Andrew Luck & Brandon Marshall wouldn't get along anyway. Serious personality clash..

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  1. normaldude

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    Andrew Luck = humble, stable, team-oriented professional.

    Brandon Marshall = emotionally unstable diva-receiver.

    I think it would be a serious culture clash.
     
  2. normaldude

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    It should also be noted that Brandon Marshall had his best two seasons with Jay Cutler, who came out of college as an arrogant gunslinger. A QB like that is a better personality fit with Brandon Marshall.
     
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    Hmmm....I'm not seeing what the issue is here.

    Get rid of that bum Brandon Marshall.
     
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    Now you're gonna get it. It was clearly Moore's fault. He was "awful"; it's been all over the net.
     
  5. normaldude

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    Sure, if the team is willing to accept the fact that we gave him $24 million guaranteed.

    That's a lot of money to flush down the drain.
     
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    They don't have to be bestest buddies.

    They just have to throw and catch, respectively.
     
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    So what are you suggesting
     
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    Yeah you're right, we probably shouldn't draft Luck when we get the #1 pick. Who would fit in with Marshall the best? We should draft that guy.
     
  9. Shouright

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    Personality clashes can be overcome by a strong winning culture fueled by respected, long-time leaders.

    I've seen personality clashes between Tom Brady and Randy Moss, and between Tom Brady and Chad Ochocinco, be won by Brady both times, to the point that Moss and Ochocinco's "diva" ways diminish down to nearly nothing.

    What's responsible for that? The Patriots' culture, and Brady's standing as its leader.

    Now, I'm not foolish enough to think that a rookie QB can come right in and assume that kind of status, so I'm definitely on board with jettisoning Marshall ASAP, for that reason and others.

    Essentially Marshall would need to be cleared out of the way so that Luck, if he's indeed the choice, can come in and develop into the team leader without being impeded by Marshall.

    And that development of leadership in the franchise QB is so important that it's worth sacrificing a player with the physical talent of Marshall IMO.

    You can always find a physically talented WR later. What you can't do is do over the first few years of development of your franchise QB, the ones that determine his trajectory as the team leader and his status within your team's culture.
     
  10. normaldude

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    No, I'm saying that we shouldn't promote "Suck 4 Luck". It fosters a terrible loser-mentality that could persist for decades.

    Even if we go 0-16, and Andrew Luck could easily decide that he doesn't want to play in Miami.

    - He'll have a lot of leverage coming into the draft. Just like John Elway did.

    - He may not want to join a trainwreck 0-16 team with a loser attitude.

    - He has said that he doesn't want to play for teams that have "Suck 4 Luck" fans.

    - He may not want to play on a team where his #1 target is an emotionally unstable diva-receiver.

    And he may do what John Elway did, and clearly state that he won't play for the worst team (in this case, a 0-16 Miami Dolphins).

    Either way, I don't think it's a good idea to create a culture of losing-for-draft-picks, on the hopes that Andrew Luck will save us, because there's a good chance he won't want to play here.
     
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    Sooooo....keep Marshall, keep sucking, and in turn, waste a lot more than $24M?

    Does not compute.
     
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    do you know these guys personally
     
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    Well, if we go this route then we should bring Ryan Leaf out of retirement.
     
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    Is that a requirement?
     
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    I can agree with most of that. So what I'm saying is..

    1) Fin fans need to chill out with the "Suck 4 Luck" crap. It's self-destructive. Think about how Andrew Luck thinks & talks. For fans to promote "sucking" is an insult to all the Miami Dolphins players & coaches. Focus on winning, and encourage winning.

    2) If we happen to go 0-16, and have the #1 draft pick, and Andrew Luck is willing to play here, then yes, let's draft him, and consider trading Brandon Marshall. But let's not talk about this until the season is over.
     
  16. Shouright

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    Andrew Luck needs to come back to reality and realize that the fans of the league's worst teams have little else to hope for right now.

    I suppose he wants to be drafted highly and therefore by a team that's playing very poorly, but whose fans are so superhuman that despite how poor their team looks to be all year, they have no hope to draft Luck.

    That's actually somewhat of a black mark against Luck IMO. It shows he has a pretty naive view of reality and of human nature.

    Not a real mature sentiment IMO.
     
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    yes if you're talking about personalities and can they get along
     
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    I mean, it's no secret that guys with personalities like Luck and Marshall clash.

    That's just common sense.

    That's why when we choose women to date, we can pretty much tell who we'd get along with and who we wouldn't and justify why we wouldn't risk it...without knowing that person.

    Brandon is the kind of guy that always needs the football. He has to have 100+ and a score every game or he's not happy. Winning isn't enough for that guy if he's not in the spotlight. He's demonstrated this time and time again.
     
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    No, it's a personality type.

    Andrew Luck is a competitor, and he can't relate to fans who want their team to lose, so they can get good draft picks.

    Andrew Luck is the type of guy who would be happy to join a 0-16 team of physically weak kids, who played with heart, and always fought to win.

    He just can't relate to people who would roll over, give up, and look for a draft-pick welfare handout.
     
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    IMO Marshall wouldn't be that hard to get along with- for anyone. You just have to account for the unique psychology of him, but also the unique mindset from many UCF players as well.

    As a former Golden Knight, there was always this shadow cast over our school from FSU, UM, and UF. In this light, many UCF'ers can tend to be a bit rogue-ish, independent-minded, a bit exuberant in self-proclamations, and seemingly very proud. This can come off as "diva"-like but it really can be rooted to the high ambition to prove the greater, and truer, worth of oneself from out of the unwanted shadows cast over them. It's like a deeply embedded up-start/underdog mindset looking to find validation/recognition or to constantly build up one's prestige and social value. UCF is a thriving school, but it is still young in comparison to the others. Like it's city in which it resides, it hasn't plateaued- just continues to grow into something bigger.
    It has nothing to do with selfishness, or team concept, but an untapped potential.

    From that perspective, it's easier to read Marshall bravado, and also when he enters the up-start mindset that sometimes needs coddling or recognition. Just realize, that like in Denver, when used properly (new OC plz), he can be a power to be reckoned with.

    Just sayin'...
     
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    This losing mentality that people talk about is not brought about by Suck 4 Luck. It's brought by having a bad team for a decade.
     
  22. nate

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    opposites do attract
     
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    Not in the business world.

    I hate cliche sayings.
     
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    Wow, is this thread not the pinnacle of speculation.
     
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    Uh, Brandon Marshall has Borderline Personality Disorder.

    I think this goes a little beyond "UCF."
     
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    what wr in the nfl isn't a head case
     
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    Right, so say you wouldn't want to play with players who exhibit "suck for Luck," not fans.

    Of what import is the fans' mentality anyway? How does that affect thing one a quarterback is tasked to do in the NFL?
     
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    That's for romance, and I don't think Andrew Luck is interested in having a sexual relationship with Brandon Marshall.
     
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    My point is, that it's a component to him.

    No one is perfect. But does he have great upside for football play? Absolutely

    Look at Incognito, he was a piece of work coming from St. Louis. Arguably, he was far more destructive to the team-concept and created worse negative media attention on himself- far more than Marshall has ever done to the fins organization.

    So many of you might be just 'hating' on him unnecessarily- similar to the vein of the hating that goes on toward a Lebron or Tebow. All great athletes but all have not plateaued or achieved what is expected of them as of yet- yet get acclaim that may not be justified.

    All Marshall needs to do is not talk to the media so much and you guys will be fine.
     
  30. Shouright

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    I think when you compare it to a fairly severe mental disorder that's woven into the very fabric of his personality, it's a very weak one.
     
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    Because fans are part of the team culture.

    If the Miami Dolphins players come charging out of the tunnel, and are greeted by thousands of Miami fans wearing "Suck 4 Luck" t-shirts, and knowing that the Miami fans want them to lose, that can influence their desire to win. After all, if the fans want them to lose, the players can easily adopt a "why bother" attitude.

    On the other hand, if the Miami Dolphins players know that millions of Miami Dolphins fans are hoping for a win, that a win will make an entire city happier, they are more likely to do their absolute best to win for their fans.
     
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    Only a mentally weak team would allow the fans to affect them like that.
     
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    Reggie Wayne.
    Andre Johnson.
    Wes Welker.
    Larry Fitzgerald.
    Calvin Johnson.
    Roddy White.
    Stevie Johnson.
    Dwayne Bowe.
    Greg Jennings.

    Continue?
     
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    I don't think fans are any part of a team's culture, and I don't think fans have anywhere near the kind power in relation to the team that you've attributed to them here.

    We'll have to agree to disagree on that one.

    What Luck should be saying IMO is that he realizes many fans of the league's worst teams are going to have a "suck for Luck" sentiment right now, but that he hopes to play for the kind of team whose players react to that by desiring to win games and change their fans' attitudes.

    My version is much more adult-like and much less naive IMO. Then again Luck is in his early 20s and I'm nearly 40.
     
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    Not really, if you take into account how long (as in years and years) he resided in Orlando and how that it is part of what formed his identity. By your comment, you are axing out daily thought over years and years in a place- daily conditions.

    Demographics is an extremely large part of how all people evolve not only as an individuals, but as a community, and on a larger scale how races of people evolve uniquely.
     
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    Most definitely.

    ---------- Post added at 08:43 PM ---------- Previous post was at 08:42 PM ----------

    Not happening dude.

    Borderline Personality Disorder is formed between the ages of zero and about six.

    Orlando shmorlando.
     
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    Not happening with you that is, dude.

    Though it is typical to find convenience in abbreviating and generalizing issues for sure. It makes it easier to understand, digest, and discard.
     
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    "Suck For Luck" is mature and adult-like?

    Sure sounds like something a teenage kid would be chanting.
     
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    You are twisting his words to try to make him seem stupid. He never said Suck for Luck was mature. He said the way he would have handled the question posed to Luck was mature and adult-like.
     
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    Someone's personality is hardly an abbreviation.

    That's pretty "big picture."
     
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    If they won't get along then **** Marshall. We don't need that loser.
     
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    With your judgements, that's the "only picture" you are processing at this point in time.
     
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    I'd be curious if even the biggest BMarsh jockers on this site really think it would be positive for his unstable *** to be demanding the ball from whichever rookie QB we get.
     
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    No, I'm actually fully processing the miniscule one you're proposing, as well, and discounting it completely in comparison to the breadth and depth of a person's personality.
     
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    If this team starts winning Brandon Marshall will be just fine. If they don't he will be a cancer. That is the nature of having a guy like Marshall on the team.
     
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    Problem is, to win consistently, you need a quarterback who's a player and a leader, and Brandon Marshall's very presence may get in the way of the development of that.
     
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    Also it's helpful to consider that he is known to be an above average b-ball player. Alpha basketball players ALWAYS demand the ball. But in basketball, it's not taboo at all for the alpha to do so, as it is in football. That's going to be a part of his personality make-up as well.
     
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    It shouldn't though. A good coach will make sure things don't get that bad. A good QB will say F that guy I am throwing to whoever is open regardless if it pisses him off.
     
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    No no, b/c you are home on a Friday night, you'd rather indulge in a pissing contest. Let us not confuse intellectual discussion with pee-pee jousting.

    go ahead with the one-upsmanship...i know u can not resist
     
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    I don't think that's helpful to know at all. I think if someone has Borderline Personality Disorder, the range of explanations for their behavior that provides is fairly encompassing.

    ---------- Post added at 09:06 PM ---------- Previous post was at 09:05 PM ----------

    I don't think I'm confusing anything.
     

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