Ahmad Bradshaw interested in Dolphins

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    If not Reggie Bush, then this^^ Bush wouldn't be the answer if we didn't have any RB's but his style best compliments Daniel Thomas' power and vision. Plus adding a 1 play scoring threat to the offense is something we haven't had in some time.
     
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    come on down if the price is right
     
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    I'd take him over Bush ANY day. Sign him up
     
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    With Brandon Jacobs career dwindling, Bradshaw basically inherits the number 1 gig in NY for the forseeable future. NYG want him back, and this smells like smoke to create a bigger payday a la Ryan Clark
     
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    im down. bring this guy in
     
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    I would take Bradshaw over Bush in a heartbeat! Bush has not played a full season since 2005 and the guy is not reliable!
     
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    Bradshaw has very very serious durability issues. He just isn't worth the risk. He isn't going to be a bargain.
     
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    Bradshaw has already won a super bowl, I think he def wants big money and does not care about winning...No way Giants sign him to huge money..Some team is gonna overpay..It maybe Miami.
     
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    that's a new one to me...i know the ball security hasn't always been the best but durability concerns as a pro is not something i'm aware of
     
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    you guys might as well realize that all these guys are gonna say their interested in going to teams...not just miami...bradshaws no fool...he knows miami needs another rb and he knows miami spends money ie dansby and marshall last year so OF COURSE he's interested...why wouldn't he be

    fill in the blank with player name and interested in miami next to it pretty much
     
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    Homeboy has two recurring and lingering stress fractures in both his feet I believe. Has had multiple surgeries to try and correct it every offseason, and still can't figure out how to actually fix it.

    He's a young guy and has never had a full workload even though last year was close... and that's what scares me...

    Young Guy with low mileage has serious injury concerns, a fumbling problem, and is going to cost serious long term dollars...
    the guy has skills, dont get me wrong, but boy thats risky.
     
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    He would be a great complement to Thomas. I say bring him in.
     
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    are you sure this is accurate??? if so then yeah maybe its best we do stay away...at the same time though if he's this much of a medical red flag i would think that would effect his earning potential in free agency something fierce...
     
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    I'm not gonna stake my reputation on it, but ill do some more digging. That was just what I'm pretty sure i remember about it. but i'll get back to you on it real quick.
     
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    (This was written April 15, 2010... so this was written about hte 2009-2010 season)
    http://www.nj.com/giants/index.ssf/2010/04/ahmad_bradshaw_running_again_a.html

    This is what i found hoops. In 2009, He cracked the bone in one foot, and then months later developed the EXACT same injury on the other foot.

    Had a trio of surgeries to correct it, and then i distinctly remember in training camp last year (after months and months after the surgery), him still having serious issues and not being able to practice and possibly missing games. He did however put up his best year, and a stellar one at that, but the foot problems and stress fractures occurred when his work load was minimal.... how sound of an investment could he be if these are issues he's having when his mileage is just starting.

    It seems the verbage i used was a bit excessive, "lingering injuries that can't be fixed by surgeries" because it is possible that more surgeries could fix it. But its also possible he's had previous surgeries and i just cant find them.

    But either way, that scares the bejeesus out of me.
     
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    I also can't seem to find any notion of him needing more surgery or having plans to (or secretly having some already a-la TO's ACL tear). But it would only be sensible since he is trying to cash in big time as a free agent to keep that all hush-hush or wait until after he signs the contract to go ahead and fix it.

    Purely speculation on my part of course, but you never know.
     
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    interesting...that sounds like lis franc jus waiting to happen...if i recall correctly deangelo williams was lost in 2010 due to lis franc surgery on his foot...wow...thats upping the anty on the risk factor

    you would think though and i stress the word think that the physical they get from whatver club that they're gonna join would clear them medically or make the contract void...and you would think whoever does sign thems doctors are gonna fine tooth comb the prior medical history during the evaluation
     
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    If these injuries are available to us the entire league is well aware of the situation. This will cost him money and potential suitors. Hopefully if he is a potential option here our medical staff will make the right call either way it goes. If we say not to go after him and he ends up going relatively cheap elsewhere and is succesful mark up another flop for the south beach medical crew. And if he signs here and this is a issue shame on us.
     
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    i have a hard time seeing bradshaw get $20 million in free agency given this medical news...before i thought it was a virtual lock he would...now i wonder if he'll get half that
     
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    Love the projection here like Thomas is already a top notch RB before ever stepping on the field (nfl).

    Seems like the longer we go with out playing the better our team and players look (Henne)

    GM said early we'd be aggressive in free agency and as time goes on we seem to be mellower and mellower and more positive and excepting of the crap we had last year...............

    Looking forward to seeing if the organization will follow through with that agressive aproach or it was just talk all along..don't really trust anymore......
     
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    I just don't like the idea of signing an expensive high end running back to begin with. You don't get as much value signing a guy who's shelf life is almost guaranteed to be half over already, and for the money, I would much rather find some guy off the street or one of the undrafted free agents from this years draft for a fraction of the price and more available years.
     
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    that's exactly how you end up constantly looking for talent at the position in the first place...by placing little emphasis on it...i agree money on a rb is a dicey proposition but these guys are productive nfl players...high end guys...the health risks are there no doubt but you have to be smart with the contract...give yourself an out later in the deal when the level of play is likely to fall off...put as much money in the up front bonus as you can and a low salary that escalates every year and by year 4 you can cut the guy usually without taking a massive cap hit...just be smart about it...if the medical doesn't fly stay away...its that easy...rbs are gonna get hurt anyways...its just a part of playin the position and taking that much contact...comes with the territory...although there definitely reaches a point where the risks outweighs the reward in that regard

    one things for sure...these guys are difference makers...they make plays...i've seen enough run of the mill running backs like lex hilliard etc...we need a difference maker...and i don't see it on the udfa list and definitely not on these washed up street fossil free agents
     
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    I haven't dug into the UDFA list since the draft, but i'm just from the school of thought about A. usually not drafting a RB with a top pick (i know how you feel about ingram) and B. history shows that mid round drafted running backs and undrafted guys find their way to being good runningbacks.

    I'm not saying that who we pick up is going to be on the same level as Adrian Peterson, but whats the true upside of signing Bradshaw or Deangelo? we aren't signing them to be top 5 or even top ten. We are signing them to be part of a committee.

    So for the role we are looking to fill for them, you go find someone with half the wear and tear, a fraction of the price, and spend that money else where.

    Ideally, we hand the reins to Daniel Thomas who follows the 3rd round mold of Ray Rice, Frank Gore, Maurice Jones Drew. ..... hopefully.
     
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    keep in mind though when you see contract #'s like 5 years and $20 mil for these change of pace/combo backs in free agency they're likely not gonna see all that money unless you put together a bad contract or they contniue to produce at a high level...the guaranteed money is what you got to worry about cap risk wise pretty much...

    if i can get an ahmad bradshaw for $8 mil guaranteed on a 5 year $20 mil deal assuming his medical goes off without a hitch thats a pretty damn good investment...
     
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    I think you might be overthinking it. Players develop medical problems. You can't find me a player that's been in the league four years that doesn't have some lingering medical problem that will never be pain-free. Removing bone spurs from an ankle isn't even relevant to the discussion, IMO. It's a nothing surgery, elective. I believe they did it just because they could, as he was already in recovery for the pins he had put in his metatarsals. Sort of like if you're replacing a head gasket in your engine you might as well replace the timing belt and the water pump while the mechanic has half the engine taken apart anyway, because the additional cost is minimal and if one of them goes then they have to take half the engine apart again and the cost won't be so minimal.

    The pins are there to stabilize a problem. To my knowledge, it's stabilized. Will he have pain? Yeah. But look at the guy's history. He played 15 games in 2008, 15 games in 2009, and 16 games in 2010 despite being fresh off the pin surgery and despite "reports" of him having issues in camp (we've seen those kinds of "reports" before, he put paid to them by playing 16 games). I believe the games he missed in 2007 might have been suspension-related not injury-related. He plays through pain, he deals with problems and still puts himself on the football field. That's an important quality to have, at least as important as a totally clean injury history on a 4 year veteran tailback which you're not going to find pretty much ever.

    He's only had one year of carrying the load and that was last year. It's not like he carried the load once and then was never the same again. We don't know of any medical problems he's got going on this off season. He doesn't have a whole lot of tread on the tires. I think Ahmad Bradshaw is the kind of player that is poised to become a breakout player, if he's not already.

    If I were the Dolphins I'd be more concerned investigating his character history than his injury history. You don't want him to become a different person when he gets money.
     
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    I feel ya,

    I know we have about 12 Million in cap space right now. but dont know if the rookies hvae been factored into that.
    And on the to-do list is to restructure Cam Wake's deal i think.
    But if it were me, im seriously looking into creating some big space to make a run at either of the Falcons FA guards or even cutting Carey and making a run at Yanda to replace him.
     
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    yeah...i think you're right...and on the off field stuff didn't ahmad do like 60 days in jail on an assault or something just last offseason???
     
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    i wish i could see that in the cards but i don't with daniel thomas
     
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    I forget what it was, there was some kind of suspended sentence where he had to serve time for something he did a long time ago or something like that, even before he got into the NFL.

    But yeah that would be my concern, what "strike" is he on with Roger Goodell and how likely do you feel he'll be to screw up again, and also does he have bad character to where the pain he played through and the stuff he went through on his rookie contract, he won't go through that stuff on a veteran contract.
     
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    What up CK.

    The bone spurs is a total non-issue, i totally agree. That is just a clean up procedure that goes on just about every time somebody has foot or ankle surgery.

    But the history part, to your point, is the exact reason im concerned. He developed not 1, but 2 stress fractures during a year he didnt really carry the load. The doctors went so far as to tell him to change the way he ran, that his natural running motion could possibly have caused them.

    He absolutely played through the pain, and thats a great quality to have. But after one year of carrying the load, (and he still conceded plenty of carries to that big waste of a lug Brandon Jacobs), he still wasnt recovered.

    If i'm going to give a guy a long term lucrative deal, his injury status better look good. And it's not like we have the best doctors.....lol

    Who knows as he gets older and more carries how the feet act. Just my worry
     
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    i think he did jail time last offseason for something...i seem to recall him missing mini camps due to it
     
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    haha i dont see him being in the mold of those running backs either, but hes a one cut guy and we're putting in a zone blocking one cut system i believe. so hopefully the pieces fit.
    my biggest concern is the fumbling.
    I still think Leshoure was the best back out of this class, and would have been a moster for us.
     
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    The Dolphins are losing three tailbacks this off season to free agency. They replaced one in the Draft. By rights they should be looking at taking two this free agency. But I could see them taking one and then having two or three UDFA runners compete with Kory Sheets for a roster spot. We've also heard reports that Jeff Ireland thinks Lex Hilliard could be a starting tailback, whereas Tony Sparano isn't so sure.

    If you get Ahmad Bradshaw and then sign guys like DuJuan Harris and Brandon Saine as UDFAs to compete with Kory Sheets, I think you've done well on the position.

    If, as feared, Bradshaw is just using us to get a sweeter deal from the Giants, and he gets re-signed during that 72 hour window...then I think you have to switch focus to DeAngelo Williams, but be prepared to lose him to the Broncos or a team like that. In that case, Brandon Jackson is the last guy I can think of that's worth targeting and if I'm getting down beyond him, then I'm starting to re-think my strategy of letting Ronnie Brown go. I didn't like how Brown played in 2010 but part of me wonders if he wasn't going easy because he was really afraid of getting hurt again which would kill his FA value.
     
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    MARK INGRAM...book it
     
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    yeah...i've heard the broncos are gonna go hard after deangelo...but brandon jackson??? UGH...if thats the case then i do go spend my money on something other than rb
     
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    :D We talked about it back around draft day, and I booked it then.

    I don't see it. Ron Dayne 2.0

    Had an UNREAL offensive line at 'Bama and to be honest I think his running mate Trent Richardson is going to be an absolute monster.
     
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    I think Bradshaw resigns with the G-men. They have already stated he's their number 1 offseason priority and the guy is in a system with weapons, .. in New York. Don't seem him leaving.

    Deangelo is a good running back when healthy...... when healthy.... when healthy... lol i dont see the bang for the buck. and after that the class is pretty ugly. Im hoping for money spent elsewhere.
     
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    Based on what?

    From the looks of it he developed stress fracture issues in his feet in 2009 that were corrected with pins after the season was over. He then went on to have a season where he touched the ball 21+ times a game and played all 16 games.

    Are you sure you're not just losing the forest for the trees here? The surgery to stabilize the bones that kept wanting to get stressed too much, seems to be a smashing success. He had a problem, he had it fixed, he went on to be an effective bell cow (what else do you call a guy with 21+ touches per game?).

    And by the way, I don't think you should be characterizing his sharing carries with Brandon Jacobs in 2010 as being a function of Bradshaw's durability or lack of talent. That's not being fair. The Giants gave Brandon a nice big contract a few years ago and he also happens to be one of the best red zone and power runners I have ever seen.
     
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    ron dayne...what the heck... :sidelol:

    you're killin me!!!
     
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    bradshaw and deangelo are the only 2 i'd spend $20 mil on...everyone else half that...if that...at best...sproles no thanks...michael bush...ehhh...i think daniel thomas brings a lot of that to the table minus the top end speed...
     
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    I think he's an underrated back. He always scores good marks on his pass protection. He catches balls out of the backfield. He consistently makes a tackler miss on 1 out of 7.5 touches. Yeah he only had 3.7 yards per carry this year but they haven't exactly had great OL success over there. James Starks did no better, like 3.8 yards per carry. Kuhn had only 3.2 yards per carry. Dmitri Nance was like 2.6 yards per carry. They have kind of a weird situation up there where they gave Ryan Grant a lot of money and at the same time with Aaron Rodgers there, they don't need terribly talented tailbacks to get the job done...so why bother trying to keep a guy like Jackson?

    I think he's worth looking into
     
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    Michael Bush would absolutely be worth spending money on from a talent perspective but it doesn't matter, as he's an RFA according to John Clayton. He received a 1st & 3rd round tender. I think the league considers him to only have accrued 3 seasons not 4 seasons.
     
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    the difference is we need talented rbs unlike the pack with rodgers...we have no real high end qb to get by with average skill position players at rb like the pack have...and brandon jackson lacks explosion...yeah he's pretty solid in pass pro and what not and he can take some carries but i see no wow factor there...at least the 7th round kid last james starks had some explosive quality to his game...despite lacking vision big time

    i just think jacksons meh...not much better than what we have returning and if i'm not really upgrading whats the point???
     
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    you got to be nuts to give up a 1st and a 3rd for michael bush...but leave it to the raiders to overstate their players value...they think they're guys are solid gold it seems
     
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    I think Brandon Jackson is prime example of the type of guy that people didn't think would be a free agent because they thought the new CBA would maintain the 6 years until free agency rule at least through this year, but now all the sudden is an unrestricted free agent. And if thinks fall through with Bradshaw I'd consider giving Jackson a call for sure. Still have to watch more of him though.
     
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    if you see any wow factor with the ball in his hands let me know...the pack keeps using picks on the position cause they have guys that all lack something...and with jackson its explosion and wow factor...i can find that same level aspect of his game anywhere
     
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    Im not saying Bradshaw didn't carry a big load last year, he absolutely did and he unequivocally delivered (sans fumbles). The sharing the load with Bjack is not a function of eithers skill or durability or lackthereof, I meant it in relevance to the fact that he was still in a pretty decent time share, and the jury is still out on whether his body will hold up in the long run.

    The surgery to stabalize his feet, if im remembering correctly, took a lot longer to heal than initially thought, and he was supposed to be relatively pain free during the season, and i dont think that was the case.
    He's a gamer, and has the skills, no doubt. But relative the contract it might take to grab him, is it really worth it for us?
     
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    Over/Under yards and TD's this year (with reggie staying)
    Over/Under yards and TD's this year (reggie gone)

    :)
     
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    reggie is gone bro...he's got like an $11 mil cap number if he stays...he's gone
     

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