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Critical of Gase/Dolphins?

Dolphins512 said:
I'm not sure I agree with this.

Currently, the "darling" teams are the Patriots, Eagles and Vikings". The reason the Patriots are perennial winners, isn't because the NFL tilts things in their direction....it is because they have a competent organization and the Jets, Fins and Bills haven't. They dominate, because we let them dominate. We have seen our Fins beat the Pat's a number of times with continuous pressure on the QB....yet here we are, at the bottom of the league in sacks. I view the dominance of the Patriots as much as the excellent play of their QB and team as the incompetence that exists in the rest of the division.

I'm also pretty sure, that the NFL isn't slanting anything towards the Vikings or Eagles. They earned their positions this year through good drafting, good coaching and excellent execution. Carson Wentz could have been a Brown's QB.....but their moneyball experiment isn't working so well.

Now, if you want to argue that the penalty frenzy that is occurring in the NFL is killing the game or that the rules are designed to help the offense too much.....I can agree with that, but I don't think it has anything to do with favoring specific teams
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finmann said:
How so?
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It is a NFL problem because they have a whole office dedicated to the product we see on the field in every game played. That product is not getting better each year but rather is getting harder and harder to enjoy, its regressing. Its the job of the NFL to move the product forward and identify issues. Its their job to look at franchises like the Dolphins and realize poor play means less viewership on TV, fewer fans that care & overall lower revenue.

I watched about 45 seconds of football yesterday...games were absolutely horrendous. There needs to be rule changes to help offset the QB dominance in the game...just not enough quality QBs to go around. There also needs to be larger concessions made to the bottom feeders at the expense of the perennial top tier teams. Then there is officiating...Just killing the game and there should be ways to overturn anything and everything they whistle to the correct call (I know its a slow enough process already but surely with modern technology they can do things like place chips in the FB to identify crossing the goalline electronically.

The NFL needs to revise the entire system before its too late.
 
Trade Viper said:
Hello Phello Phin Phan. I would like you to apply that logic for the next 15 years to your retirement account, look for the funds that are the lowest each year, rotate all your money out and buy them.
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Actually, that's an investment strategy I've used for 40+ years with part of my portfolio. Rather profitable. And I think putting money on all bottom dwelling teams for 20 would net quite a few top teams. That's the way all pro sports have worked for the last 50 years. The difficulty is picking one team. Miami WILL be a top team again. When? No idea
 
ANUFan said:
I know! I know! it's so much easier to look at the surface and say Ah ha! gotcha!

But try and stretch just a little bit more. Here's a hint start with the premise that maybe the poster didn't miss such an obvious point and what they're referring to goes a little deeper. I know it's might hurt a little bit because now you have to think and see a little further but it's okay you can do it.

Try that and come back. Cool? Cool!
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You were talking about the Vikings being an unusual situation this year, and not the norm. Then you pointed to the Patriots who literally went 11-5 with their backup QB but said they couldn't overcome it either.

You're also writing in the third person. Are you ok? Do you need a doctor?
 
iammclovin804 said:
You were talking about the Vikings being an unusual situation this year, and not the norm. Then you pointed to the Patriots who literally went 11-5 with their backup QB but said they couldn't overcome it either.

You're also writing in the third person. Are you ok? Do you need a doctor?
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:-) You know what? It's perfectly okay. As you were!
 
Most of those teams are in perpetual mediocrity or worse. Tired of Miami being compared to those teams. Ready for Miami to be compared to New England, Pittsburgh, Seattle.
 
finmann said:
I don't understand what you are saying, most owners don't know football and they hire people that know football to run things for them, how does that make him incompetent? He is doing what every (most) owners do in trying to bring home a SB victory. Ross doesn't pull names out of a hat, we can assume he has people on staff to advise him of the best coach to hire.
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The fact that most owners don't know football is a huge problem and not an excuse.
 
Dolphins512 said:
One thing I'm sure of........the constant turnover of coaches and QB's over the last 17 years has gotten us absolutely nowhere. It is very hard to be successful when you have immediate expectations in a reality that takes time to build.

Gase was excellent last year and got us a playoff berth when no of us expected anything even close. This year, not so much success and we are talking about blowing it up and starting all over again. I'm really glad most of your saying that don't have control of the team or are making these decisions. Look at Pittsburgh.....they have had what, 6 head coaches in their history? When they have bad years, they don't fire the coach, they support him and allow him to continue to build the culture and team the organization needs. New England, Green Bay, Pittsburgh, Seattle.....they have stability and continuity. That is what the Dolphins need, not a continual churning of the staff and team.

We are long suffering Dolphin fans. I'm in my 50's and have followed this team since 1970. You don't have to tell me about how long it has been since we won a superbowl or how long we have sucked....I know first hand. But what I have also seen is that the impatience of ownership and fans that gives a coach a short leash to turn things around doesn't work. How many coaches have we had since Shula left? How many QB's since Dan left? Why would we want to continue that?

I at times question Gase and what he does....I think that is fair, but the guy has a winning record as a Dolphins HC and we want to get rid of him? Crazy.....
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This, a thousand times over. This has been one of the weirdest freaking seasons I can remember; it's unlikely to repeat itself. It does not take one season to get a team headed in the right direction long-term. It doesn't take two. Hell, Tony Sparano got the better part of four years after a good first season. Joe Philbin got 3-1/4. You CAN'T keep rebooting a franchise every other year.
 
Dolph N.Fan said:
Most of those teams are in perpetual mediocrity or worse. Tired of Miami being compared to those teams. Ready for Miami to be compared to New England, Pittsburgh, Seattle.
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Pete Carroll didn't have a winning season in Seattle until Year 3.
 
The Goat said:
You CAN'T keep rebooting a franchise every other year.
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True, but you can't keep a Coach who is clearly in over his head. Ross did that with Philbin... huge mistake. Now, they repeated their mistake by hiring Philbin 2.0. This team is never prepared at the start of games (just like with Philbin). It takes a LONG time to get the offense moving, if they can do it at all (just like with Philbin). Poor gameplanning and playcalling, with no discipline; why would you want to give him more time? He can't control his team.
 
It’s sad when as a fan you go into a game like today with absolutely NO hope the team can win. I’ve felt this way since before 2008 when the fluke game happened.

**** this team for real.
 
DuderinoN703 said:
Miami hasn’t been in the Super Bowl in 33 years. They haven’t even gotten to the AFC Title Game in 25 years.

They deserve to be heavily criticized all day and every day.
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They haven’t even won more than 11 games in a season since 1990.
 
The thing is we are the second worst team in the league next to Cleveland. Our record is such a mirage.
 
AZStryker said:
The two things that have soured me (and others) about Gase is his blind loyalty to Cutler and predictable play calling. Now the play calling has improved of late, which is encouraging, but the statement about starting Cutler without him practicing is extremely concerning. No I'm not a Matt Moore fanboy. I just don't think you should play someone who hasn't practice and has shown clear signs that he's not capable of running the offense at a high level anymore. The blind loyalty also has me concerned that we're going to stick with Burke and even worse, the wide 9 defense.
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This. To add to it, it's more than Gase's blind loyalty to Cutler that has many fans feeling uneasy, but his blind loyalty in general. Both Thomas and Cutler - Gase's guys from previous teams - have done nothing to earn their spots in the offense. Then there's his stubborn insistence that Pouncey is our best offensive linemen, or that Bushrod grades out well, or the multitude of other examples one can point to.

His team consistently comes out flat, looking as if they haven't practiced all week. You can't not question whether Gase is losing the locker room given what we've seen this season.The playcalling is also certainly suspect. At times Gase is able to dial up some truly masterful calls (Landry in motion for a TD in the redzone early in the season comes to mind), but he's also just head scratchingly bad at times: the insistence on the WR screens, the runs up the gut out of the shotgun, etc.

The Ajayi trade was also purely Gase. Tannebaum may have pulled the trigger, but everyone knows who set that in motion. I understand the character concerns, but Ayaji doesn't strike me as a bad apple. He's a RB who wants to be fed the ball and a passionate young man who probably didn't conduct himself as he should of at times. Whatever was going on, he was an asset to this team. Take a look at our record when Ajayi saw 20+ touches a game. We drafted him in the 5th, develop him into a star, then flip him for a 4th. Pure Dolphins.

While yes, the season was lost with Tannehill, this team looks downright bad as of late. Regardless of the talent level, the coach's job is to get his guys to go to war for him. Gase seems incapable of doing that. He'll get another year for sure and after making the playoffs last year he certainly deserves it. But I'm not sold on him as I once was. And it's hard not to notice that a lot of the same excuses that were made for Philbin/Sparano/etc are now being made for Gase.
 
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