12-42-54-77-82-go-go - GO!!!

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  1. craps

    craps Well-Known Member

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    5 top 90 picks

    03 Dion Jordan …….. 15g - 16t - 2sax ……………........ 21 tyler eifert …………….. 15g – 39r - - 445y –- 2td
    54 Jamar Taylor …….. 8g - 1 tackle ………………......... 46 kiko alonso ……………. 15g – 81t - - 4 pix –- 2sax
    77 Dallas Thomas ….. 6g ………………………………........ 61 eddie lacy ……………… 14g – 263c - 1112y – 10td
    93 Will Davis ………….. 5g - 8 tackles …………….......... 74 terrance wms ………... 15g – 43r –-- 697y –- 5td
    104 Jelani Jenkins …. 14g - 9tckles ……………….......... 76 keenan allen ………….. 14g – 66r –-- 957y –- 8td
    106 Dion Sims ……….. 14g - 6r - 32y - 1td ………........ 85 jordan reed …………….. 9g – 45r –-- 499y –- 3td

    turned to 3

    DJ is nice but no 1 player is worth

    Eifert at 12
    Kiko at 42
    Lacy at 54

    we could have used 77 n 82 to move up a couple of spots for
    terrance williams or keenan allen . . . . add those guys to
    wallace hartline gibson and grimes and sign LT albert
    or
    instead of eifert take d-hop or patterson and then reed later
    . . . . . either way this team would be crazy good right now

    call it hindsight if you like, but it’s the lack of foresight and
    the inability to identify elite talent that’s most troubling


    Boatload of Draft Picks n Cash

    and there’s not an offensive lineman in sight

    no OL ,, no TE ,, no Run Game . . . a couple of 3-4 LBs playing
    in a 4-3 ,,, a mismatched set of maxed-out receivers and
    brent grimes is all we have to show for it all . . . . .

    the ravens got Monroe for 4th n 5th round picks
    . . . . . were we even aware he was available

    i’m all for cats getting a shot but 2 years is more than enough
    time to show and prove . . . . getting hosed by the raiders
    and buddy nix and drafting cats like jonathan martin
    and michael egnew is reason enough to move on

    t'is the time to come anew . . . . . . . .
     
  2. Hayden Fox

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    I do not evaluate drafts after the first year. I will in year two and three. Give them some time before saying they were busts or overvalued.
     
  3. SkapePhin

    SkapePhin Rump Shaker Finheaven VIP Donator

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    There is nothing worse than armchair GMs setting up a mock draft with the benefit of hindsight.

    Your "hindsight" draft includes all rookie studs. How convenient. That isn't realistic. There isn't a GM in the league who drafts nothing but rookie studs in all rounds. That is fantasy land stuff.
     
  4. Ruckus45

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  5. spiral

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    What about Tom Brady, Joe Montana, Randy Moss, Emmitt Smith, Jerry Rice and Drew Brees? We could have had them as well...
     
  6. Danny68

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    NOW you tell us?! ;)
     
  7. ProStyle

    ProStyle Banned Hammered

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    There is nothing worse than a GM who fails repeatedly.
     
  8. Ruckus45

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    Ya there is, armchair gms that can pick a perfect draft a few years down the road.
     
  9. ProStyle

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    No, a GM who fails is worse.
     
  10. Dmarino110

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    tell me about 08, 09, and 10 are doing for us right now...thats why we havent done well...
     
  11. Ruckus45

    Ruckus45 FinHeaven VIP Finheaven VIP

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    You say fail, but outside of the fins microverse here it's not viewed as such. In GM power ranking Ireland usually fall out middle of the road. Even those rankings don't matter because in some I've seen half of the top 10 gms/FOs aren't making playoffs. While I'm not going to go back and forth on the pros and cons of Ireland, I will say he is more middle of road than "fail."

    Now we have a legit coach and QB middle of the road at gm doesn't hurt so bad.
     
  12. ProStyle

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    Kiko Alonso and Sheldon Richardson, but Hey let's spend the future on Ellerbe and Wheeler who are utter failures, moreover let's move up and spend #3 pick on an injured tweener.

    $90 mil on Hartline and Wallace?

    That's just a slice of this year's stupidity.
     
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    Oh yea, there's the armchair gm....FO should have listened to you
     
  14. ProStyle

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    Phins would've been better off.
     
  15. SkapePhin

    SkapePhin Rump Shaker Finheaven VIP Donator

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    Yes, they would have been better off if the present you somehow timetravelled to this past summer and gave them all the best picks in the draft, because I know you sure as heck weren't yelling for KIKO ALONZO from the rooftops...

    Armchair GMs are the freaking worst...
     
  16. ProStyle

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    No, that's a strawman's argument.
     
  17. spiketex

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    There is little to be gained from whipping oneself into a frenzy because other players were drafted. Nobody is going to get every draft pick perfect. Dion Jordan is still a very good prospect and will take a bit longer to see what we have. I wouldn't be surprised if he comes back next year bigger and stronger and better prepared to make his contribution. Don't write him off yet.
     
  18. Marino420TD

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    It's just a way to deflect accountability from the gm.
     
  19. SCLSU Mud Dogs

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    Do you not understand how easy it is for you to just sit there, look at the past, and claim "here's how it should have been!" Show us proof that you were high on any of these guys before the draft or gtfo.
     
  20. dobrasz54

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    I really wish I could go back and draft all these people. Then I would tell Ross to hire all of his scouts, talent evaluators and gm and hire just me. Why you ask? Well because I can see into the future to see who will be good. Call me Mr.Hindsight.......
     
  21. SkapePhin

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    Really? I said I think Ireland should be fired if we miss the playoffs because of this ****ty OL he built... That still doesn't stop me from calling out a halfwit who put up fantasy-land hindsight draft loaded with stars in an effort to somehow make himself look like a personnel guru. Its laughable.
     
  22. dobrasz54

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    Okay I want you to tell me who will be great this draft. Make a mock with superstars we can draft at each draft slot and this time next year we will look back at this and be fu**** blown away with how amazing you can draft. You obviously know something we don't.
     
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    Because Ireland's drafts have gotten so much better with age...
     
  24. ProStyle

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    It's about poor personnel decision that show on the field and on the books and are holding the team back.

    For example, we had two good LBs who were expensive in Dansby and Burnett. He decided to replace them with undersized unproven youngsters without saving any money, they are not performing well. That is a factual fail, performance wise and financially.
    One better solution was the draft solution, cheaper and better. He failed.

    There are factual repeated failures at personnel decisions, at the root of the thought process.
     
  25. Marino420TD

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    Yes really. It's not about hindsight... It's about pointing out how many opportunities there were to draft impact players. Ireland got nothing at this point, and the team has glaring holes.
     
  26. SkapePhin

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    Surprisingly, they have a little. Many of his drafts looked worse after the 1st year, than they do now. Not saying they were great drafts, just that some players that seemed like busts actually came on.

    Reshad Jones, Nolan Carrol, Jimmy Wilson, Charles Clay, Rishard Matthews, Olivier Vernon are all players that look better now than they did after Year 1.
     
  27. Marino420TD

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    The point is that's what Ireland gets paid to do... And he is not doing it well enough.
     
  28. Roman529

    Roman529 Moon Runner / The 3 AM Crew

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    It's always easy to look back at drafts and say WHAT IF???

    The Portland Trailblazers wish they could go back in time and draft Michael Jordan instead of Sam Bowie.

    What would have happened to the Patriots and Tom Brady had some team stepped up and taken Brady before the 199th pick? The Patriots would probably still suck, Brady would be selling insurance and not be married to Giselle. I would not have been aggravated the past 15 years.

    What if the Miami Dolphins had won the Superbowl over the Washington Redskins in 1983, Dan Marino might have been drafted by the Redskins in 1984, one pick ahead of us. Or maybe the Steelers would have drafted Marino. That's life.
     
  29. SkapePhin

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    I still say that the lack of playing time for rookies has more to do with coaches than anything else. They really don't like playing rookies. That was noticeable last year, and again this year. They simply don't like giving rookies extended play time. OV, Matthews, Miller barely got any playing time last season, and now you see OV and Matthews performing. Heck, they even wanted Tannehill to sit in the worst way.

    I expect Dion Jordan will start to pay dividends next season, because the coaches have shown they want to ease him in. Even if we did draft the guys you mention, I am pretty sure the coaches wouldn't have played them to the extent they are being played on other teams.
     
  30. dobrasz54

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    Every GM hits on everything they do but Ireland. I agree, we should go get Matt Millen. He helped turn around Detroit.
     
  31. Marino420TD

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    Don't necessarily disagree with this. I'd definitely question the use of some of our players, and that's on the coaches. I don't understand how our OL is such a disaster and Dallas Thomas doesn't play.
     

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