2 Hypothetical Mocks:

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  1. madridfinfan

    madridfinfan Rookie

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    Hey fellow finfans. a bit bored here on a saturday morning. Thought Id throw this out there too see what you guys think. Bombs away.

    mock A
    1 OLB R.Shazier (can play in_out, adds a dimension we don't have, unless of course philbin decides to play jordan a lot more at LB)
    2 OT B.Turner (should be plug and play RT)
    3 SS D.Bucannon (would be a nice complement to Jones, insurance in case Delmas´injury history gets the better of him, not content with WIlson as our 3rd S)
    4 RB A.Williams (should add the bruiser body that DT never was)
    5 OG T.Turner (should also be a potential starter, if not, solid depth)
    6 TE C.Lyerla (worth the gamble, cant teach height, red zone threat we desperately need)
    7 WR J.Janis (another big receiving threat)

    mock B
    1 TE E.Ebron will provide what we've neglected for years, a seam threat TE)
    2 ILB C. Borland (not the most athletic, but intangibles off the charts)
    3 RB J.Hill (incredibly talented big bodied back)
    4 OT J.Hurst (injury drops his stock, if recovers well, should be day 1 starter)
    5 OG T.Turner (see above)
    6 SS I.Lewis (played on MichSt. all world D and secondary, could be sleeper if lasts this long)
    7 WR J.Janis (see above)
     
  2. DKphin

    DKphin A True Fan Donator

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    I think if we draft Lyerla his his career will go up his nose and by the wayside.
     
  3. Mudder1310

    Mudder1310 A True Fan

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    But in the 6th or 7th I think it's a safe bet. The dude has 1st round skills. If he wants to waste his career fine, but if he's all straight he could be a game changer.
     
  4. rickd13

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    I would take A over B.
     
  5. jim1

    jim1 Pro Bowler

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    Ok, here's two more:

    Mock A:

    1. WR Brandin Cooks Electric in the slot, brings a ton of speed and quicks, fantastic kick returner as well
    2. OLB Kyle Van Noy Just a good football player, preparing fro Philip Wheeler to get punted Reggie Roby style out of the building
    3. DE James Gayle Good player off the edge, more of a pure DE to let Jordan play OLB or more of an elephant position
    4. OG Trai Turner Strong, mobile, young player at a need position
    5. OT Michael Schofield Solid yet unspectacular- similar to Ju'wan James and Jack Mewhort in that regard, tough, moves well
    6. OT Matt Patchan Gamble on a talented yet frequently injured player that I'll take, especially at a need position
    7. WR Shaquelle Evans Could be a good late round pick up a la Rishard Mathews. Size, speed, quicks, has a burst.

    Mock B

    1. OT Zack Martin Just a solid, versatile player at a need position with outstanding intangibles. Might not make it to #19
    2. WR Martavis Bryant Gamble on greatness- has size and speed, good lateral movement and has a burst
    3. DE James Gayle See above, just a good football player who can really get after the QB
    4. OG Trai Turner I don't want to budge on this one either, see above
    5. TE AC Leonard Take a chance on a fast, athletic TE who's only 6-2.5 but brings talent and speed to the offense
    6. OT Matt Patchan I want to stick with this pick as well, dude is talented and healthy now, great ft for ZBS
    7. WR Kevin Norwood Good size at 6-2, 200 lbs, sub 4.5 40- solid WR lost in the shuffle in a deep WR class

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QsNneHzV5p8
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vzc2bOu6S8Y ran a 4.39 previously, had a bad start and still ran a 4.48- smooth, fast athlete
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HlygLcdCoOU will go up to get the ball
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aB9JUvCDFro watch him work the sideline, sneaky awareness, cagey, smooth hands
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Qg6xEdqtwk watch the nice acceleration after the catch, determination/hurdle at :18
     
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    Madridfinfan I like both

    Jim1, sorry to say but I dislike both
     
  7. SF Dolphin Fan

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    I like both, option A a little more. I'd be very pleased with Ryan Shazier. I love that he can move inside on passing downs, which would allow the team to get Jordan (at LB), Vernon and Wake on the field at the same time. I love the Billy Turner pick in R2 --- him or James from Tennessee would be my 2nd round targets if the Dolphins go a position other than offensive line in round 1.
     
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    I'm a big, big fan of Brandin Cooks. I think if the team goes that route, they have to go offensive line in the 2nd. Your second option does a really good job fixing the offensive line and Bryant is intriguing as that bigger wideout the Dolphins could use.
     
  9. j-off-her-doll

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    Williams isn't my favorite RB, but if you can get Shazier and Bucannon, you won't hear me complain about much else. Shazier, Bucannon, and both Turners . . . Yeah, that'd be exceptional.

    Realistic? Maybe not, but I'd be stoked if it happened. I prefer option 1 to option 2 - by a wide margin.
     
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    I like Mock B much better. Not sure about Borland Pick. I would tend to pick the best DT in the second round. Look for ILB in the 5th round.
     
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    Bucanons not getting to that 3rd rounder may not get to 50...James Gayle in the 3rd round would be Ireland day 2 level bad value...

    If you want Bucannon you better take it at 50 if its still there...he's on my pick 50 target list
     
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    Would love Bucannon at 50, and depending upon the players still available, I think you can justify taking him at 19. As much as I hope something good happens with Jordan, our D would have looked a lot better with Eric Reid back there last season, and he would have been worth the 12th pick (not saying he would have been the best option, but certainly worth the pick). This draft is stronger, so I'm assuming there will be players I prefer at 19, but he's a 1st RD talent. I have him as a top 15 player (14). If I did draft another player in the 1st, he's one of the few guys who might be in the 2nd that I'd be willing to trade up for.
     
  13. jim1

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    I have doubts that Gayle will even make it to the 3rd round much less be a bad value there. He's a heck of a player and edge rusher as a 4/e DE and I think that he's better suited for that position than Dion Jordan. A shade under 6-4 and 260 lbs, ran a 4.7 at the combine and strong at 26 reps. Those are all nice numbers, but even better is his play against the run and burst/ability to bend the arc. I'd consider us fortunate if we could draft him in the 3rd rd.
     
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    Gayle will never get to the qb in the pros you are gonna waste a high pick on a guy with 2 deep de locks already in front of him and get no snaps out of him barring injury...
     
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    Well, in my opinion you're dead wrong on that one and his body of work, ability and combine size/speed/strength numbers say otherwise. All just opinions, but I think that he is one heck of a 4/3 DE prospect worthy of a 2nd rd pick and for sure a 3rd.

    ps I was just watching some film of Gayle vs Morgan Moses, reminds me of why I like both. Moses is a load and has pretty good feet, solid in the run and pass games. nearly ideal size, but the question to me is whether he's a 1st or 2nd rd guy, and I'm leaning to the late 1st and early/mid 2nd. Very solid yet unspectacular, nonetheless a very good player.
     
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    Gayle wouldn't beat anyone out in that 2 deep de rotation...Shelby is the best run defender of the group they aren't losing his snaps...gayle projects as a poor mans Vernon with even less pass rush upside...

    He never even sniffed a win at the senior bowl pass rush one on one reps...if someone wants that on day 2 go with god...
     
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    Take the player out of it from a positional value even the only way a gayle pick would make sense is if dion Jordan was either moved to lb or off the team...that's the only way a 4th de makes sense for the rotation...

    Anyways just how I see it...if Jordan is here and playing de I would loathe that pick...honestly for what I see from the kid pass rush tools wise I'd loathe the pick either way...would not draft
     
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    I see him as a natural replacement for Wake as Wake gets older and as a natural 4/3 DE, unlike Jordan. His size, speed, strength, burst and ability to get after it in college tell a different story to me. 138 tackles and 22 sacks isn't bad for a college career- to me it's his ability to bend the arc and put pressure on the outside edge, plus play the run well that grabbed my attention. He's a productive, fast and talented attack piece that you want at 4/3 DE, but anyway we'll see what happens. I don't think that he escapes the 3rd round.
     
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    There would be some redundancy if Jordan stays at DE, and to me that would be a mistake. Regardless, I like Gayle quite a bit as well rounded 4/3 DE and I think that he'll do well in the pros. If you don't see ability in him as an edge rusher and a good 4/3 DE run defender, I'll just agree to disagree.
     
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    I'd wait for one of 3 things before I started planning for wakes replacement...signs of fall off as a pass rusher when healthy signs of a player being at the stage he's unable to stay healthy or signs from dion Jordan as in legit production and a counter that he's ready to take the mantle...

    We haven't had proof of any of em yet...although I will say that he appears to be a slower healer than I had hoped for...
     
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    Wake is fine, and he takes excellent care of himself. But he's 33 no matter how you cut it. The bigger factor to me is Jordan- if he (unfortuntely) stays at DE I'm looking at Kyle Van Noy in the 2nd rd, Martavis Bryant, Weston Richburg and Jordan Matthews in the 3rd round and a RT in rd 2 if we go elsewhere in the 1st, maybe for Brandin Cooks. I'd like to get Trai Turner in the 4th rd, but he might be a 3rd rd guy now after the combine.
     
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    LIKE MOCK A from the o-p.

    billy turner is one of my "hope" picks for the dolphins in this draft.

    not an all world mock but a good one. shazier is going to be a great player. and really, if a player pans out and turns into a pro bowler or mans his position for 10 years type, does it matter where he was selected?

    a lb not my fav choice for our #1 but, he is a great player and fits a need and if he became a pro bowler, icing on the cake!!
     
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    I am not a fan of taking a D back in the 1st 2 rounds unless they are ranked top 2 in there position and there value at 19 is outstanding. i think with our new additions, plus a healthy Jamar Taylor, our d backs may be pretty good this year.

    My 2 mocks.....and it depends on who is available at 19.


    Mock 1.......................................................... Mock 2...

    1. Martin, OL, Notre Dame...............................1. Moseley, ILB Alabama
    2. Moncreif, WR, Ole Miss................................2. Yankey, OGT, Stanford
    3. McCullers, DT, Tennessee............................3. Bryant, WR, Clemson
    4. Skov ILB, Stanford.......................................4. Loston, SS, LSU
    5. Hurst, T/G, N Carolina..................................5. Hurst, G/T, N Carolina
    6. Sims, RB, W Virginia....................................6. Sims, RB, W Virginia
    7. Huff, FS, Wyoming.......................................7. Lyera, TE, Oregon
     
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