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I'm curious for those that are super critical of Gase and the Dolphins. Do you ever look at other teams around the league for perspective? I didn't say excuses but legitimate perspective. For example, the Dolphins to date have a better or tied record with the following teams


Arizona Cardinals
4 6
Cincinnati Bengals
4 6
Houston Texans
4 6
New York Jets
4 6
Oakland Raiders
4 6
Tampa Bay Buccaneers
4 6
Chicago Bears
3 7
Denver Broncos
3 7
Indianapolis Colts
3 7
New York Giants
2 9
San Francisco 49ers
1 9
Cleveland Browns
0 10

The Majority of these teams have had their starting QB since day 1. Obviously, some have lost their starting QB for a period of time (Recently Texans and Tampa).

But when you take a look at some of the highlighted teams it's mind-boggling. Weren't the Raiders suppose to win it all this year?(maybe they still can) How many names did they sign to that team in the offseason? Weren't they considered to have the best QB and O-line in the league? What happened?

Didn't the Giants last offseason buy just about every missing defensive piece including one OV from the Dolphins? Touted as having the best D-line and one of the best core LB and secondary back-fields? Moreover, they still have Eli and before the recent loss of Beckham just about all their offensive weapons. What's their excuse?


Here are the teams that are 1 game better than our Dolphins

Baltimore Ravens
5 5
Buffalo Bills
5 5
Green Bay Packers
5 5
Dallas Cowboys
5 6
Los Angeles Chargers
5 6
Washington Redskins
5 6

Once more I'm not making excuses for this team BUT perspective goes a long way. Seriously folks look at the names on the list I posted. The Cowboys, GB are going DOWN! Think about what players and units they have compared to our players and units.

Yes! We can get into semantics looking at strength of schedule blah blah blah. But sometimes you have to give credit when it's due. Yes, we aren't world beaters but we sure aren't as bad with what we have as some are claiming.
 
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BahamaFinFan78 said:
What about comparing us to the Vikings who are on their third string QB, Case Keenam, and are KILLING it.
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So you're going to start your comment by completely ignoring ALL the teams I've mentioned that DO HAVE their starting QBs and just about every facet of their team to mention the ONE team that doesn't have their starting QB and use that as a base for what exactly?

That Gase and this Dolphins team should also be performing at that level?
 
Some fans just like to cry about things. We have sucked for over 2 decades and yet some on here or so overly dramatic about it. We lost our QB, lost our bye week, traveled over 16000 miles in our first 3 games, had to go to London, have an offense where certain skill players don't know the playbook, and have the worst offense in the league and are still 4 and 6.

This year has been a disaster for all of the above reasons. I just laugh about it and am watching tape of players for the draft, more exciting than the dumpster fire that is the 2017 Dolphins, but some of you just need to stop crying about it.
 
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BahamaFinFan78 said:
What about comparing us to the Vikings who are on their third string QB, Case Keenam, and are KILLING it.
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The Vikings are killing it because they have an elite defense, not because of Case frickin Keenum. Way to cherry pick a team to support your whining about us sucking without mentioning the defense tidbit.
 
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The two things that have soured me (and others) about Gase is his blind loyalty to Cutler and predictable play calling. Now the play calling has improved of late, which is encouraging, but the statement about starting Cutler without him practicing is extremely concerning. No I'm not a Matt Moore fanboy. I just don't think you should play someone who hasn't practice and has shown clear signs that he's not capable of running the offense at a high level anymore. The blind loyalty also has me concerned that we're going to stick with Burke and even worse, the wide 9 defense.
 
I like your post because it really highlights the REAL issue that so many do not see because they are focused on just one team. The fact that Miami is so uncompetitive,boring to watch & going through decades of losing is not a issue confined to just a couple franchises. So its obvious the fix is not easily figured out internally at these organizations, In the NFL when you go down you STAY down ala the Washington Generals for DECADES.

My point? This is a problem at the highest level of the NFL itself. There is no way they should be happy with a few teams dominating the win column years on end and a bunch more playing sloppy and hurting the product. How do they fix it? I think first step is to care that you are losing fans,revenue & viewership of the poor performers because of it. Then they have to get serious about helping get the right formula to allow down franchises the upper hand in the draft,coaching pool & FA transactions. Ill even go as far as to say some trades should be voted down by the league that allow certain teams to unfairly stock up (NE has been masterful at these)

Want to get to the root of the problem? Look deeper...
 
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ANUFan said:
I'm curious for those that are super critical of Gase and the Dolphins. Do you ever look at other teams around the league for perspective? I didn't say excuses but legitimate perspective. For example, the Dolphins to date have a better or tied record with the following teams


Arizona Cardinals
4 6
Cincinnati Bengals
4 6
Houston Texans
4 6
New York Jets
4 6
Oakland Raiders
4 6
Tampa Bay Buccaneers
4 6
Chicago Bears
3 7
Denver Broncos
3 7
Indianapolis Colts
3 7
New York Giants
2 9
San Francisco 49ers
1 9
Cleveland Browns
0 10

The Majority of these teams have had their starting QB since day 1. Obviously, some have lost their starting QB for a period of time (Recently Texans and Tampa).

But when you take a look at some of the highlighted teams it's mind-boggling. Weren't the Raiders suppose to win it all this year?(maybe they still can) How many names did they sign to that team in the offseason? Weren't they considered to have the best QB and O-line in the league? What happened?

Didn't the Giants last offseason buy just about every missing defensive piece including one OV from the Dolphins? Touted as having the best D-line and one of the best core LB and secondary back-fields? Moreover, they still have Eli and before the recent loss of Beckham just about all their offensive weapons. What's their excuse?


Here are the teams that are 1 game better than our Dolphins

Baltimore Ravens
5 5
Buffalo Bills
5 5
Green Bay Packers
5 5
Dallas Cowboys
5 6
Los Angeles Chargers
5 6
Washington Redskins
5 6

Once more I'm not making excuses for this team BUT perspective goes a long way. Seriously folks look at the names on the list I posted. The Cowboys, GB are going DOWN! Think about what players and units they have compared to our players and units.

Yes! We can get into semantics looking at strength of schedule blah blah blah. But sometimes you have to give credit when it's due. Yes, we aren't world beaters but we sure aren't as bad with what we have as some are claiming.
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Finally a voice of reason! Well done.
 
Some people suck at life, they don't want their favorite team to suck too. It's understandable, psychologically.
 
According to many we are the laughing stock of the league outside of Cleveland.

Reality.
 
The situation we find our team in is much more than a 1 yr event. If you have been following this team for a significant amount of time, you realize the ineptitude has been occurring since 2000 and to a lesser extent to the time JJ took over as coach. You can not look at the current season and understand the pain and frustration of the long suffering fan. If you really want to go back into history, the time with Tom Olivadotti as DC started the black clouds hovering over this organization. The years that his defensive incompetence ruined the prime years of Marino's career is a travestry in itself. Dumbstadt, Fist-Pumper, Shameron, Ireland, Speilman, and the rest have made life a bed of thorns for the long suffering fan. Now we are stuck with an owner that cares more about his college team than the team he owns, a holdover FO that is clearly out of their depth, and a coach that is driven more by his ego than making sound decisions for this team. So don't tell me to look at the league and compare ourselves to others. Frankly I do not give a damn about those other teams, I care about the Miami Dolphins. I expect more from an organization that was once the class of the league to settle for the product that they give us today.
 
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DKphin said:
The situation we find our team in is much more than a 1 yr event. If you have been following this team for a significant amount of time, you realize the ineptitude has been occurring since 2000 and to a lesser extent to the time JJ took over as coach. You can not look at the current season and understand the pain and frustration of the long suffering fan. If you really want to go back into history, the time with Tom Olivadotti as DC started the black clouds hovering over this organization. The years that his defensive incompetence ruined the prime years of Marino's career is a travestry in itself. Dumbstadt, Fist-Pumper, Shameron, Ireland, Speilman, and the rest have made life a bed of thorns for the long suffering fan. Now we are stuck with an owner that cares more about his college team than the team he owns, a holdover FO that is clearly out of their depth, and a coach that is driven more by his ego that making sound decisions for this team. So don't tell me to look at the league and compare ourselves to others. Frankly I do not give a damn about those other teams, I care about the Miami Dolphins. I expect more from an organization that was once the class of the league to settle for the product that they give us today.
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Well said...And like I mentioned above Ill add to you post a NFL that is comfortable with perennial winners and losers with no real trigger for change.
 
AZStryker said:
The two things that have soured me (and others) about Gase is his blind loyalty to Cutler and predictable play calling. Now the play calling has improved of late, which is encouraging, but the statement about starting Cutler without him practicing is extremely concerning. No I'm not a Matt Moore fanboy. I just don't think you should play someone who hasn't practice and has shown clear signs that he's not capable of running the offense at a high level anymore. The blind loyalty also has me concerned that we're going to stick with Burke and even worse, the wide 9 defense.
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Completely understood! However, given the state of the Dolphins record-wise and especially in comparison to the list of teams I posted earlier doesn't it suggest that Gase isn't quite the Baffoon that many are ascribing him to be?

I'm not saying he's the smartest coach in the world or anything. The point I'm trying to make is while it seems strange to us to see the Cutler decision or other perplexing decisions, perhaps this coach knows more about what it takes to win and specifically with whom to win with?
 
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