#19 is a terrible spot for us for a tackle

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  1. jetsh8r

    jetsh8r A True Fan

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    We have the same OL needs of a team that usually picks in the top 3. I see us taking a guard in the first round and not getting a tackle that is worth a crap at all. we really need to prepare ourselves for this scenario because the value at our pick will be a guard, wr or DT. That will lead us to the second round where the good tackles will be long gone and us looking at a starting RB or S. Are you prepared as fans to see us skip drafting a starting caliber tackle completely in the draft? This brings us to free agency and I think we have to go after a top tackle so we are not reaching on draft day.
     
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    Lets wait and see what we do in free agency. If we address LT in free agency then the only tackle we'll need to draft will be a RT and that can be drafted after the 1st round.

    After reviewing some games of Zack Martin I think he may be our guy and I think he can play LT and if not he can move inside to LG. The fact that he has less than ideal arm length will probably drop him somewhere around where we pick. 32.25" arm length is comparable to Robert Gallery (also 32.25") and Chris Williams (32.75"). Gallery was pretty much considered a bust until they moved him inside to LG. Chris Williams' career has been filled with a lot of injuries.
     
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    that and chris williams sucks
     
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    I agree. At 19 you get a guy who may just as easily be a 2nd round pick. I'd rather take a top player at a different position.
     
  5. jetsh8r

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    I would welcome Zack Martin at that pick, even as a left tackle but I think he will go in the 10-12 range.
     
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    If there aren't any good LT's at 19 then you don't try to force it. Plenty of other positions of need. There are very good LTs later in the draft (David Yankey of Stanford, Joel Bitonio of Nevada and Dakota Dozier of Furman) who, like Martin, can be worked out at either guard or tackle. There are plug and play guards like Su'a Filo, right tackles in the second or third rounds like JaWuan James of Tenn who would instantly contend to start.

    We don't need to panic. Joe Philbin built an excellent line in GB from mostly outside the top two rounds (or rather GB front office did). Let the draft come to you.

    We need a better safety. Pryor is a great pick at 19. SU'A Filo is a consideration. We're in dire need of a good LB. Mosley is a contender. David, Keuchly and Alonso have shown LB is a position a rookie can make a big impact at. More impact Day one than maybe a developmental tackle.

    Im not a fan of RBs in round one, but they can also make a big impact.

    Finally, there are some potential elite players we can pick up at 19, regardless of "need". Truth is, what we "need" most are a few elite players, whatever position they play.
     
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    I don't mind the 19 spot other than it translates to 50ish range in the second round, and typically the big drop off starts near 40.

    I'm not sure Jeff Ireland had any clue about that last year. We would have been much better off if we gave Oakland our lower second round pick to move up for Jordan, and then sweetened the pot with multiple lower picks, which Ireland wasted anyway.
     
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    It's hard to argue that the Raiders got the better end of that deal when you look at what it typically costs to move that far into the first round.

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    Love SU'A Filo. If he is there for us in rd 2 then he has to be the pick. Instant starter and makes us a lot better.
     
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    I think that just ups the ante on finding at least a temporary starter at LT in FA. Honestly, if we do I wouldn't mind if we went with a true guard at 19, like Cyril Richardson or Yankee, if one of the top 4 LT's don't fall in our laps, and then we can address a LT of the future a little later. Maybe Antonio Richardson falls to our 2nd, or we nab Turner with the intent of sitting him for a year to polish his game. One of those in the 2nd probably puts us in the same situation as getting Koundjio in the first, as they all have the physical skills but need some refinement.
     
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    I know this is crazy talk but some teams have actually found serviceable linemen outside of the top 20 picks. We just need a decent line...which would be a huge improvement at this point. I am thinking BPA that fits our scheme at 19, whether a lineman, S, or playmaker @ TE or WR. If the player doesn't fit, don't pick that ****!

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    I endorse taking a lineman at 19 if there is a lineman worth taking at 19. If not, BPA come on down.
     
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    I've been saying something to the same effect all along. We are mocked to take something like the 4th or 5th tackle on the board and that's not worth it when you can get another position who has a higher probability of hitting. Some people are suggesting we take 3-4 offensive line man and that is idiotic. Philbin and Hickey appear to have 2 years to turn it around and that doesn't translate to project linemen. Like mentioned before get a RB and WR in the first three picks because those will be the best value picks and have a better chance of impacting IMO. All this means we will have to work hard in free agency to shore up the line but that is doable.
     
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    I don't think so. Taylor Lewan could fall there and he's very solid. I think Antonio Richardson is a better player than he is being mocked and could be there at 19. Both are probably better suited for RT, but either would be a huge upgrade over what Miami has had at LT.
     
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    Lewan, Martin and Richardson. Get one of those @19 and i'm happy.

    I still like Cyril. Huge guard that can pull nicely.
     
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    Taylor Lewan (Michigan) will be there at 19. They can snatch Carols Hyde in the 2nd Round.
     
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    Jordan Matthews WR Vanderbilt
     
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    I admit I need to watch more of him but from what I have seen so far I am not wowed by him. What is that you like?
     
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    Seriously. How many 1st/2nd round picks are we gonna use on the offensive line? Jimmy Johnson used to laugh at the idea of using a 1st round pick on an offensive lineman.

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    I'd be fine with Martin, Kouandjio, Lewan, Mosley, Ebron, Nix, and even Clinton-Dix. There will be a good player for us.
     
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    yeah, he picked that scat back and the starting T ended up in dallas. yeah, don't believe in jimmas philosophy on that.

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    Go BPA or defense (LB or S). We should be able to get a decent LT in FA.
     
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    If Philbin and Hickey fear for their jobs, it'll be an offensive lineman.
    They won't care about highest upside down the road, only making 2014 less ugly.
     
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    There's a lot of time for guys to rise and fall and once the combine has come and gone we will get a clearer picture. But, I already know the guys I want and doubt that changes much between now and draft day. Judging by how they play, my list is pretty clear. I like the big, tall, long levered guys for the OT positions, and we have a lot of those prospects this year.

    In the first round I would ideally want a LT guy who is strong in pass pro with long levers and size to move people in the run game. Jake Matthews would be OK, but he is no slam dunk to be able to handle LT so I'm not trading up for him. Greg Robinson has the most physical ability and will be an absolute monster in the run game, but he is too raw in pass pro to trade up for him. Both of those guys should be gone by pick 8. The guys I like in the 10-19 range are Taylor Lewan, Cyrus Kouandijo and Zack Martin. Both Lewan and Kouandijo project to be solid LT's and those are my ideal picks. I'm expecting Kouandijo's stock to rise at the combine and wouldn't be surprised to see both of those guys projecting in the 8-15 range just outside of our reach. I'd trade up into that range for either of those guys. If neither is available, I really like Zack Martin as a LG. He could play RT but I'd see him more dominant at LG where I think he would star.

    There are a few other OL that I want outside of the first round. My biggest hope is that we can land James Hurst of UNC somewhere after the first round. He has 1st round talent and is a legitimate LT candidate. His size, length, and feet are already what you'd want for LT, but he is injured and we need to see if he has the power to hold up against bull rushes. I have a lot more belief in his power than I ever did from our last LT that lacked power. The injury may make it difficult to know how strong he is before the draft, dropping his stock from round 1 to somewhere in the round 3 or 4 range, but his talent is too good and his production too prolific to get out of round 4. I'd love to snag him in round 2 or 3.

    Jack Mewhort is an intriguing prospect as well. Another of the big tall long OT candidates, Mewhort is more of a mauler than a dancing bear, and I don't see him having the footwork to play LT, but he could be a very good RT/RG. I look at him being one of those guys who develops into being able to play anywhere across the OL effortlessly, but finding a home at RT/RG. Prospects like him come along every year and very often become solid NFL players. After our revolving door of guys, I'd really like a guy like Mewhort to build a lasting OL that can eventually develop some chemistry.

    Some people like Antonio Richardson ... but I'm not one of them. Similarly to how I didn't like our pick of Thomas last year, I'm not a fan of Richardson this year. UT has a lot of exceptional prospects, and most of you will remember my never-ending campaign to draft Cordarelle Patterson last year, but OL is not really their specialty at this point in time. Those guys run block as a team well, and have so many weapons it masks the fact that their OL isn't all that great individually. I don't think Richardson is worth being picked anywhere near where he will go. IMHO, he can't hold a candle to Kouandijo, Lewan or Martin, who are the guys projected to go in the same general range.

    This year is an odd year for OL. IMHO, none of the top OL candidates are truly dominant pass pro guys. But, there are a ton of guys at the top who are solid pass pro guys and project to be very good players ... so in that regard we're lucky. Actually, there literally is a ton of OL who will go in round 1 when you consider at current NFL weights you can reach a short ton with only 6 OL.

    I like the OT's in this draft far more than the OG's. Zack Martin is the only OG prospect that really stands out to me, and I'm kinda surprised so many people see him as an OT. But, in the round 3-4 range I wouldn't mind getting Anthony Steen from Alabama. He is smaller than I'd like, but fits our scheme very well and seems to be able to do everything you want at a high level. The trouble is that, like Martin, he looks like he may be drafted earlier than where he projects so he might not be realistic.

    Ultimately our best draft would have at least 3 OL with at least 2 of them being OT's and hopefully 2 starters (LG and RT) in year 1 surrounded by veterans to help them learn. This offensive line needs to be re-invented to be both a pass and run blocking OL. Now is the chance to do it. Not with stopgap veterans, but with young guys who work well within the scheme but are flexible enough to work in a power scheme as well in case we change coaches next year. That's reality as I see it.
     
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    a sleeper is Brandon Thomas from Clemson. start him on the right side or a year or 2 and get albert for the left side.
     
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    The ideal situation for us at Guard would be to get Asamoah at RG and Martin at LG.
     

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