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How much time are you willing to give Adam Gase as HC?

How many more years should Gase get to turn things around?


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I agree with the first part of your post but totally disagree with the last part. It is never in any teams favor to tank for a season. Reasons why:

1) There are no guarantee's that drafted players will play up to their potential in the NFL, mostly due to the speed the game is played at and not having a mentality to learn new systems that are different from what they did in college. I see teams that have a less than 50% success rates with their drafted players.

2) Character issues. It is bad and getting worse! Many players come into the NFL thinking they are "Mr. Wonderful" or some kind of super hero. Teams are lucky if they can just get Mr. Reliable. This is tougher to evaluate than football skill. There are more than enough characters in the draft. Not as many of the NFL hopefuls have character. It is personnel character that will help them get through the hardest parts of transitioning to the NFL. I feel this is just as important as a players skill level.

3) A lack of maturity and self discipline! This is endemic among draftees. Some have it but many other do not.
  • These men have been focused on getting to the NFL all their lives, It is a shame that many of these players fail to understand that once they are drafted, the work gets harder, not easier. They do not have it made; they are in a position to "have it made" once the succeed, but they are not there yet.
  • Many young players are coming into a job that provides them more money then they ever saw in their life and are not knowledgeable concerning what to do with it. You can't tell them do what to do with their money. The NFL has started training programs so these young men don't get blindsided by fame and fortune. Clearly, this is a widespread problem if the NFL has to prepare the new players for non-football issues.
  • Many of these young men have some interests off the field that will negatively effect their playing ability. Any special treatment that had been given them due to their football skills as they progressed through high School and college now actually works against them now in the form of a lack of self discipline. When they finally recognize the problems that they have made for themselves they are often broke, addicted to some drug or behavior that now controls their lives, and find their "friends" can't or won't help them and that the NFL has moved on from them because they have lost their value as a player.
4) Tanking has never helped in developing a winning attitude. Every team has faced bad seasons for any number of reasons. It's character, not high draft picks that you need to get yourself through adversity.

Do you really think it is worth tanking in order to get a higher draft picks after considering the reasons I have put forth not to tank?

It's true. Nothing is guaranteed in the draft and with what the team went through with Dion Jordan I completely agree that character issues are probably with people coming out of the draft but I've seen two winning seasons since becoming a fan.

Year in and year out they are, for the most part, they have been slightly below .500. And those kind of seasons seem to keep them suspended around the same position.

Since those kind of seasons don't seem to help and winning seasons are not a given tanking is really the only thing I can think of that might work.

While teams should be looking to build their team through the later part of the draft, some teams are just better at it than others. I'd just really like to see Miami have a shot at picking one of "the best possible at their position" instead of hoping for a "raw talent" to pan out
 
Two more after this one, especially because I think the talent level on this team is greatly overrated by the fanbase and next year is going to be yet another clusterf*** of a season, one that can only be called good in relation to the current clusterf*** of a season.

That said, Gase is doing himself no favors by his decision making this year, both in calling the plays and in deciding on the personnel. Bringing in Cutler and jettisoning Ajayi are both textbook examples of self-inflicted wounds.

Trading Ajayi for value is the second best decision he has made! I know that many of older fans like me love seeing a bruising back, but there were too many warts for him to stay.
 
gase is a guy that, with a second chance down the road, could pan out somewhere else. but right here,right now, he's in over his head and will not be coaching the dolphins in 2019.

There is no doubt that he struggled to build a good coaching staff, that he is failing to mentor the defensive side of the ball, and that the coaching staff as a whole has been out coached in a number of games. I cannot understand that many of you do not give Coach Gase an immediate multiple year credit for taking the team to the playoffs after a decade long drought.
 
if he can't right this ship after three seasons, then there is little room to believe he'll do so in season 4. At the same time, cutting the coach and keeping the gm would be a huge mistake, can them all after 2018.
 
The fact is...the players in today's NFL are spoiled brat millenials that are killing the sport.

The national anthem protests are symptomatic of the problem with this league. Kaepernick, Vernon and all the rest of the morons following them are alienating fans in large numbers.

I'm a 47 year diehard veteran who is starting to lose interest myself....never thought I'd see that day.

Gase is dealing with spoiled brats who would rather kill their sport than study the playbook...I feel for him.

I'll say something else...I finally get why Saban ran back to college ball where players can't get away with such stupidity...but how long will that last in this environment?
 
Tired of the coaching carousel......he should get another 2 -3 years (5 total) to build the team in his way. Changing coaches every 2 or 3 years hasn't gotten us anywhere.

Putting a year mark on it never made much sense to me. Other teams have given coaches WAY too many years. If I see the same dumb **** next year with this team, I have no interest in seeing another after it. Some got it, some don't. It doesn't take a long time to figure that out any more.
 
The fact is...the players in today's NFL are spoiled brat millenials that are killing the sport.

The national anthem protests are symptomatic of the problem with this league. Kaepernick, Vernon and all the rest of the morons following them are alienating fans in large numbers.

I'm a 47 year diehard veteran who is starting to lose interest myself....never thought I'd see that day.

Gase is dealing with spoiled brats who would rather kill their sport than study the playbook...I feel for him.

I'll say something else...I finally get why Saban ran back to college ball where players can't get away with such stupidity...but how long will that last in this environment?

:laugh Whatever. Guess I can just label most of the Baby Boomers as terrible leaders. Leave that nonsense in the PoFo, please.

Good coaches don't seem to have a problem with it.
 
Maybe another year as next year Ryan Tannehill should be healthy again.
 
The fact is...the players in today's NFL are spoiled brat millenials that are killing the sport.

The national anthem protests are symptomatic of the problem with this league. Kaepernick, Vernon and all the rest of the morons following them are alienating fans in large numbers.

I'm a 47 year diehard veteran who is starting to lose interest myself....never thought I'd see that day.

Gase is dealing with spoiled brats who would rather kill their sport than study the playbook...I feel for him.

I'll say something else...I finally get why Saban ran back to college ball where players can't get away with such stupidity...but how long will that last in this environment?

It is nonsense. I could go much further but I'll leave it at that.

And Saban ran back to college because of pure fear. He couldn't stand to be questioned in an open balanced environment, and where he shared player acquisition rights equally with 31 other teams. Little Nicky desperately needed a protected college town where he could stare down anyone who dared question him, a state and climate with built-in animosity toward the media to begin with, and ready for Nicky to fuel it even more. He needed 30 first round draft choices per year instead of one. Not to diminish what he has accomplished at Alabama. He is the worst human being ever to head coach one of my favorite teams. I left this site intentionally during his tenure because I would have been banned if I'd expressed my full opinion on him. It's still difficult to sufficiently self-edit.
 
The fact is...the players in today's NFL are spoiled brat millenials that are killing the sport.

The national anthem protests are symptomatic of the problem with this league. Kaepernick, Vernon and all the rest of the morons following them are alienating fans in large numbers.

I'm a 47 year diehard veteran who is starting to lose interest myself....never thought I'd see that day.

Gase is dealing with spoiled brats who would rather kill their sport than study the playbook...I feel for him.

I'll say something else...I finally get why Saban ran back to college ball where players can't get away with such stupidity...but how long will that last in this environment?
Great hot take! You’ll be ready to pontificate on sports radio soon. But you forgot to call them ungrateful and entitled and imply that they’ve been given all they have. :rolleyes:
 
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If his Dolphins continue to tank and his hand pick by meaning of stupid extensions continue to their craptastic play then go ahead and fire him now!

Conveniently people forgot it was Gase who pushed for Cutler, pushed for Kiko's extension, pushed for Branches Extension, cut Ajai, etc. Giving him another year to further destroy whatever good is remaining on this team, is unfathomable.

His team quit, they don't respect him, they only respect the man handing out the paychecks.
 
If his Dolphins continue to tank and his hand pick by meaning of stupid extensions continue to their craptastic play then go ahead and fire him now!

Conveniently people forgot it was Gase who pushed for Cutler, pushed for Kiko's extension, pushed for Branches Extension, cut Ajai, etc. Giving him another year to further destroy whatever good is remaining on this team, is unfathomable.

His team quit, they don't respect him, they only respect the man handing out the paychecks.

Trade not cut Ajayi was a great move! I cannot believe we changed a 5th rounder into a 4th rounder on a problem child player. Cutler was a calculated risk that fell short. Not happy but I will not slam the move. Hard to argue with either extension based upon last year’s performance. I do not see how Coach Gase is destroying the team.
 
Ran into a Dolphin fan out today who is from FT. Lauderdale and he said to me he didn’t think the Coach Gase and management will take us to winning seasons again. We agree we are tired of the Pats as well.
 
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