Anyone else fine with not drafting a RB?

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  1. next-year

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    After reading a lot of posts on here I realized i'm in the minority of people who are totally fine with not drafting a RB.

    First, I would have been alright had we drafted Hyde in the second. In long term though what's the point of drafting a decent HB with a 2-4th round pick (i'm referring to the top 5 rbs) when you can fill positions at that point in the draft which have higher grades at their respective positions that we are in need of?

    By not wasting money on a multi year deal with one of the overrated free agent Rb's and not spending a draft pick in the early rounds of this years' draft we are in a good position for next years draft which actually has STUD 3 down workhorse RBs.

    We will be in a position to get a Melvin Gordon/Todd Gurly/TJ Yeldon


    I know we should be concerned with the present season but I think we will be able to get enough out of Miller/Moreno/Gillislee this season and then be able to get a dominant player at the position next year.

    Before the draft I was actually hopeful that the organization would have the balls to make a move like this.
     
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    Honestly,

    When I viewed the board. No RB was worth anything more than a 3rd rounder. No elite prospects in this class.

    In addition, Moreno signing further diminished the need and probability the Fins would take a RB in the draft.

    I think the NFL is quickly learning RB's are a dime a dozen and even 7th round picks can thrive in the proper system. Factor in a 3-4 life expectancy of NFL RB's and the ROI is minimal.

    Many will say Carlos Hyde was for the taking, but apart from becoming our "power back" he does not provide much else, terrible ROI for a second rounder.


    I like Moreno/Miller combo. D. Thomas is hot garbage in my book and wasted roster slot. I'm intrigued by this Williams kid out of OU and what he can bring to the table.
     
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    Yes I am fine with it....Next years draft will have several elite prospects if the need is still there, but I think they will be fine with the backs they currently have
     
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    We chose to sign Moreno instead of drafting a RB. Not a choice I would've made, but when we signed Knowshon we basically said we aren't drafting a guy in the top 4 rounds. Hopefully some UDFA explodes and makes this roster cause right now I don't think we have enough in the backfield. This roster is not built to run the ball. And yea, next year's draft could have three go in the first round, which is pretty awesome.
     
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    I've not given it a second thought. I feel the guys we have can produce in the right setting, mostly that being a good o-line. The line can have such an impact on everything. Our line last year vastly lowered the play of Miller and Tannehill.
    I'm ready for camp with our guys, let's do this!
     
  6. DuderinoN703

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    I'm fine with it provided Moreno can stay healthy. If he goes down it's back to Miller and Thomas. Can Lamar Miller run well with a rebuilt OL that is hopefully better than last year? That's the biggest question that remains to be seen in regard to the running game.
     
  7. phinfan40353

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    I talked about this previously when discussing the Landry pick. If you recall from last year, we had a free and clear chance to sign FB Vonta Leach for short yardage. We didn't even sniff on it. Last year, our short yardage and GL packages looked very similar to our main offense.

    I've come to grips with it.... Philbin addresses short yardage and goal line within his WR schemes. Unlike most teams, we simply don't have a traditional "jumbo" or "heavy" package. We don't have a true short yardage specialist or "banger". We have a lot of RBs most people would consider as "change of pace" or "3rd down" specialists. Because that is the mold of a "Philbin RB".

    There have been a few articles recently discussing the dwindling importance of RBs and the "premiere RB" in the NFL over the past years. Partially due to the lack of elite talent available and also due to durability concerns and the proliferation of RBBCs. Teams depend less on the "premiere RB" model in today's NFL. When Chris Johnson become available this year, his market was not that great. Considering this kid churned out 2,000 yards no so long ago, coaches and gms now realize that overworking 1 RB and making him the focal point of the offense isn't a good plan when he's injured.

    I've come to grips with the fact Philbin will never rely on such a RB. This is RT's team and everything, I mean everything, depends on his eyes and arm.
     
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    I'm fine with it too. If we had additional draft picks it may have been nice to invest in a RB but I support Hickey and Philbin in the prioritization of needs and Jarvis Landry could be a steal in the 2nd round.
    Knowshon Moreno is decent and is an experienced veteran. Lamar Miller has upside and Daniel Thomas actually made progress last year. DT won us the Pittsburgh game but it is convenient to forget that. Who knows, Mike Gillislee may offer something - we've seen nothing to date. He's probably on the bubble.
    While it may have been nice to pick up Tre Mason or Bishop Sankey, it was more important to get the Offensive Line needs addressed.
     
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    Not ok with it but the vision of this offense didn't need a RB that badly
     
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    Totally fine with it. Like the Moreno pick up and if that doesnt pan out, then we have next year OS to try to settle that.
     
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    Was expecting Seastrunk in the 5th but he fell for whatever reason(s), but I think we're good enough at the position for this year. If Miller doesn't improve ALL ABOARD THE MELVIN GORDON TRAIN
     
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    Landry is much more valuable than Hyde. First, it will allow Wallace to be traded for a high draft pick, hopefully next year. Second, Hickey had an excellent. track record while with Tampa in finding RB talent. The dropoff in talent between Hyde versus Damien Williams may be negligible. I wonder if that possibility, of signing the best UDFA running back, was part of the pre-draft strategy.
     
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    I like our draft picks, but we need a decent 1A RB, and we dont have one.
     
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    I'm totally fine with it, I think we improve the running game by adding to the OL, Moreno and keep temas worry about our WR. No RB would have gave us as much
     
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    I want that kid from Florida! Hes the real deal big and fast!
     
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    I like the two kids they signed as undrafted free agents. Damien (Oklahoma) and Orleans (Tulane) are around 220 and 5-11 to 6-0. Good size and Orleans is faster at 4.4.
     
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    Todd Gurley or TJ Yeldon in 2015 will be worth the wait.
     
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    The only RB worth taking was Carlos Hyde, but he hit a girl in the face last summer..


    Next year Todd Gurley and Melvin Gordon are going to be flat out studs, and Mike Davis and Duke Johnson look pretty good as well.
     
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    I am jacked about the Moreno pick up. No one in the draft can pass block as well as him and we have our speed guy in Miller. Miller will get this year to prove himself and Moreno can shoulder most of the load if need be. We do need a short yardage back, but hopefully an improved O-Line combined with Gillislee taking the next step, it could work. At 5'11" 210lbs, he has the size for it.
     
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    It would have been nice if we selected a RB round 4 or later but we didn't. I am satisfied with our selections.
    We will have a great opportunity in next years draft to select one or two, plus 2014 will be a good year to evaluate our current RB corps with an improved oline. Also, there is still a chance a quality veteran will get released before the season starts
     
  21. DolfanDuBbZ~

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    What I have heard about Moreno outside of his pass protection is...if you block for 3 yards, he will get you 3 yards. Well Philbin and company are fixing the line to get those 3 yards.

    ---------- Post added at 03:07 PM ---------- Previous post was at 03:05 PM ----------


    So your idea of sound football is to trade a 4.3 burner for a 4.6 slot? Seriously? GTFO.
     
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    I made the comment based on a few observations: 1) Hickey has been purging the roster of soft players who don't fight for the ball, tackle or block. 2) the wide receiver corps that Philbin utilized in Green Bay had no burners but a lot of guys who had great hands and ability to get separation. I view Wallace as a 100% Ireland move. And if there were no salary cap implications this year I would trade him to the Browns for a high 2015 pick. Sorry, but to me Wallace is just an overrated one-trick pony. I didn't mean to suggest that Landry shouldn't play the slot; I meant to suggest that they can find someone else to take Wallace's spot next year.



     
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    Those WRs in GB are not 4.6 guys.
     
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    Tjyeldon is an rb i would like to get.
     
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    Neither is Landry he ran a 4.51
     
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    Which btw Nelson ran a 4.51. Jones ran a 4.59. So technically Jones is a 4.6 guy
     
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    Im peachy keen with not drafting a RB. Nobody couod have run behind that horrid line last year. I think Miller has the talent to be special if he has a crease and Moreno isn't too shabby. Thomas still blows so Im content with the other two.
     
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    I didnt want to draft a HB in this draft unless it was a 5th or higher. We had more needs then HB. We dont even know if HB is a need since our O Line was so terrible. Im sure we will sign a player for TC. There will be plenty of vets who will be cut and UDFA who could be serviceable. We drafted a HB 3 years in a row. Didnt need to make it 4.

    Im happy with Moreno and Miller. We do need a short yardage guy, but not more then we needed a WR or OT or any other position that we filled.
     
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    I'm fine with it, let Lamar and Moreno have a year with a revamped Oline and a (hopefully) greatly improved passing attack. They compliment each other, so lets hope Lazor boosts up our excitement from goal to goal!!
     
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    Running whats?
     
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    The runs will be there when tannehill has more time to pick defenses apart..
    Maybe the dolphins will be utilizing screen passes more often.
    If Moreno duplicates whet he did last year then we have enough.
     
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    Not fine with it.

    49er's got their next Gore, in Hyde. They know what they're doing. Everyone says how devalued RB's are, well the top teams have a great RB to plow through the end zone, to make third downs, to wear down and demoralize the defense. We don't have that this year. Like you said, there's great backs in 2015, and I am good, if that is our plan. But I don't believe it is, based on Philbin's history.

    I think Hyde was a great value at the 25th pick in the second round, without question. In terms of grade, Hyde was graded as a top 50 pick and Landry was not. With the draft so deep in WR, and the fact that Miami has a stable of receivers already, you could argue that it would have made more sense to draft the top rated RB, instead of a slot receiver. Don't get me wrong, I love Landry, he's the best receiver we've had on this team in ages. I'm crazy for him. But just in terms of need, we left the RB position unaddressed. We also should have had an opportunity to pick up Ka'Deem Carey or Devonta Freeman, but it didn't happen.

    What concerns me is this, that last year Ryan Tannehill was a top 10 QB in passing yards. So, it's not like we have receivers who can't catch. What we can't seem to do is score. So you have to think to yourself, what would have helped him more, another slot receiver to compete with Matthews and Gibson, or a dominant RB? It can be debated either way, I suppose, but we'll have to see how it plays out.

    What I didn't like in the draft was all that trading. It cost us dearly not only in the second round, but in the 4th, because we had no opportunity to pick at 16 anymore, we lost that position. So for this draft to be a success, that extra 5th rounder better pan out, Landry better be outstanding in the red zone, and Billy Turner better develop into a pro bowl guard.

    I'm optimistic, but concerned. Moreno has to work out, and that O line has to hold up. We'll see.
     
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    I had Hill as the best RB by a comfortable margin and - ignoring off-field issues - worthy of a top-20 pick. But given last year's issues in Miami, and Hill's off-field issues, I figured we wouldn't target him. I do think Hill is a strong bet for OROTY. Forgetting Hill, I think Landry is a more unique talent than Hyde, so I'm fine there.

    I was hoping to land McKinnon in the 5th, but he went toward the end of the 3rd. Teams that have reliable starting RB's likely saw McKinnon as a better value. He's a dynamic runner/athlete - who compares favorably to MJD. As a guy who can give AP a breather, he should do very well.

    I also like Ka'Deem Carey. There was speculation he would drop into the 6th or 7th because of his poor 40 and character issues, but I had him as the 3rd best RB in the draft. Bears drafted him before our pick in the 4th.

    There might be legitimate reasons Seastrunk fell to the 6th, but I would have loved it if Miami spent either of those 5th RD picks on him. To pass on that type of talent, the risk would have to be pretty severe - and much greater I'm aware.

    So while I had a few RB's I wanted for Miami, there are only two (Hill, Seastrunk) at one of our available picks.
     
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    I would have liked for us to draft a rb but let's not kid ourselves, although there were good backs available in the draft none of them were world beaters. I'm not sure Moreno can duplicate last season since he's going from playing with an all time great to a 3rd year qb. Also if we don't make the playoffs I hope Ross is smart enough to not allow Philbin to hang around for one more year.
     

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