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Critical of Gase/Dolphins?

Good_Dylan said:
Thanks...I just didnt want to come across wrong and sometimes reading type is easy to misconstrue
Ross is still unsuccessful so thereby he is not great at ownership...Unlucky? Possibly yes but not great in any sense of the word.
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I take your point.......
 
Good_Dylan said:
Thanks...I just didnt want to come across wrong and sometimes reading type is easy to misconstrue
Ross is still unsuccessful so thereby he is not great at ownership...Unlucky? Possibly yes but not great in any sense of the word.
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Some people like to bash Ross as if he's the only owner of a long-suffering team. It's no coincidence teams have long droughts as if picking a top HC is VERY easy. Picking an elite QB is as simple as picking a new shirt. It's probability. Failing does not equate to incompetent
 
ANUFan said:
I'm curious for those that are super critical of Gase and the Dolphins. Do you ever look at other teams around the league for perspective? I didn't say excuses but legitimate perspective. For example, the Dolphins to date have a better or tied record with the following teams


Arizona Cardinals
4 6
Cincinnati Bengals
4 6
Houston Texans
4 6
New York Jets
4 6
Oakland Raiders
4 6
Tampa Bay Buccaneers
4 6
Chicago Bears
3 7
Denver Broncos
3 7
Indianapolis Colts
3 7
New York Giants
2 9
San Francisco 49ers
1 9
Cleveland Browns
0 10

Here are the teams that are 1 game better than our Dolphins

Baltimore Ravens
5 5
Buffalo Bills
5 5
Green Bay Packers
5 5
Dallas Cowboys
5 6
Los Angeles Chargers
5 6
Washington Redskins
5 6
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Yes, perspective is important. Which is why having perspective on these teams, who they've played, and how they've won is important. For instance, the Ravens trounced the Dolphins. Them being 1 game up is actually 2 games considering the tie breaker, but also you have to understand that the the record is not always indicative of the quality of team or how it is being coached/lead.

For instance, Chuck Pagano got all sorts of praise his first year leading the Colts to the playoffs with cancer. In reality, it was Andrew Luck and Bruce Arians that were doing that work. Pagano is garbage, yet is still the head coach.

The Packers are 5-5, one game ahead of Miami, sure. But that team is also garbage when you take away Aaron Rodgers.

The league has about 10 quality coaches today. Bruce Arians has been winning without a quarterback. The Vikings have been winning without a quarterback all of Mike Zimmer's tenure. Gary Kubiak was able to win a ton of games with Matt Schaub, then when he got some competency around him he wins a Super Bowl and even makes Trevor Simien look like an NFL QB.
So to say that Gase, who lost "his" quarterback should be given a pass is nonsense. He hand picked "his" quarterback and it has been the WORSE OFFENSE IN THE LEAGUE. Gase should go home. He's not an NFL head coach.

Do we have the worst team/organization in the league? No, I'd say the Bills, Browns and 49ers are far more dysfunctional. But Miami is right after them with the Bucs and Jags as perennial jokes.
 
fansinceGWilson said:
Some people like to bash Ross as if he's the only owner of a long-suffering team. It's no coincidence teams have long droughts as if picking a top HC is VERY easy. Picking an elite QB is as simple as picking a new shirt. It's probability. Failing does not equate to incompetent
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Failing might not equal incompetence, but incompetence does equal incompetence. Ross got Bill Parcells to help him in decision-making. That was Ross' only good decision his entire tenure. He doesn't know football. That's why he gets people that he thinks knows football to run things for him. He is incompetent.
 
royalshank said:
It’s funny - I was thinking what if NE wins the next 2 SBs? It could easily happen. How will that reflect on the league? Something is very wrong indeed when the game has been made to be all about the QB so much so that only 5-6 of them have won a SB in the last 15 years. Rule change have tilted the balance too far - now the only way to win a championship is to have a great QB - and there aren’t enough to go around.
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I, too, would agree this is larger than the Dolphins. I think it has more to do with Goodell, officiating, and owners than it does QBs though. I don't know if sinister things are going on, but it's a huge black mark on the league when Tyrod Taylor plays like he does but then he gets benched on a winning team and the replacement plays like he does. Are the Bills really that dumb? Do they WANT to lose?

I don't think it's as simple as having a great QB. It should be easier to play QB, but there is still horrible QB play. The schedule and division realignment has been awful. Coaching has been awful past about 10 teams. And even teams like Pittsburgh with Mike Tomlin, they win certain games but always have a let down and when they play New England he plays the exact same coverage type he would any other team. He doesn't change his scheme week-to-week. There is only one coach that does that, and it's the one coach who has been allowed to cheat.

Take a look at baseball. If you're caught of cheating, your career is pretty much over. In the NFL, you're considered the GOAT. It's problematic, and there's many reasons for this league to be concerned.
 
Parcells was hired by Heizenga and he used an escape clause to bail on the team when Ross bought it
 
ANUFan said:
I'm curious for those that are super critical of Gase and the Dolphins. Do you ever look at other teams around the league for perspective? I didn't say excuses but legitimate perspective. For example, the Dolphins to date have a better or tied record with the following teams


Arizona Cardinals
4 6
Cincinnati Bengals
4 6
Houston Texans
4 6
New York Jets
4 6
Oakland Raiders
4 6
Tampa Bay Buccaneers
4 6
Chicago Bears
3 7
Denver Broncos
3 7
Indianapolis Colts
3 7
New York Giants
2 9
San Francisco 49ers
1 9
Cleveland Browns
0 10

The Majority of these teams have had their starting QB since day 1. Obviously, some have lost their starting QB for a period of time (Recently Texans and Tampa).

But when you take a look at some of the highlighted teams it's mind-boggling. Weren't the Raiders suppose to win it all this year?(maybe they still can) How many names did they sign to that team in the offseason? Weren't they considered to have the best QB and O-line in the league? What happened?

Didn't the Giants last offseason buy just about every missing defensive piece including one OV from the Dolphins? Touted as having the best D-line and one of the best core LB and secondary back-fields? Moreover, they still have Eli and before the recent loss of Beckham just about all their offensive weapons. What's their excuse?


Here are the teams that are 1 game better than our Dolphins

Baltimore Ravens
5 5
Buffalo Bills
5 5
Green Bay Packers
5 5
Dallas Cowboys
5 6
Los Angeles Chargers
5 6
Washington Redskins
5 6

Once more I'm not making excuses for this team BUT perspective goes a long way. Seriously folks look at the names on the list I posted. The Cowboys, GB are going DOWN! Think about what players and units they have compared to our players and units.

Yes! We can get into semantics looking at strength of schedule blah blah blah. But sometimes you have to give credit when it's due. Yes, we aren't world beaters but we sure aren't as bad with what we have as some are claiming.
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There was no reason for optimism this season regarding the Cowboys, Raiders, Giants or Dolphins. Personnel means nothing in situations like that. Yet invariably all the offseason focus is on personnel and happy talk.

Each of those teams exceeded its 2015 win total by 4+ games in 2016. The Cowboys have been playing bizarre ping pong lately. That's a season win/over under bettor's dream. They went from 12 wins in 2014 to 4 wins in 2015 to 13 wins in 2016. Now the logical retreat in 2017.

Oakland went from 7 to 12. Miami from 6 to 10. Giants from 6 to 11. They key number is change of 3, as I've emphasized many times. More often than not the trend is not sustainable and will revert toward the previous level upon a shift of 3+. Atlanta also figured to be down somewhat after moving from 8 wins to 11, plus blowing the Super Bowl the way they did.

Next year all the teams that are having lovely breakthrough 2017 seasons will likely decline, teams like the Saints, Rams, Vikings, Eagles, Jaguars.
 
Our point differential is third worst in the league, we have been shutout twice and could've easily been shutout three times. This team and the "offensive genius" Adam Gase deserves as much ripping as it can possibly get.
 
Awsi Dooger said:
There was no reason for optimism this season regarding the Cowboys, Raiders, Giants or Dolphins. Personnel means nothing in situations like that. Yet invariably all the offseason focus is on personnel and happy talk.

Each of those teams exceeded its 2015 win total by 4+ games in 2016. The Cowboys have been playing bizarre ping pong lately. That's a season win/over under bettor's dream. They went from 12 wins in 2014 to 4 wins in 2015 to 13 wins in 2016. Now the logical retreat in 2017.

Oakland went from 7 to 12. Miami from 6 to 10. Giants from 6 to 11. They key number is change of 3, as I've emphasized many times. More often than not the trend is not sustainable and will revert toward the previous level upon a shift of 3+. Atlanta also figured to be down somewhat after moving from 8 wins to 11, plus blowing the Super Bowl the way they did.

Next year all the teams that are having lovely breakthrough 2017 seasons will likely decline, teams like the Saints, Rams, Vikings, Eagles, Jaguars.
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I don't think the Eagles will...I think their QB is the real deal.
 
fansinceGWilson said:
Some people like to bash Ross as if he's the only owner of a long-suffering team. It's no coincidence teams have long droughts as if picking a top HC is VERY easy. Picking an elite QB is as simple as picking a new shirt. It's probability. Failing does not equate to incompetent
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Which is why I say its a NFL problem also...The field should be leveled and obviously right now its steeply tilted into a few teams favor.
 
BahamaFinFan78 said:
What about comparing us to the Vikings who are on their third string QB, Case Keenam, and are KILLING it.
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Exactly, no one gets great comparing themselves to the worst. Also do it again after the season! We are about to have a much worse record. Unless you think we are beating the Patriots 3 times in one year and headed to the Superbowl.
 
Awsi Dooger said:
There was no reason for optimism this season regarding the Cowboys, Raiders, Giants or Dolphins. Personnel means nothing in situations like that. Yet invariably all the offseason focus is on personnel and happy talk.

Each of those teams exceeded its 2015 win total by 4+ games in 2016. The Cowboys have been playing bizarre ping pong lately. That's a season win/over under bettor's dream. They went from 12 wins in 2014 to 4 wins in 2015 to 13 wins in 2016. Now the logical retreat in 2017.

Oakland went from 7 to 12. Miami from 6 to 10. Giants from 6 to 11. They key number is change of 3, as I've emphasized many times. More often than not the trend is not sustainable and will revert toward the previous level upon a shift of 3+. Atlanta also figured to be down somewhat after moving from 8 wins to 11, plus blowing the Super Bowl the way they did.

Next year all the teams that are having lovely breakthrough 2017 seasons will likely decline, teams like the Saints, Rams, Vikings, Eagles, Jaguars.
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I guess I must of read the wrong offseason headlines practically giving the Giants, Cowboys and especially the Raiders division titles and Superbowl appearances. Now you're going to start with there was "no reason for optimism?"

Awsi? Don't be like that. Don't be the poster that plays the current results and pretends those headlines weren't all over the place in the NFL world.
 
Finland said:
Exactly, no one gets great comparing themselves to the worst. Also do it again after the season! We are about to have a much worse record. Unless you think we are beating the Patriots 3 times in one year and headed to the Superbowl.
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Fine, then let's all be fair about our comparison. Let's compare all the teams that lost and didn't get back (not even for 1 game) their starting QB at the start of the season. I'll go first

1) Miami
 
13Dolfan87 said:
Our point differential is third worst in the league, we have been shutout twice and could've easily been shutout three times. This team and the "offensive genius" Adam Gase deserves as much ripping as it can possibly get.
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Interesting, Now show me the part where any other stats means more than the W or the L at the end of the game.
 
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