Discussion in 'Miami Dolphins Forum' started by DKphin, Jun 25, 2012.
Or, it could be increasing...he´s one of the better blockers we´ve got!!
If we are changing more to a passing offense we need a weapon at the position.
lol. I expect his numbers to go up not down.
It's pretty much the exact opposite, we are going to an up tempo offense, and it has been said that our QBs are favoring our TEs the most. Fasano has good hands, I wouldn't be surprised if our TEs had the most production out of anyone this year.
exactly. get that man out into some space, and double his chances to catch the ball. what's the worst that can happen? drop a few? the best?
well double these numbers...
32 receptions, 451 yards, 5 tds.
and keep his 14.1 Yard per reception.
Total TE production may increase, but I think that Fasano's individual numbers probably will decrease. The last couple years we have had no real complimentary TE...now we might...
Well you'll also have to add in the fact that there's going to be more passing plays this year, plus the fact that Marshall is gone gives someone the chance to get the majority of the catches, I think the QBs will choose someone they trust the most and right now it looks like it's the tight ends.
I wouldn't be surprised at all if Fasano had his numbers go up, that being said, I wouldn't be surprised if Charles Clay made the most of the opportunity.
I agree. He has the potential to put up bigger numbers. For some reason, a lot of fans have been down on him. But this guy has made some HUGE plays for us in his time here. But he hasn't exactly been put in the greatest position to succeed. He can come up big for us.
based on what? fasano has only produced when given the chance.
RIGHT ON!! Fasono is nothing LESS than reliable and COULD be more. The guy IS clutch. F*** anyone who says different. This guy is a play maker and CAN be bigger a play maker. He knows get open. He has made big plays for us. And he can continue to do do it. I like the guy. I once threw to a guy named Patrick Sanders that had the same attributes as Fasasno, He was my the man. He bailed me OUT. And I was THE and was the QB. But he had the same bs $$$$ marks about him. Didn't slow him down. I threw for better than 5000 yards that season ( semi-pro) and he had almost 1400 yards that season (and 17 touchdowns outta my 52). He picked up blocks. He was always there when I needed him. He recognized mismatches. He had it all. And, like Brady, I used him like I used a whore that needed D***. Don't under estimate a man who has something to prove. Fasano has it. And he has the tools.
the national media keeps saying this same crap. its so vague and annoying. its just like last season when "reggie bush was going to be a situational back and d thomas was the feature back" and i got laughed at in my fantasy draft scooping up bush as a swing player - turned out fine for me. Following the dolphins i knew his role.
anyone who follows the local beat writers and has heard the coach etc. knows that Fasano has been solid in ota's so far and the coaches like his hands - it seems he and clay are poised to have a big big year.
I think he is cut in August
I will agree with you on Charles Clay. This will be a great opportunity for him to become more than a "utility" back. However, with Egnew, I am not sure that Fasano will see that much more. I think the ball is going to be spread around more, which is good for guys like Fasano, but I also think the number of weapons used will be increased.
Based on the fact we have a new TE. Mastruud and that other guy were never targets; Egnew should be. He will get some targets which would have gone to Fasano in the past.
No attack on Fasano...just looking at the possible distribution based on the new players.
This is why you're not a GM and a simple fan!!!!
Why would you cut Fasano and leave a 2nd year TE, a rookie, and a basketball player - converted tight end...
why would they cut one of the surest handed TE's in the nfl?
Here is why I think he is a cut in August...
1. He is not a "Philbin guy"
2. Not sure he is a fit in this system
3. He is in the last year of his deal and could free up additional cap money/save the team cash
4. While contract talks have opened with other FA's on this team, they have not with him...
I will remember this thread/conversation in late August.
For the record, I am not a Fasano hater. I think he has been pretty good. I am just making a prediction. We have to understand that Philbin's style of player is going to emerge around here like it or not. I do not think Fasano is a fit.
That's pretty much exactly what I was thinking.
The only one of your reasons that has any validity at all is #3....And that is because it's possible
he'll be traded.
How do you know he's not a "Philbin guy" ? We've got a whole roster full of dudes that
aren't "Philbin guys". How do you know he's not a fit for the system until he gets a chance
to be in the system? He's a decent pass catcher and blocker...Pretty much what you need
a tight end to do, and so far we haven't found anyone that can prove they can do it better
on the roster right now. Considering we'll probably keep three TEs, I'd bet he'd be one of
Now, NEXT August? Hey, who knows? THIS August I think he's a lock.
Here's philbins thoughts on fasano, i know its mini camp coach speak but it sounds like he is the in the plans for this season
If Fasano doesn't have a strong solid year, then he will be offered what his value is , like he gets now, he will accept that or hit the road in 2013.
We've got too many raw, unproven TE's to dump him this year. A few weeks of training camp and 4 preseason games wont be enough for those young guys to push Fasano out the door.
Fasano is the only go-to receiver for a TD on the team ... can't recall any others at the moment.
Fasano is top five all round te.He isnt the seam threat or very flashy,but he is a accomplished blocker,chain mover and has dependable hands.He isnt going anywhere.
Here's a video from 2011 illustrating why I think Anthony Fasano's footprint on the deep middle passing game should actually INCREASE in 2011...rather than decrease, as put forward by Brian Biggane.
Fact of the matter is, after Chad Pennington left the field, and until Matt Moore came back, we did not have a quarterback that could reliably place those up-and-down throws down the seam in the middle of the field. Henne threw a few nice ones before getting injured, but he also struggled on some of them this year, and those passes were practically non-existent from 2009 to 2010. You can blame Dan Henning, and that would be an accurate assessment of blame, but not a complete assessment. Henning was only reacting to the strengths and weaknesses of his quarterback. He called for plenty of those seam passes to Fasano and David Martin in 2008 (just as many to Fasano as Martin, mind you)...but avoided them like PLAGUE from 2009 to 2010.
I will disappointed in my boy Fasano if this happens, I actually think his year will be on a 500 to 600 yard pace if he performs like he should. I am a Fasano supporter, I think this offense actually fits him like a glove. Fasano is a blocker and possession receiver which fits the definition of a west coast TE perfectly.
Clay and Egnew fill a roll more like Craig in the WCO, instead of the hybrid FB/RB Craig played the position has evolved to the hybrid TE/RB style player. Possession and running the ball is still a basic fundamental of the west coast and Fasano fills that TE roll perfectly.
I'm going to have to disagree, with people saying Egnew struggling, and Les Brown not showing much I don't think they would drop Fasano at all. Depending on how Fasano and Clay do this year I think it will tell if he comes back next year or not.
fasano is going to have a great year
Personally I'd be disappointed if his production went down. Think about it, really on our receiving corps I can think of 3 true NFL caliber WRs. That's it and we can't expect them to run all the short routes. Why not get more use of a guy who can get open and catch the ball over the middle consistently? Weird article. I thought TEs can be very effective in the WCO.
Dude- there's a reason why we got Charles Clay and now Michael Egnew- we need seam busting TE's who can run. I like Fasano quite a bit, but he's the blocking beast of the three, not a receiving weapon like Gronk or Hernandez- or anything close to those two. Far more pedestrian. I'll be surprised if his numbers go up significantly. He's a good all around TE, but he doesn't have that much burst and he can't really split the middle of the field effectively. Ergo Clay and Egnew.
I like Fasano, and hope he can reach his potential with this new wide open O
I think Fasano is more athletic than we give him credit for.
I highly doubt we are trying to replace Fasano yet. Green Bay has used sets with up to 4 TEs so we needed a few more.
With fasano being the only hand in the dirt athletic reciever we have im pretty sure he'll stick, see egnew more as just standing up in slot at TE......think they used to be called BIG wide recievers......but now they are just glorified TE;s and clay prob being more of a maybe hand in dirt then motion type. A TE stand up in slot is an automatic cover for a S or OLB, a TE that can release with hand in dirt or run a delay can cause the OLB that would be keepign an eye on him to lose focus. i THINK fasano will be in the mid 50's reception range with prob easily 40 of those catches coming from hand in dirt. I'd love to see egnew turn into a seem threat (i see clay as more of a up and out type guy) but i doubt they waste fasanos talents then let him take his good season into free agency
You're the first guy I've seen describe Clay as an up and out guy and I have to say I absolutely agree. I also see a lot of deep outs in his future simply because he can get to that second level behind LBs so fast, and if you keep him away from the safeties, very few LBs will have a chance to keep up with his agility/speed.
sorry, but all talk is pretty much irrelevant after CK posted this video. The guy gets open in the seam and makes great catches. Dont you remember his beauty against the jets for the division title in 08? dont you remember his year in 08? this guy is one of our most solid players. he has been a true dolphin who has made an impact for our team for the last 4 years. i dont get why a lot of people sleep on him, but again, most of the people seem to be the ones that just dont follow the offseason as closely, b/c they keep citing egnew as the reason, and egnew is clearly not there yet.
Fasano falls into the matt moore catergory. The same brainless, homer powered fans love this guy just like they love matt moore when neither player has NFL level talent. He's not the great blocker you make him out to be just because he's slow and he certainly isn't sure handed. The reason his numbers have been abysmal was because he's not that good. I'd rather see optimism over Clay and Egnew from homer fans than love for this bum.
BTW, a 3 minute highlight tape doesn't change my mind especially when those highlights are repeated over and over. There were maybe 2-3 plays that actually show cased good hands. 7 or so seconds in against NE, pretty awesome play. 32 seconds in against NE, pretty insane throw from hene and a real nice catch and then the one catch down the seem against the raiders was a solid play too. (3:17) I'll add the play against the skins with the nice little move he put on the Lber but that was pretty bad coverage too. Everything else looks like a blown coverage or the other team playing cover 2 and he's wide open for a routine catch. Put a more athletic player in that spot and you're talking real big plays instead of 10-15 yrds.
Second look through, the skins game he had more solid catches too. not gonna list them all.
If anything the video show cases how inaccurate moore was when he was wide open and the long TD against KC shows either fasanos lack of speed or moores poor arm. The long TD in the KC game should have had more air under it and fasno should have had even more seperation to begin with since the LBER blew his assignment so badly.
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Nope, pretty glad Henne is gone too despite with some enourmous coaching he has way more potential than matt moore. Nice try though.
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that picture is hilarious btw. lol
thanks.. and it has been my observation that the majority of blowback against Moore is the result of residual Henne fluffing.
...we may agree about Henne's relative potential - at least below the neck, but certainly not above.
A word to the wise, as a recently joined member you may not be aware that while you're certainly entitled to your opinion, regularly labelling, tarring and slandering those who don't agree in the most insulting, unflattering, undiplomatic terms doesn't really resonate around here with members or staff. :dontknow:
How does your point work if his numbers haven't been abysmal?
He was pretty average in college but you could attribute that to their decline in their overall program. He was a poor mans drew bledsoe and im sure thats what tuna saw in him. I wouldn't be surprised if he turned it around with a better situation because his growth was stunted here with the wildcat and real bad coaches/**** organaization.
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30 something catches for 400 yards? pretty abysmal.