replacement, though. It hasn't been that long since we've had the likes of Cleo Lemon, Chad Henne and so many forgettable others.
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There are many schools of thought in how to make this team into a playoff contender year in and year out.
Of cause, a good HC. Everyone knows that. Let go beyond that.
This team is in such disarrayed that I am for blowing it up and start from the ground. And I believe beside an elite QB, you always build from the ground up, meaning start with OL and DL. Therefore I rather have a good OL first, than to hang on to an average ( or may be above average ) QB in RT.
 
Aquablood said:
There are many schools of thought in how to make this team into a playoff contender year in and year out.
Of cause, a good HC. Everyone knows that. Let go beyond that.
This team is in such disarrayed that I am for blowing it up and start from the ground. And I believe beside an elite QB, you always build from the ground up, meaning start with OL and DL. Therefore I rather have a good OL first, than to hang on to an average ( or may be above average ) QB in RT.
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Bro what is your time frame in doing this? Will this take one more new head coach or several to complete?
 
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Aquablood said:
There are many schools of thought in how to make this team into a playoff contender year in and year out.
Of cause, a good HC. Everyone knows that. Let go beyond that.
This team is in such disarrayed that I am for blowing it up and start from the ground. And I believe beside an elite QB, you always build from the ground up, meaning start with OL and DL. Therefore I rather have a good OL first, than to hang on to an average ( or may be above average ) QB in RT.
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We aren't getting rid of Ryan Tannehill. RT is one of the main reasons Gase came to Miami.

If we've learned anything from the past, it should be that this constant churn of coaches and players has gotten us nowhere. Gase, took a below average team last year and got them to the playoffs. This year, he loses his QB before the season starts and is struggling....and we all somehow expect us to not skip a beat in improving this year over last. Sorry, I don't think that is realistic. If you look at the long term successful teams in the NFL (New England, Green Bay...etc.) you see a continuity that needs to grow over time. You don't blow it up because one of your primary weapons is missing and the team has struggled. All that does is start this vicious cycle all over again.

It is fair to question some of Gase's decisions (Cutler and Ajayi in particular) or those of Tannenbaum, but Gase isn't going anywhere and neither is RT. What we do need, is more depth on the OL, a tight end that can become part of the game plan and linebackers that can tackle and cover. Do that, and bring back a healthy RT and this is a good, solid team that should continue to improve.
 
Dolphins512 said:
We aren't getting rid of Ryan Tannehill. RT is one of the main reasons Gase came to Miami.

If we've learned anything from the past, it should be that this constant churn of coaches and players has gotten us nowhere. Gase, took a below average team last year and got them to the playoffs. This year, he loses his QB before the season starts and is struggling....and we all somehow expect us to not skip a beat in improving this year over last. Sorry, I don't think that is realistic. If you look at the long term successful teams in the NFL (New England, Green Bay...etc.) you see a continuity that needs to grow over time. You don't blow it up because one of your primary weapons is missing and the team has struggled. All that does is start this vicious cycle all over again.

It is fair to question some of Gase's decisions (Cutler and Ajayi in particular) or those of Tannenbaum, but Gase isn't going anywhere and neither is RT. What we do need, is more depth on the OL, a tight end that can become part of the game plan and linebackers that can tackle and cover. Do that, and bring back a healthy RT and this is a good, solid team that should continue to improve.
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Great post brother!
 
Dolphins512 said:
It is fair to question some of Gase's decisions (Cutler and Ajayi in particular) or those of Tannenbaum, but Gase isn't going anywhere and neither is RT. What we do need, is more depth on the OL, a tight end that can become part of the game plan and linebackers that can tackle and cover. Do that, and bring back a healthy RT and this is a good, solid team that should continue to improve.
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You just mentioned three major areas, that involves over seven important positions. How do you recommend to improve all these positions in one/two seasons. I am not talking about bringing in players like JT and Fasano to plug the holes. As for OL, forget about depth, lets find quality starters first.
I agreed Gase is not trading RT. But for discussion sake, with so many positions that needs to upgrade, trading RT should not off the table.
 
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Aquablood said:
You just mentioned three major areas, that involve over sever important positions. How do you recommend to improve all these positions in one/two seasons. I am not talking about bringing in players like JT and Fasano to plug the holes. As for OL, forget about depth, lets find quality starters first.
I agreed Gase is not trading RT. But for discussion sake, with so many positions that needs to upgrade, trading RT should not off the table.
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I am just saying if you traded Ryan who would be your QB?
 
Fin Fan in Cali said:
Bro what is your time frame in doing this? Will this take one more new head coach or several to complete?
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hypothetical question. I will give a hypothetical answer.
If Gase is a good HC, ( last year he was good, this year terrible, so jury still out ), trading RT and DVP should be enough to get quality OL this off season, plus picks. Use picks for QB prospect, and TE, adds a few LB. Next off season, concentrate on LB and secondary again, plus Wake's replacement and Suh's backup. Third year, the QB should be ready to go if we hit a good QB from the draft. So after three years, with any luck, it will be completed.
Of cause, there is not guarantee blue print. If there is one, every NFL team would be successful.
 
Dolphins512 said:
We aren't getting rid of Ryan Tannehill. RT is one of the main reasons Gase came to Miami.

If we've learned anything from the past, it should be that this constant churn of coaches and players has gotten us nowhere. Gase, took a below average team last year and got them to the playoffs. This year, he loses his QB before the season starts and is struggling....and we all somehow expect us to not skip a beat in improving this year over last. Sorry, I don't think that is realistic. If you look at the long term successful teams in the NFL (New England, Green Bay...etc.) you see a continuity that needs to grow over time. You don't blow it up because one of your primary weapons is missing and the team has struggled. All that does is start this vicious cycle all over again.

It is fair to question some of Gase's decisions (Cutler and Ajayi in particular) or those of Tannenbaum, but Gase isn't going anywhere and neither is RT. What we do need, is more depth on the OL, a tight end that can become part of the game plan and linebackers that can tackle and cover. Do that, and bring back a healthy RT and this is a good, solid team that should continue to improve.
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Now you know everything you've written should be obvious and common sense? But it's unfortunate it isn't at all! I'll admit early on I was dismayed at some of the early calls to fire Gase. Like what?

The guy got us to a playoff game in his first year. He loses he's D-coach and starting QB and we still have/had a winning record at the time and people wanted him fired under those circumstances in only his 2 year?

Then I remembered these are "fans" and how quickly they forget and oh the real NFL is like Madden. Fire any coach you want, get rid of any player and in FA period you can get any coach, draft the right people, sign any player you want and make it to the superbowl in that same time frame.

You certainly can do it in Madden why can't they do it in real life?
/sarcasm

I call it the i know your profession better than you syndrome because I'm a fan!
 
Aquablood said:
hypothetical question. I will give a hypothetical answer.
If Gase is a good HC, ( last year he was good, this year terrible, so jury still out ), trading RT and DVP should be enough to get quality OL this off season, plus picks. Use picks for QB prospect, and TE, adds a few LB. Next off season, concentrate on LB and secondary again, plus Wake's replacement and Suh's backup. Third year, the QB should be ready to go if we hit a good QB from the draft. So after three years, with any luck, it will be completed.
Of cause, there is not guarantee blue print. If there is one, every NFL team would be successful.
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I hear you, but this team drafting a QB that can be a successful starter in this league is tough one. I would rather keep Ryan and draft a QB this year and next year to get some much needed depth in position if you are going to make a change at QB. There have been have been other brothers that have suggested let Ryan go, and bring in Cousins in here. It will be an interesting off season for sure. I just hope the right moves are done with the players and coaches.
 
Fin Fan in Cali said:
I hear you, but this team drafting a QB that can be a successful starter in this league is tough one. I would rather keep Ryan and draft a QB this year and next year to get some much needed depth in position if you are going to make a change at QB. There have been have been other brothers that have suggested let Ryan go, and bring in Cousins in here. It will be an interesting off season for sure. I just hope the right moves are done with the players and coaches.
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Bingo! You hit it right on the head. Always good coach first. One step further, good owner and good front office first. I like Ross, he is not cheap, and geniouly wants a winning product , not treating the team as a cash cow. The front office, well enough said.
 
Aquablood said:
There are many schools of thought in how to make this team into a playoff contender year in and year out.
Of cause, a good HC. Everyone knows that. Let go beyond that.
This team is in such disarrayed that I am for blowing it up and start from the ground. And I believe beside an elite QB, you always build from the ground up, meaning start with OL and DL. Therefore I rather have a good OL first, than to hang on to an average ( or may be above average ) QB in RT.
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I hear you. It's possible that Adam Gase and the front office feel the same way, although this team always seems to play for one year and fill needs rather than build a foundation.

I would like to see Ryan Tannehill behind at least an average offensive line. He's never had that and, now seeing how bad Jay Cutler is with this unit, it makes me wonder if Tannehill is really better than most of us think.

To your point, I wouldn't mind blowing this up and starting over. The best players on defense are all vets in Suh, Wake and Jones. There may not be a single keeper on the offensive line. The only unit as of now that is above average might be the wide receivers. It's a bad team.
 
Avigatorx said:
I'm not going to get into the RT issue at all here, but I wanted to point something out.

I really dont think you can use the sacks allowed stat AT ALL this season to support the idea that the oline has been better at pass protection.

Cutler tries to escape the pocket as soon as the ball is snapped with his perpetual backpeddles and errant throws off his back foot.

The sack totals would be MUCH higher if Cutler was actually doing his damn job.

I just felt I needed to point that out, lol.
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I don’t think so cause there would be a lot more timing routes and the ball would be out of hand

It’s when the qbs back foot can’t even hit and have time to set up his feet or get to his 2nd progression that you can say the o line played a major factor.

Back foot being absolutely not on the qb and completely on the protection. If you can’t complete your play call depth drop before the contact then that is 100 percent on the o line

Unless the play caller just set you up for failure by letting the dline tee off situationally which does happen at times. Gase is really good though as limiting that with draws and delays etc.
 
SF Dolphin Fan said:
I hear you. It's possible that Adam Gase and the front office feel the same way, although this team always seems to play for one year and fill needs rather than build a foundation.

I would like to see Ryan Tannehill behind at least an average offensive line. He's never had that and, now seeing how bad Jay Cutler is with this unit, it makes me wonder if Tannehill is really better than most of us think.

To your point, I wouldn't mind blowing this up and starting over. The best players on defense are all vets in Suh, Wake and Jones. There may not be a single keeper on the offensive line. The only unit as of now that is above average might be the wide receivers. It's a bad team.
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I am interested to see what established quality veteran lineman available this off season. Let say we can get one by trading RT plus a high pick in return, and the same for trading DVP. Then we have two good linemen and additional high picks that we can use for loading early rounds with OL. Then in one off season, the OL problem that plagued us ever since Jimmy Johnson is solved. ( fingers crossed ). Spend middle rounds on TE, LB and QB.

People here argued whether RT is average or elite, or whether DVP is a keeper or a girl....it really doesn't matter; they all failed to realize that the problem since Jimmy Johnson is we never had an average ( never mind 'good' ) OL. The unicorn last year was a fairy tale. I don't care if RT is second coming of Arron Rogers. Behind line like this, RT will get hurt just like AR.

Next off season, spend early rounds on QB, LB. Mid rounds on other areas.
With any luck, we found a gem qb in this off season draft or next season draft. Then by year three the team should be competitive with the top tier teams.
 
Aquablood said:
I am interested to see what established quality veteran lineman available this off season. Let say we can get one by trading RT plus a high pick in return, and the same for trading DVP. Then we have two good linemen and additional high picks that we can use for loading early rounds with OL. Then in one off season, the OL problem that plagued us ever since Jimmy Johnson is solved. ( fingers crossed ). Spend middle rounds on TE, LB and QB.

People here argued whether RT is average or elite, or whether DVP is a keeper or a girl....it really doesn't matter; they all failed to realize that the problem since Jimmy Johnson is we never had an average ( never mind 'good' ) OL. The unicorn last year was a fairy tale. I don't care if RT is second coming of Arron Rogers. Behind line like this, RT will get hurt just like AR.

Next off season, spend early rounds on QB, LB. Mid rounds on other areas.
With any luck, we found a gem qb in this off season draft or next season draft. Then by year three the team should be competitive with the top tier teams.
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It's an interesting approach, but the team needs to be careful not to get caught without a viable quarterback. My personal view is that Ryan Tannehill is slightly above average with the arrow still pointing up a bit. I think the team can win with him.

I'm not opposed to drafting a quarterback high if the team sees someone with more upside, which certainly could be the case. But, I'd hold onto Tannehill until it's pretty darn sure the other quarterback can play. At that point, the team can make a trade and get real value in return.
 
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