Any danger of Sherman leaving?

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  1. BAdkins159

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    Last year Mike Sherman was a finalist for the Tampa Bay job before losing out at the last minute. Will there be any danger of him getting an offer this year? Hope not because although he is a bit conservitive, I think it could benifit to Tannehill's progress if it is the same system for year 2. If he were to leave, who is the best fit for OC?
     
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    I think there is ZERO chance of him leaving. IMO, he is here for the next few years grooming Tannehill.
     
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    He's too old and he hasn't had much success as a head coach at any level. He destroyed the Packers and TAMU started winning when they got rid of him. He's not going anywhere.
     
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    No team is going to want Sherman as their head coach again. This is his last gig.
     
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    hes been rumored for the chiefs job.
     
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    Why would it be considered "danger"? IMO he did a very average job this year. He needs to do a significantly better job next year.
     
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    Losing Sherman wouldn't be earth shattering. He did a mediocre job imo.
     
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    If Buffalo fires Gailey, I could see Sherman being on their list again. The A list and B list coaches won't want to go to Buffalo, which puts Sherman in play for them.
     
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    If he leaves then so be it. It doesn't matter to me one way or another.
     
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    I dont guess it's a danger but just the Tannehill progression staying on track is what I mean. I wish Sherman would turn him loose a little more but hopefully he will next season.

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    Who else is out there that would be an upgrade?

     
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    Danger? I think it would be a blessing from heaven if he left.
     
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    he was a finalist for Tampa because the team wanted a guy that had experience with younger players, thus the reason why their top 2 were Chip Kelly and Greg Schiano. Kelly actually agreed to coach the Bucs, but backed out at the last second.

    But as Nubs said, if people like Gailey or Mularkey get fired those are the type of jobs he'd get serious consideration from. And honestly, I'll laugh at any team that hires Sherman as a HC. Not because of his playcalling here, but he has been a mediocre HC in both college and the pros. Some of his issues in Green Bay were because he was the GM there as well.

    Now people may say he had a good record in Green Bay, which he did, but the team under performed in the playoffs. He went 12-4 and lost to Mike Vick in Green Bay; first time the Packers had lost a home playoff game ever.

    And while I do think Sherman's playcalling will improve, if he somehow gets a gig as a head coach, I don't think it would set us back that much if at all. Only time I felt losing a coordinator killed us was when Linehan left to coach the Rams.
     
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    I worry a ton about Mike Sherman leaving. He is one of the best things we got going for us and I would hire him as HC in a second.

    It is vital he comes back to work with Tannehill next year.
     
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    There goes Mizfit again, thumbsdowning everyone but not having an opinion of his own. Love the guys who hide behind the curtain.

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    Hahahaha.. Right.. Because he has proven he is such a great HC right.
     
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    If he left, I wouldn't mind getting Norv Turner as OC. He's a lot better offensive coordinator than head coach, and if memory serves me correct, he has been with us before as an oc and did well..
     
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    It is dangerous, because the Dolphins have a young quarterback that they are trying to develop. Continuity definitely has value.
     
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    Hahahaha...Right...Because has has proven to be an excellent HC

    1) 5 consecutive winning seasons
    2) 2nd highest winning % in Packers history
    3) Developer of QB's
    4) Was coach and GM of the Packers
    5) TAMU has three 1st rounders this year in the draft. Who do you think recruited them?

    Yep....Sherman sucks. ****ing unbelievable.

    Miami Dolphin fans are amazing. They ***** in a thread about lack of talent and then go on to complain that the OC cannot call plays.

    I will say it again...Mike Sherman is one of the best things going for the Fins. If Sherman were to leave, let's see how you like Ken O'Keefe as OC. Holy ****.
     
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    Phinadict And away he goes...

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    Being in Hawkeye Land, this scares the living crapola out of me.
     
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    Foxy, if Sherm was sooooo amazing… why'd they score more, win more, play better, scout & aquire better talent, after he was pushed out? just askin
     
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    I have no idea of the politics and happenings of TAMU of why he was pushed out. Maybe Kevin Sumlin needs to show he can win consistently without gravy training Sherman's recruits.

    However, if you are believer in Ryan Tannehill then you better be a Sherman backer.
     
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    Well I will defend Sherman as a coach in the NFL from his time at Green Bay but his Texas A and M part does not even play into the equation, in fact it probably hurts his case.
    25-25 at Texas and 0-2 in bowls.
     
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    Mike Sherman is a quality NFL coach.
     
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    He was pushed out because they were 25wins 25 losses with Sherman and had not won a bowl game with him. He was fired for lack of performance as a coach. Sumlin in one season with a freshman qb took them to a better record than Sherman ever did. As a coach its not good when someone else can take your guys and do a better job with them just saying.

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    Maybe he is but he was not a quality college coach at Texas A and M and was a huge dissapointment to the fans and the alumni.
     
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    Good thing we are on the Miami Dolphins forum, you know a NFL team.
     
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    It will if we end up getting a POS OC afterwards.
     
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    Well his last job will be what teams are looking at for a head coach. Our offense has not been so good that some team will be like you know that Mike Sherman guy we got to hire him. Tampa was the only team looking at Sherman last year as HC and everyone knew they were not going to sign a big name. He is the OC for the 26th ranked offense in the NFL, not the kind of thing that gets u noticed for a head coaching job esp since we will not be having a winning record. If he were the OC for a playoff team, he might be getting notice.

    My point he was not a good head coach in his last stop, his teams were constantly underachieving but I do think he is a much better NFL coach than a college coach.

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    who knows, there will probably be some good canidates out there but I doubt any team hires him this year
     
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    What did you expect our offense to look like with this mediocre offensive roster and rookie QB? I could care less what he did as a head coach in Texas A&M since he's a OC which is completely different but following this logic I guess Saban is a better NFL Coach since he' a beast in college?
     
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    What the hell are u talking about, I was talking about the reasons that Sherman will not be looked at heavily for a head coaching job. As for your Saban comment, if Saban decided he wants to coach he could have basically any opening he wanted and teams would line up to hire him. We are not talking who is the better nfl coach,we are talking who is the more appealing canidate to a team that wants to hire a new coach.

    As for the oc comments Im referring to what would catch the attention of teams wanting to hire Sherman based on the job he has done this year and he has not had enough results in my opinion to get looked at.
     
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    as a counter point..
    1.Despite 5 winning seasons, he backed into the playoffs a lot and a lot of Packer fans feel he underachieved. Bret Favre still somewhat in his prime with a good OL and Ahman Green and Donald Driver in their prime. And his last year was a disaster... oh and it was what? 2005.

    2.Actually fifth behind Lambeau, Lombardi, Holmgren, and McCarthy. He does however, have the worst playoff record of Packer head coaches that have been to the playoffs more than twice (Dan Devine lost his only playoff game and Bart Starr was 1 and 1)

    3.Really? Only QB he coached in college currently on an NFL roster is Ryan Tannehill. He didn't really develop Favre.

    4.He was a HORRIBLE GM. Absolutely horrible. No denying that.

    5. What does that have to do with anything? In recent years Oklahoma State has had Russell Okung, Dez Bryant, Justin Blackmon, and Brandon Weeden go in the first round. Do you want Mike Gundy has a head coach in the NFL?

    I get you like Sherman Hayden, and that's fine. I understand and acknowledge some of his playcalling was limited by the lack of talent we had on offense... but answer me these questions.

    1.Why Did we not involve Reggie Bush in the passing game more?
    2.Why did we rely on Davone Bess as a deep threat when he's by far our slowest WR
    3.Why did we not use Charles Clay more as a mismatch until the second half of the season
    4.Why did we not involve Lamar Miller more on offense?
    5.Why did we abandon the run so much?
    6.Why did we not use Tannehill's athleticism until the last couple games? I understand Tanny got hurt in the 2nd Jets game... but guess what? That was our 6th or 7th game this season.

    His play calling was inconsistent. It is a fair comment to make.

    And his A&M record speaks against him. Before the year I would have said that the Aggie boosters had unrealistic expectations... until Sumlin came in. And yes... they were players Sherman recruited, but it was a completely different system. Under Sherman, the Aggies lost pretty much any big game they played in.

    Now let me be perfectly clear before anybody complains about my post or misinterprets what my position is.
    1.I think having Sherman as the OC will be a strength but losing him will not cripple the development of Ryan Tannehill. We run a West Coast Offense, which Tanny knew quite a bit of. It's not like Joe Philbin wasn't a good OC during his time with the Packers and it's not like we'd be changing what style of offense we run.

    2.Based on the results from 2005 to 2012, I do not see any reason why Mike Sherman would be seriously considered for an NFL head coaching job. He is a quality assistant, yes. But any team that hires Sherman now would be the equivalent of hiring **** Juron to be the head coach of your football team (and **** is a good DC)

    Liking Sherman is easy to back, not liking him is easy to back, but to act like he is God's Gift to the Miami Dolphins is flat out wrong.
     
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    They can have him.:up:
     
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    Bro I respectfully disagree whole heartily. I wasn't for Ryan when we drafted him and I admit that. I have supported him and think he will do great things as our QB. I am not sold on Sherman's play calling at all. When we get more weapons on offense this offense needs to open up. If Sherman were to leave today I wouldn't be upset at all.
     
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    oh and another hole in your argument Hayden with winning percentages as a coach for Sherman. Guess who has the highest winning percentage in Miami Dolphins history? Hint: It's not Shula
     
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    To be very honest you name no good reasons to support your arguement.

    1) 5 consecutive winning seasons with who?
    2) Thats fine, what did he do with the packers to get him fired?
    3) Which QB did he develop in the NFL?
    4) See #2
    5) Who gives a crap who recruited them, who coached these 1st rounders?



     
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    It seems to me that this coaching staff is here to stay and finish what they started. Sherman hasn't done anything to warrant a HC gig, imo. I would bet the house sherman is our OC next year.
     
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    I think you ask legit questions. Some are very fair criticism, but I will answer some.

    I will give you credit for a ton of effort on your post btw..

    1.Why Did we not involve Reggie Bush in the passing game more?
    Answer: Cut Sherm a break a bit. This is a new team and personnel that he is attempting to learn to use. Bush is poor at pass pro so that is a setback for him perhaps in getting a look
    2.Why did we rely on Davone Bess as a deep threat when he's by far our slowest WR
    Answer: I cannot answer that one, but I think Sherman has been hamstrung by the lack of fast and quick weapons. He was probably trying to mix it up against a tough Niners D.
    3.Why did we not use Charles Clay more as a mismatch until the second half of the season
    Answer: I like Charles Clay, but we overrate him as a weapon. He can sneak behind a D once in awhile, but you are miscasting him as a "mismatch"
    4.Why did we not involve Lamar Miller more on offense?
    Answer: I am President of the Lamar Miller Fan Club: No comment. I am the guy that is convinced he will be better than Trent Richardson.
    5.Why did we abandon the run so much?
    Answer: I do not disagree with you here. There were times I hollered for more runs. I am a pound the rock guy. However, I will give him and Philbin this: they tore the training wheels off of Tannehill this year. They allowed him to make plays in clutch spots right or wrong. They never hid the QB...ever. Tannehill's development benefited from this approach. I questioned even starting RT at the start of the year...boy, was I wrong. Philbin and Sherman nailed their assessment on what was best for RT.
    6.Why did we not use Tannehill's athleticism until the last couple games? I understand Tanny got hurt in the 2nd Jets game... but guess what? That was our 6th or 7th game this season.
    Answer: I totally support how the offensive staff handled this. Why expose the young QB to injury? Allow him to adapt to the NFL from the pocket. As RT became more comfortable (and perhaps by necessity) the read option plays became more of a reality.

    Mike Sherman has done a great job this year with limited talent, not a very fast, quick or athletic group, misfits on the Oline and a very green QB. I will continue to say that Sherm is one of the best things going for us.
     
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    fair enough points Hayden. My point With Clay is that he's one of the only guys we have who is somewhat of a mismatch on offense. Why were we so high on him from last year? He turned out to be a good target on wheel routes as a FB.
    When did our offense start to get a little bit more going? When we started using Clay in the slot, and he was fairly effective. We also had some successful WR screens and bubble screens to Clay.

    So in some ways we do overrate Clay. But the point is that he is not a true TE and should not be used as such
     
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    All you guys that do not care if he goes, you are completely nuts or ignorant.

    First of all if Ryan Tannehill had a brand new OC, he could take a step back which would be a major blow to his development. RT has a strong connection to Mike Sherman. Sherman knows what the kid is about. Joe Philbin has no experience calling plays...so he will not be able to take over that. Secondly, lets keep this group with the same system for years to come. Finally, where does Joe go for a replacement? Brad Childress? Pat Shurmur? Greg Knapp? Maybe...but I will take Mike Sherman 100 times over these guys. If Joe goes in house for Ken O'Keefe...holy crap.

    I find it funny that the same people that complain about the lack of playmakers still ***** about Sherm's play calling. Sherm has not been perfect, but no play caller is. He is damn good coach and we are in good hands with him calling the plays.
     

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