"Air Apparent" on the way...

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  1. vt_dolfan

    vt_dolfan E tū iho nei, tū iho nei, hī!

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    For all the crud from last year..and all the growing pains we have to endure this year....we can all get a little excited knowing that FINALLY...."Praise The Lord"...we will have someone address the QB situation in Miami.

    Saban and Mueller will find us the next one...or will at least make the appropriate effort we have not had since Shula.

    Im hopin myself for Rivers...but no matter who it is.......its just awsome knowing that the change is coming.........


    WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTT!!!

    Theres somethin to be positive about!!!!!
     
  2. derek

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    I'm hoping for Brees. Rivers hasn't proven anything yet, but I did like him in college.
     
  3. outlawd2u

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    I'm hoping For D-Brickashaw Ferguson, and the Best option at QB we can get after that, but if we're going to spend a #1 draft pick on a QB, AND the Rumors are true(which I still don't think they are) then we need to get..............CULLPEPPER!!!!!!!
     
  4. LarryFinFan

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    I think Rivers has much more upside than Brees. He is physically a much better QB. He hasn't gotten a chance to unseat Brees. That is why he hasn't 'proven' anything yet. The reason I would prefer Rivers is because it is a concern that Brees was so bad his first few years, that they had to draft Rivers. Now, there is no denying that he has come on and played decently for the last year and a half, but what about those 3 years he couldn't get a pass to anyone ??

    Rivers may be the same, who knows, but at least the reason why he hasn't proven anything in the pros is that he's had Brees in front of him...???

    At any rate, it'll be interesting to see if Rivers is actually available. The Bolts have to choose between the two...Rivers won't be happy behind Brees again next year and Brees won't be happy w/o a long term contract. AJ Smith and Marty can't seem to agree on who to keep and who should stay...gonna be interesting no matter what. The good thing is that from a cap viewpoint, we can make a move on someone this year....
     
  5. Mbs3009

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    :evil: I'd like to see us pick up Ferguson in the draft and give Tim Couch a shot.
     
  6. finmann

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    At any rate, it'll be interesting to see if Rivers is actually available. The Bolts have to choose between the two...Rivers won't be happy behind Brees again next year and Brees won't be happy w/o a long term contract. AJ Smith and Marty can't seem to agree on who to keep and who should stay...gonna be interesting no matter what. The good thing is that from a cap viewpoint, we can make a move on someone this year....[/QUOTE]


    Do you know who wants Rivers and who wants Brees?
     
  7. Schleprock

    Schleprock Mad and Surt...Legendary

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    "Heir Apparent"
     
  8. vt_dolfan

    vt_dolfan E tū iho nei, tū iho nei, hī!

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    Hmmmm.....now think about how I wrote it......it was "Air" apparent for a reason....:)
     
  9. vt_dolfan

    vt_dolfan E tū iho nei, tū iho nei, hī!

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    God...the scenarios are enough to make me want to hurry up and get to the offseason.....its like wondering what your gonna get under the X Mas tree!!! All of these scenarios sound so much more damn appealing than anything we have had since Marino!
     
  10. phinking

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    There's only one problem; we have to endure Gus Forgot this year.
     
  11. LarryFinFan

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    Do you know who wants Rivers and who wants Brees?[/QUOTE]


    The scuttlebutt is that AJ wants Rivers and of course, they have a long term contract and have paid out some $18 m to have Rivers sit on the pine. AJ doesn't want to pay out a big contract for Brees and have to eat the paid out money for Rivers. If they trade Rivers, sure they'll get good compensation for him via draft pick(s), but the bonus money paid to Rivers will be accellerated to 2006 which takes a big chunk out of the cap. The real issue for Marty is (assming Brees continues his decent play thruout this year) that Marty would be hard pressed to convince the rest of the team to make a change...Afterall, if you trade or cut the leader of your team, what does that say to the rest of the team. There is an obvious power struggle going on there (Marty didn't know about the Feeley deal until after it happened ?). Maybe LT21 can chime in on more specifics and reasons for the struggle, but it is apparent. It's going to interesting because we could be a player for whichever QB is cut....It would be easier for us to acquire Brees if he is let loose (no comp. back to SD), but Rivers might be the better QB, we don't really know...
     
  12. LarryFinFan

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    Yea, I even figured it out...
     
  13. Superself

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    I hope we do not get Rivers. He has been a bust so far in San Diego...and I hear Charger fans can't wait to offload him onto some desperate team willing to give up the world for him.
     
  14. finfan82

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    I think Rivers has shown some good skills from what little of him I have seen. I do know that Culpepper(sp)? would not be a good pickup. First off the guy has small hands which leads to more fumbles. This is shown because he has as many, if not more fumbles than he has starts in his career. The media reported a little while back that him losing his center this year was a bigger impact than him losing Moss. So I think if he came here with our quality o-line (sarcasm) he would just continue that trend of fumbling. Thats just my opinion
     
  15. Fran2fin

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    This might lower his asking price......:lol:
     
  16. StLouisFinFan

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    How can you bust when you're sitting the bench behind a very good QB? Great statement.
     
  17. The Rev

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    We need to remember that there is still over half the season to be played. Many things can happen from here to there. Some quarterbacks will suddenly become "great" and others will "dropoff". As far as the draft is concerned it's a crap shoot anyway. (i.e. Ryan Leaf).

    To be perfectly honest, I have no idea if Rivers is better than Brees or how much what his value is or if Lienart, Young or Quinn will fit in our system.

    But (almost done ramblin') it's going to be one heck of a ride with all us (supposed) great talent evaluators in this forum. :D
     
  18. arsenal

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    personally id want carr, or a rookie... ive never been really into rivers, id take brees over him any day of the week...

    and larry, the reason brees wasn't as good his first 3 years was A) the league is funny in how you SHOULDNT EXPECT ROOKIES AND INEXPERIENCED PLAYERS TO DOMINATE RIGHT AWAY! i swear you people dont realize that 75% of rookies and inexperienced players and id say 99% of QBs do not dominate immediately... it takes time, experience, adjusting, actual game snaps, etc... brees struggled as any young qb would be expected too, not to mention the talent around him wasn't so good, which also makes it tougher to succeed...
     
  19. fishypete

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    I wouldn't count on it....my belief is they already traded for the QB of the future...at least in their minds. I fully expect to see Lemon touted as the future...while they draft players, to play around him.
     
  20. N-E-O

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    Bench Bust ??


    How can you be a bust when you are holding the clipboard? We really don't know if he will be good or not but a bust? Come now ... Give the guy some respect....He was an excellent college player that elevated his team while he was there...Look at NC State this year. The would LOVE to have that bust back!
     
  21. derek

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    Me too, but if we are going to spend big money, I'd rather be more certain about the guy. Rivers has had 2 training camps to unseat Brees and hasn't pulled it off. Maybe he hasn't had enough chances, but that seems a bit crazy for a top 5 pick. Who knows?

    If you were in SD's shows, which would you keep?
     
  22. fishfan34

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    I'm just excited to know that with this coach and GM, we know they'll go after the best QB they can get and I think we'll all be pretty satisfied regardless of who it is.
     
  23. Motion

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    I'm hoping for a FA QB, so we can use our first couple picks on Oline and Secondary.
     
  24. BigDogsHunt

    BigDogsHunt Prove It!

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    The more I analyze what Saban did for this Franchise in the 2005 draft, and FA in the offseason, and trades during this season, the more I am convinced that he has consistenly maximized potential to find players that fit his scheme.

    I have read countless threads about how we should have drafted a QB in 2005, but hindsight shows that no QB would have improved this team in place of the player he did take. The obvious one brought up is taking Daniels two slots infront of where the Bears took Orton. But with the OLine issues, and our Defensive back issues I see Daniels being better for the long term health of this franchise than Orton.

    Now injuries after the draft have shown the Daniels pick to be a more fornuate selection but I chalk that up to luck of the draw. But I still think Saban knew that the OLine may not be where he wanted it, even with Hudson teaching them, and a FA veteran knowing the playbook would be the best bandaid you could put than a rookie QB (even if he was holding a clipboard and waiting his turn).

    I think Orton or any other rookie QB wont be the best talent at QB that Saban will either draft in 2006, or find via FA, or with the trade of a guy like Lemon. Lemon is a total unknown, but what Saban liked was that atleast the pieces to a possibly very good QB are present in Lemon, its simply a question of developing those pieces into a complete, consistent offering that will determine if he is the future QB or just another experiment. But thats ok for a yound 3rd string QB.

    What I do like is a young Ronnie Brown at RB as the selection. For this reason, even with a questionable (but slightly improved OLine thanks to Hudson's teaching) Ronnie has found some holes, and created some holes and shown power and speed. A combination that great winning franchises have on their roster.

    Selecting a RB for the future with the Oline we have currently is easier to defend than a drafting a QB for the future (and based on our 2-4 record you know Fans would be screaming for the rookie to take snaps just like they are for Sage or Lemon to get a chance).

    Saban will continue to improve the OLine and get a QB, where the draft talent will be more favorable than the QB draft talent was in 2005. Clearly 2005 was a RB draft. 2006 & 07 are shaping up to be a QB draft. But our QB could easily come via FA and he uses draft picks for other areas.

    Fortunately, he has his RB and some young Defensive players. He can tweat the D additonally in this offseason (plus those coming back from injury will be significant contributors in 2006+), and more importantly he will focus on the OLine, QB, and receiver positions in the draft or FA.

    I clearly see the benefit of this method to his madness.
     
  25. Fletch

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    The scuttlebutt is that AJ wants Rivers and of course, they have a long term contract and have paid out some $18 m to have Rivers sit on the pine. AJ doesn't want to pay out a big contract for Brees and have to eat the paid out money for Rivers. If they trade Rivers, sure they'll get good compensation for him via draft pick(s), but the bonus money paid to Rivers will be accellerated to 2006 which takes a big chunk out of the cap. The real issue for Marty is (assming Brees continues his decent play thruout this year) that Marty would be hard pressed to convince the rest of the team to make a change...Afterall, if you trade or cut the leader of your team, what does that say to the rest of the team. There is an obvious power struggle going on there (Marty didn't know about the Feeley deal until after it happened ?). Maybe LT21 can chime in on more specifics and reasons for the struggle, but it is apparent. It's going to interesting because we could be a player for whichever QB is cut....It would be easier for us to acquire Brees if he is let loose (no comp. back to SD), but Rivers might be the better QB, we don't really know...[/QUOTE]

    I would prefer Rivers, but you bring up an excellent point. It would be easier to pick up Brees and we would still have our #1 pick. We have too many holes to trade for Rivers, which would require us to give up our #1 and more. It's a much better business decision to try and acquire Brees through FA and use your draft picks to make this team better. Look at what Jimmy Johnson did in Dallas with all the draft picks. He didn't waste picks to sign one big name player. If we want to be good for the next decade or so, we need a number of great players not just one really great player.
     
  26. mbsinmisc

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    I wonder if Steve Mcnair will garner any attention from the fins?
     
  27. Bellson

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    and with the first overall pick in the NFL draft, the Houston Texans select Matt Leinart out of USC. with the 2nd overall pick in the NFL draft, the Minnesota Vikings select Reggie Bush out of USC and trade their 2007 1st round pick for Phillip Rivers of the Chargers. That opens Daunte up for trade bait. I'd love to see ol' Culpepper in a Dolphins jersey. He's a beast on the field, has a strong arm, is still young, and has experience underneath his belt. Yea he's not having the greatest year but what quarterbeck would look the same after losing the best NFL WR. Plus the guy is a FL native that graduated from UCF. If he's on the market, we better make an offer to bring him to Miami. And yes, he's worth a 1st round pick in my opinion.
     
  28. BigDogsHunt

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    Bellson -

    If it actually worked out this way, my jaw would hit the floor, then I would pick it up and shout...woohoo....!

    Just think the exact likelyhood is slim to none!
     
  29. arsenal

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    i think minny would go nuts if they could get reggie bush, but they wont be picking second with san fran playing how they are playing... not to mention the jets, browns, packers in that mix...

    plus the jets would love to get bush with martin finally slowing down, san fran would love to have him too... so theyd probably have to trade up to get bush...
     
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  31. Bellson

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    san fran just drafted frank gore last year. Bush is definitely going to be the 1st or 2nd overall pick in the draft. Gore was a proven back at UM and has already showed signs of being a good back this year running behind kevin barlow. I dont think they'll go after another RB. Yea Minny getting the 2nd overall pick is a long shot especially after last weeks perfromance coming back and beating the Packers. And as already mentioned the play of teams like the Browns and Jets will have them up in the top pick mix. All in all though, it'd be a great day in Miami if we could work something out to get ahold of Culpepper.
     
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    Reggie Bush may not be the 1st or 2nd overall pick, he's small and I don't think he is the type of back to carry the ball 20-25 times a game, but like Weis said he is more of a Faulk type back. Depending on who picks at the top Laurence Maroney maybe the 1st running back taken. I think GB is in for a long season and they will take either Bush/Maroney in the top 5.
     
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    YES, AND HE PLAYS IN A DOME FOR 8 GAMES NO RAIN. IT RAINS ALOT IN FLORIDA.
     
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    I have heard the same knock about his small hands...but you only hear about them if they lose (or he gets hit and fumbles)...you never hear about his hands when he runs and doesnt fumble or when he airs it out. All players have some weakness that the media loves to pick at like a scab when that player or the team doesnt play well.

    However, if we picked up someone that our coaches felt was the QB of the future.....no way our existing line stays the same next year and doesnt get the attention it deserves to be upgraded.

    No new QB will be playing with this exact line next year!
     
  35. SF Dolphin Fan

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    I think Rivers is a possibility, but I think drafting a quarterback is more likely. I just don't think Miami wants to give up draft picks and San Diego will ask for a lot. But you're right that position will be a high priority in the offseason -- it has to be at this point.
     
  36. fishypete

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    I seriously doubt that Saban will spend a high draft pick either by draft or trade for a QB. He's not looking for a QB to be the guy to win games....he's looking for a manager of the game that won't lose games. He'll either bring in another experienced QB that won't cost much...and my best guess he'll get Lemon ready for next season. Saban will use his draft picks to build his team...not to acquire one player.
     
  37. vt_dolfan

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    What about our offense gave you that idea. Hmmm..the fact that in key situations last week..with a running back averaging of 6YPC..we decided to air it out? I think he would want nothing less than a QB he can build this franchise on. Look..for the most part...you dont win Super Bowls with a QB that wont lose games.

    Lets look at some of the recent winners:

    Tom Brady
    Brad Johnson
    Trent Dilfer
    Kurt Warner
    John Elway
    Brett Favre
    Steve Young
    Troy Aikman


    Dilfer is the quintesential..wont win but wont lose QB. He and Johnson got their rings because of outstanding D's. The rest...with the exception of Warner..all hall of famers..and Warner was on his way to being one when injuries got the best of him.

    You need a Pro Bowl caliber QB to win it all in this league. Not a hall of famer..but a Pro Bowl caliber. Saban knows this and that is why between he and Mueller they will do their best to find us the next QB that will bring us the trophy!!!
     
  38. LoneWulF

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    man id take culpepper in a heart beat. thats my no.1 choice any day. if not him id like to give lemon a shot and bring in a vet backup like patrick ramsey who can compete with him to start. i really like lemon though. anyone whos been watching lemon will tell you at least that he has enormous upside. rivers would be my third option. i dont think hes an extremely amazing qb, but hes a hell of an athlete and competitor. other than that i like brady quinn over leinhart, and id rather give elmon a shot than draft vick or vince young.
     
  39. fishypete

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    Saban will follow his mentors lead....he'll find a QB without using all his ammo.
    If you look at his college QB's...none were great....but they were managers of the game...and were surrounded by great talent. Thats the direction I see Saban and Mueller taking in the future for the Dolphins.
     
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    I'm not sure "bust" is the right word for it. It's the same situation as Ronnie earlier in the season. People called him a bust simply because he lacked game experience and wasn't comfortable yet, now look at him, he's playing on a regular basis and cruising right along. It even looks as if he is IMPROVING each week (which make sme wonder where he'd be right now if he got more touches, or hell, even if he was there for the full training camp). If I had to pick between the two I'd pick Brees, just because he has more game experience, plus I have wanted him since the draft. That doesn't mean Rivers will be bad, he just isn't proven yet. I'd rather grab a QB in free angency and draft one in the draft and have him learn the ropes while our FA QB runs the ship for a few seasons, so by the time his contract runs out the drafted QB will be ready to take over.
     

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