2012 dolphin 1st round pick is in. its official. spoiler alert

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  1. enduro

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    As you know last year I was correct with my first round pick well before the experts, in the pick of m. pouncey. Well once again the pick is in. After reviewing his workout the pick will be tannehill. This of course depends if he is still on the board. The way things look, Miami may deal one of there 3rd round picks to move up to #7 to secure the pick. The chiefs and the Browns may try to leap frog miami and move into #7, and Jeff will have none of that.

    colts: luck
    skins: rgIII
    vikes: kalil
    browns: richardson
    bucs: morris claiborne
    rams: blackmon
    fins: (trade of one spot) tannehill

    If we miss tannehill in some senerio we will look to trade back unless a top 6 pick falls. Tannehill is our #1 target this year much like M. pouncey was last year.
     
  2. phinatic1399

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    I honestly think we have to trade with the Vikes if we want to secure Tannehill, after yesterdays pro-day I think the chiefs and browns are both in play, I'm not sure what it would cost to move up with minnesota, maybe our 1st round pick, one of our 3rds, and maybe a 2nd next year, but the way I look at it is if Ireland/Philbin believe Tannehill is their guy then they have to go get him even if it means moving up, I think this kid has tremendous upside and it will be worth it a year or two from now when we finally have our franchise QB
     
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    Trade????? WTF Who do you think you are...Rick Spielman?
     
  4. LikeUntoGod

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    You need help. And you also need to download a page telling you what draft picks are worth.
     
  5. Noodleman

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    Miami would be stupid to TRADE UP for tannehill considering he is not worth a first round pick. I disagree with you...I think Miami is not as interested as everyone thinks in him. I think they take FLoyd at 8 then draft a qb in the second.

    ---------- Post added at 07:47 AM ---------- Previous post was at 07:46 AM ----------

    Also if Miami trades up to 3 it better be to draft Blackmon.lol
     
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    Moore to Blackmon, not going to happen...........
     
  7. enduro

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    Miami is looking to move up. I may not have the compensation correct but they are looking to secure tannehill. They see him as the next a rodgers.
     
  8. FINFAN15

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    The Team has so many needs and Philbin values draft picks no way we give them away.I think he trades back to pick up more picks.We already had Weeden in here for a work out and now Ireland is going to Osweiler's pro day.Tannehill could be the pick at 8 but no way in hell we trade up for him
     
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    I hope so we need a QB, not just B/UP's...............
     
  10. Geordie

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    I'm not high at all on Tannehill. He's not even a top 2 or 3 round pick in my view. The only solace I see in picking at #8 is at least the FO is going Skill position for a change. Trading up for him to any spot is completely ludicrous, picking him at #8 is bordering on stupidity.
     
  11. enduro

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    in todays nfl your only as good as your starting qb. Unless you have some elite defense which we do not have. You don't pass on the next A. Rodgers. We have many needs but QB is still priority #1
     
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    You are late on this enduro, I think half the board already assumes he will be the pick if he is available . . . but if they trade up one spot to secure him, you are definitely the first to call that so you still have something to "redeem" your legacy on. :up:
     
  13. enduro

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    the fins feel differently than you. He is not ready to start game 1 but he has a ton of upside.
     
  14. trojanma

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    Those that are calling for Floyd or Blackmon are going to be dissappointed. Philbin has made it clear that his offense has no need for a prime #1 target. That is why Marshall was traded. Using the highest pick in the draft to secure the exact same thing would be idiotic.

    The pick is obviously Tannehill. The question is will we be willing to pay the necessary price to leap up to secure him.
     
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    Is it me? But I don't see us trading up at all. We need as many picks as possible.
     
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    Well your opinion would go against just about all draft experts out there.
    3rd round pick! That is a laughable.
     
  17. Kdawg954

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    You are probably right . . . but there is no way you can trust anything a coach or GM says right now. Marshall was traded because he is a knuckle head and a potential cancer in the lockerroom. If our #1 WR was named Calvin Johnson, or Andre Johnson, or Larry Fitzgerald . . . you can bet they would still be on the team.

    They met with Michael Floyd at the combine, before they even traded Marshall . . . I think he would be a great addition, but if Tannehill is there I think it sets up nicely for him to sit this year behind Moore and Garrard and become the starter next year.
     
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    Maybe it's just me but first round picks are for players that are guaranteed to be super stars or close to it.

    You don't take a "project" player with lots of "upside" in the first round. You take the sure thing player that will be a starter at the respective position for 10+ years.

    We need a QB but not to the point were we should take a gamble on a project player with less than 20 games at QB.
     
  19. enduro

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    Well to be honest this one is not that tuff this year. I have heard talk of swapping with the jags....
     
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    I will just put in the mix........DeCastro at #8.
     
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    I think if we trade up, it will be in round 2 to secure a target . . .and we would use one of those 3rd round picks.

    If a guy like Fleener slides to the end of the first round, I could see them jumping ahead of the 49ers, Giants and/or Colts to try and get him.
     
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    A. Rodgers good enough for you
     
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    If we take him I trust the fact that Philbin decided to pass on Flynn and Sherman believes he is good enough for next level. Although I think Ireland will go Decastro and Cousins/Osweiler.
     
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    we could move up and down in all rounds but we need to keep our eye on the prize. the next A. Rodgers
     
  25. HybridPHIN 23

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    Tannehill has been considered a first rounder by actual scouts since before september..... all you haters need to give some reasoning for why you disagree with all the experts.
     
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    so let me guess, the browns gm told your "source" that they are going to pass on tannehill leaving him wide open for the finz to select?

    all gm's have informed your "source" [or emailed you] saying they would not be trading up ahead of the finz and grabbing him?

    then you got a call from ireland and he said he got the same info and would in fact be taking tannehill?

    yeah.

    zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz.....................................



    PS: thousands of people had the pouncy pick including a couple hundred on this board.
     
  27. Geordie

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    How high someone is rated is not the same as how high he will be picked, I said I don't rate him as a top 3 round pick that does not mean I don't think he'll be picked there. But any team picking him imho is reaching way too high. For us, top 10 draft picks should be day one starters or at least close to it. Tannehill is a country mile away from that. If you want a young project QB with upside there are other options with better value further down in the draft. Or just wait till next year, when with the way the team is shaping up, we may be in a great position to draft Barkley.
     
  28. phinatic1399

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    I agree, the dude has tremendous upside, now we have a chance to finally get our franchise QB and everybody wants to trade down and take some scrub named osweiler, if philbin/ireland believe tannehill is the guy then get him at all costs, who cares about draft picks ireland and parcells were obsessed with stocking up on picks and where has it got us? mike mayock says tannehill is a franchise QB and is the next rivers but with mobility, are we really willing to pass that up just to trade down, get another pick, and get 4-5 years out of weeden or take a chance on osweiler? we already tried the safe method when we took long and henne in the 2nd, it didnt work, its time to get aggressive and make some moves stop being so damn conservative. Tannehill will have to sit for a year but it will be well worth it when the kid turns into a stud.
     
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    :lol: Just remember Aaron sat 3 years behind Brett Favre with no pressure at all. There will be pressure from day 1 for Tannehill to push for a starting role down here and clearly it would be great if we can get Ryan to sit for a year. Aaron went in the 20's and was 3 years younger also. Tannehill's value probably resides in that area, maybe a little further down but the need for a QB makes him a viable selection at 8.

    Saying he is the next Aaron Rodgers is just trying to build a buzz around a bunch of miserable fans who are hungry for a Super Bowl and are fiending for a Marino replacement. It isn't fair to put him in the category of an Aaron Rodgers right now.

    That being said, I'd gamble on him with Philbin/Sherman as the coaches . . . would totally be against it if the combo was Sparano/Henning.
     
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    Even if Tannehill doesn't end up a franchise QB, if you have any thoughts right now that he "can" be one you pull the trigger . . . you pull the trigger every year within reason until you know you have one.
     
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    I agree it's setting the guy up for a huge fall. And if you watched him play a bit last year (and I watched a lot of his games) you'll know just how far he is away from starting in the NFL. He might get there someday, but it's not going to be any time soon, and that might be too slow for this team which needs an injection of excitement and hope.
     
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    I agree 150%, this kid has tremendous upside, strong arm, good accuracy, can throw on the run, ran a 4.58/40, he was a WR and in only 19 starts turned himself into a QB and learned a pro-style WC offense, that shows he is a one hell of a worker and is willing to do whatever it takes to succeed and he can adapt, is he raw? hell yea he is, but in a year or 2 this kid is gonna be a straight beast and I'm willing to pull the trigger instead of playing it safe again on kirk cousins or weeden.
     
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    We will stay at 8 or move down.
     
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    One thing I will say is I was wrong with a post I wrote about Tannehill's pocket awareness and feel in the pocket, as this signifies 50% of my grade on a QB.

    Every good QB had terrific feel in the pocket like its 2nd nature. From Favre to Rodgers to Elway to Manning to Marino to Brees.. you name it, they all had it. What happens before you throw the ball is just as important as when and how you throw it.

    Admittedly I rarely paid attention to Texas A&M last year. Remember only watching one game, and in that game Tanny looked poor in the pocket. Obviously he just had a bad week because as I've caught up and watched alot more footage over the past week,.. I've concluded that his pocket feel and awareness is not only adequate, but it is ideal and quite good.

    He is nothing like Gabbert who is god awful in the pocket. John Beck and Chad Henne, both horrid in the pocket and you saw the results. QB's who come out of college with no feel and instincts in the pocket never make it. This criteria and attribute should automatically be 50% of anyone's grade on a QB. And it's why Osweiler will never amount to jack diddly in the NFL. He would be a total waste of a pick
     
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    It will cost the fins a 2nd and a 3rd by the draft points chart.
     
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    Man do you watch football? your opinion is welcomed but come on Man!
     
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    If you don't think he's at least a day 2 pick you have no idea what you're watching
     
  38. phinfan40353

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    As much as some of us would like to see aggressive drafts, history tells us Ireland/Parcells style drafting is about minimizing risk and maximizing value.

    Posted in various places over the net:

    1. He must be a senior, because you need time and maturity to develop into a good professional quarterback.
    2. He must be a graduate, because you want someone who takes his responsibilities seriously.
    3. He must be a three-year starter, because you need to make sure his success wasn’t ephemeral and that he has lived as “the guy” for some period of time.
    4. He must have at least 23 wins, because the big passing numbers must come in the context of winning games.
    Look at the QBs Ireland has drafted or been associated with while here: Chad Henne and Pat White.

    Ryan Tannehill doesn't even come close. Matt Flynn had strong connections to Philbin and we had intimate knowledge of him. Yet the Phins didn't blink when it came to their belief of a fair contract. Tannehill has strong and obvious connections to Sherman. Again, we have intimate knowledge of him. And I don't think we'll draft him any higher than we grade him out. And while I'm sure Sherman has high praise for the kid, it comes down to value and risk. There is a tiny body of work for anyone to judge Tannehill. And I personally believe, our interest in Tannehill is merely a smokescreen. It's a strategical gift horse. We can use it to manipulate the value of our 8th pick.

    I think most of the fans are going to be disappointed yet again. I believe the pick is going to be defense or a lineman. And our sexy draft history will continue to be alive and well.
     
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    If we draft Tannehill, no less trade up for him, I will vomit
     
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    IMO, Clev trading down or KC moving up to 6 or 7 are the biggest obsticles facing Ireland if the pick is to be Tannehill. If Kalil and Blackmon are gone, I think STL may move their pick. Which means that we may have to give up one of our 3rds to move up and get Tannehill at 6. If STL stays at 6, it will probably cost us something like a 4th and 6th to move up one spot with Jack.
     

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