Armando Salguero: Focus shifts to Dolphins coach Philbin and QB Ryan Tannehill!

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  1. CRAZYDOLFAN305

    CRAZYDOLFAN305 We Are Still Going To The SB

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    MIAMI -- The names the Miami Dolphins added in the draft this past weekend start to blur after a while because general manager Jeff Ireland did a fine job of gathering a lot of picks for this draft and then filled his needs as well as desires over three exhilarating days.

    Ireland isn't done.

    The roster will be tweaked in the coming weeks, he promises. He says he's got some irons in the fire to solve the left tackle position that continues to feel unsolved. He says the back end of unrestricted free agency will be a field he can still explore.

    But his toughest work is probably done now.

    The responsibility for making the Dolphins at least relevant and perhaps a winner in 2013 now falls to other people. And as an NFL team's success is decided primarily by three people - the general manager, the coach and the quarterback - it shouldn't surprise that the spotlight that has been trained on Ireland this offseason now shines on two other men:

    Ryan Tannehill.

    Joe Philbin.

    Read more here: http://www.miamiherald.com/2013/05/02/3376210/armando-salguero-focus-shifts.html#storylink=cpy
     
  2. Cowboynemo

    Cowboynemo Well-Known Member

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    step up...I think so. This year, to make it to the playoffs, we need to be at least 10-6. Might be a year away, but with a little luck, who knows. We are heading down the good road.
     
  3. PALMA

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    Ross seems to be pretty keen on noting how this is a quarterback driven league. Curious as to why we totally neglected that during the draft.
     
  4. phinfan40353

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    Year 1: Strategically cut previous regime players and replace with drafted starters and free agents. Endure final year of target players to be cut next year. Draft and being development of Franchise QB. GOAL: .500.

    Year 2: Implement next big cut of previous regime players or allow to walk as contract expires. Draft and acquire your core play makers and team leaders for the near future (3 - 5 years). Thrust Franchise QB into offensive focal point. Mold defense into new identity. GOAL: Get to the playoffs AND make some noise along the way. WIN a playoff game.

    Year 3: Finish roster overhaul. Give reigns to Franchise QB and expand on offensive cohesion from previous year. Call the defensive dogs out. GOAL: AFC Championship Game.

    Year 4: Begin drafting next cycle of players and depth, BPA. GOAL: SuperBowl.


    This year is about seeing if the pieces we've collected have PEAKED in potential as a team or have LIMITLESS potential to pursue a title. This year really starts to reveal how well Philbin's plan is being executed. If we get to the playoffs, it's working.

    Also, we have to expose New England this year as a franchise who's window has closed. We need to show an intersection in paths, ours rising and theirs declining.

    And if I'm right about New England's overlooked recent inability to draft starter talent, it will result in New England becoming bigger players in free agency as their struggle to remain competitive.

    I see a weak opponent. I don't care what the smoke cloud conveys. New England is ripe for the picking.
     
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    AquaInferno Pro Bowler Donator

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    I can read everything in the link for free. You can't?
     
  6. fishfanmiami

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    It ask me to subscribe to read more. No biggie. I'll just read you guys comments.
     
  7. KTDolphins

    KTDolphins You have made me angry very angry indeed

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    I tend to agree with this sentiment. For the most part, Ireland has done his job and filled just about every position of need. We cannot use the excuse this year that Tannehill does not have any weapons, if he is not cutting it, then it should rest on him.
     
  8. CRAZYDOLFAN305

    CRAZYDOLFAN305 We Are Still Going To The SB

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    We use our 1st round pick on one last year. Just signed the top available #2 (Matt Moore this year. We have been grooming the #3 Pat Devlin for three straight years now. And Philbin absolutely loves his upside "I think Pat Devlin is a teacher’s pet," Philbin said of his third-string quarterback, "but other than Pat, everybody else is the same." Furthermore, all three are healthy. You only activated 2 on Sunday's. So why would we waste another draft pick and roster spot on a 4th Quarterback?
     
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    I see, I like our Qb situation. I'm behind Tannehill, but he needs to be the franchise focus. Not defensive backs. I was talking more in line with the lack of focus on offense this draft. Everyone wants to peg our free agents as solutions, but they are all temporary fixes. Wallace and Hartline are nice pieces, but we needed more dynamic talent especially in the slot and at tight end. It's painful to see how poor of a job Ireland does at recognizing offensive skill players in the draft. Every year we miss out on a dynamic playmaker because Ireland is too busy reaching for players to fill a whole.

    Take for example Vontae and Sean Smith. If we'd hit on those guys we wouldn't have needed to invest ANOTHER 2nd and 3rd rounder on Taylor and Davis. We could have used those pics on offense, where Ross understands that side of the ball wins you games. We blew this draft, but that's just a consequence of previous blunders. I doubt our offense will be dramatically better and until we get a GM that can identify game changers, we'll continue to eek out 20-17 wins to another 7-9 record.

    Hopefully we strike gold on Rishard Matthews and Bumphis. Maybe Thigpen can fill in the slot too. But these are prayers, hoping against hope situations.
     
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    I don't get it.

    Here's a roster with an improved pass rush, improved wide receivers, an obliterated tackle position, young and unproven tailbacks, rookie corners and unknown quantities at linebacker. PEACE OUT, JOE! Do what you do!

    Now suddenly we're to assume Jeff Ireland has done his job and if it fails it's about Joe Philbin and Ryan Tannehill?
     
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    But that's definitely the way a guy like Jeff Ireland thinks. He sees talent in every guy he's brought in and if it doesn't work out then he's going to think that somebody screwed up along the way. It sure as hell can't be that the talent he thought he saw wasn't actually there.

    These days it's very fashionable among fans and the media to rip Sparano and company for their inability to develop talent. Not that I think they did a good job at all but how many guys that Ireland brought in that didn't pan out here went on to do anything somewhere else? Erik Walden, maybe?
     
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    Probably true once the real games get under way. For now there is still much work to do as you suggest.
     
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    This is INCREDIBLY insightful.

    Apart from Wallace, piss poor WR talent -- the very definition of mediocre.

    Apart from Pouncey, only decent, pedestrian or worse OL talent -- w. a glariing hole at LT.

    Just gave up the best RB and only playmaker from last year's offense [apart from QB].

    Improved at TE but a big question at number two.

    And yeah, suddenly if the team doesn't succeed Ireland has done his job? No way. No way am I buying that.

    With all those draft picks, NOT to end up with Armstread at LT and much better WR talent is just sad.

    Could'a woud'a should'a. Again, on many levels.

    LD
     
  15. CRAZYDOLFAN305

    CRAZYDOLFAN305 We Are Still Going To The SB

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    At what point do you let the pass go?

    Because of contract obligations. There's not one offensive player we could have drafted this year that would have seen significant playing time! Maybe Tyler Eiffert. Even that's a question mark. You're not going to pay Wallace, Hartline, Gibson and Keller what you paid them and not have them play for some rookie. The rookie would need opportunities to showcase what he has, and he wouldn't get with the way the roster is structured. Could he prove down the line? Maybe? But that's not what this upcoming season is about. So instead of fortifying the defense we use a pick on a 4th String WR that may or not make the team. That's a waste! Now, if we didn't address it during free-agency, you would have a valid point..

    This offense don't require slot receivers. They require receivers that resemble each other and can play they X, Z and Y.

    You're right it's pretty pathetic in 5 drafts to only have one dynamic gamechanger which is just Lamar Miller and we hope he turns out what we all hope him to be..

    Well that's your opinion on the part we you doubt this offense will be any better!. Just check Sherman's resume he's offensive have always played well, and some of them he had far less to work with. The exception being he always had a great QB (Favre, Schaub). So if T-Hill does what Sherman is on record saying he will do. I think you're prediction on our offense will be wrong..
     
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    Fixed it for you.
     
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    True statement CK. To put a positive spin on the situation I felt that Philbin did a improved job with last years roster compared to the prior coaching staff which gives you some hope. Maybe I am reading between the lines here but I am hoping Philbin had input on the players selected in free agency and the draft and "if" that is true you would assume he could do a even better job of coaching now that he has players that fit his schemes. Personally have a hard time seeing us getting it together as a team until mid season because of all this turn over so not expecting a great record yet again and more Ireland bashing. The way last year started in preseason I thought Ireland was a goner for sure but miracles do happen just do they happen 2 years in a row.
     
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    I think the plan always was sign offense draft defense. If you ask me, that works out better anyways since OL take time to develop
     
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    The draft is over, focus now shifts to laying out Brady, beating NE twice, and taking the ACFE crown!
     
  20. CRAZYDOLFAN305

    CRAZYDOLFAN305 We Are Still Going To The SB

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    Your hatred for Ireland just sips through your pours like alcohol?

    obliterated Tackle Position ?

    John Martin protected Andrew Luck for 37 Games. He was a 2nd Round Pick. If he entered this year's draft he would have been the 4th rated tackle.
    We had J. Long entering his last year contract. If we wanted a Tackle rated higher than Martin, than our choices would have been to draft #1 Tackle Matt Kalil who was drafted by Minnesota at #4 which would of meant to trade up and get him and pass on Tannehill. Our second option would have been #2 Tackle Riley Reif who was drafted by Detroit Lions in the first round with the #23 overall selection. So once again we would have to trade back in the first round to get him. Our third option would have been #3 rated tackle Glenn Cordy who was drafted by Buffalo in the second round with the #41 overall selection which was one selection before us. So again we would have to have jump another team for one.

    Now, if you want to argue we could of drafted Mike Adams from Ohio State instead cool, but as horrendous as the Steelers line was the previous year he only had 6 Starts compare to Martin who played all 16 games. Now, by all accounts Martin play terribly and we may not now what we have in him.

    Here's what our very own Keith Sims had to say about Martin

    “I like Jonathan Martin as a long-term answer at left tackle, seeing him play last year all 16 games, started 12, I believe, at right and four at left tackle,” Sims said. “He was much more comfortable. Things came so much more naturally, it was fluid for him. He worked hard last year to be a right tackle and he was a decent right tackle. I think his body type and his athleticism is more geared to be that left tackle.” he was definitely more fluid in his pass sets on the left side. His frame and his athleticism bode well in what the Dolphins want to do in the zone-blocking scheme. You don’t have to be the big, hulking guy. You’ve got to have good feet and be able to move and get to the second level, and Jonathan Martin can do that from the left side.”

    Now, I've watched every snap Martin took at LT, and I would say he's play was below avg. But to think we wouldn't be able to win games with him in the lineup is not accurate. We played well against the 49ers, even Harbaugh said that game is what prepared for Patriots. We beat Jaguars and Bills (Yes I Know they don't count) and we got shout out against the Patriots. But if you we watch the NE game we left at the minimum 21 points on the board. Binns drop a TD, Tannehill missed a wide open Bush, and Bush fumbled at the 5 yard line..

    "young and unproven tailbacks"

    You're absolutely right on that one. But if you give him the 215 avg. attempts Bush got the last two years, and he remains injury free, I don't see how he doesn't Rush for 1,000 yard, although you and I would agree 1300 yards is the new barometer for tailbacks.

    "rookie corners"

    Right now the projection for our starting cornerbacks are R. Marshall (8 years) Brent Grimes (6 Years) Dimitri Patterson (7 Years) Nolan Carroll (5 Years). You can say we have injury concerns with our DB's put to think on day one, we are going to start Taylor, Davis, and Don Jones, that is as far fetch as one can imagine. There's no way in hell we are starting three cornerbacks. The hope is for them to contribute this year and make Marshall, who's contract balloons next year, Grimes who's a Free Agent as well as Nolan Carroll, expendable. Should one start this year, great! That would still leave us with enough veterans who we can go into games with. Let's not forget with the crew we had last year we were #7 in Points per game and #1 Redzone Defense!

    "unknown quantities at linebacker." The projected starting linebackers Misi, Ellerbe, and Wheeler are all coming off career years!!
    Koa is coming of a 65 Tackle (50 Solo) and 3.5 sack season. Nothing to write home about, but not unknown. (4 Years Experience)
    Ellerbe is coming of a 92 Tackle (69 Solo) 4.5 Sack Season and Including 32 Tackles (25 Solo) during the playoffs and SB run and he was poised to replace R. Lewis. (4 Years Experience)
    Wheeler is coming of a 109 Tackle (78 Solo) 3.0 Sack Season (5 Years Experience)

    What is so unknown about these guys???
     
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  21. fishfanmiami

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    I second that :up:
     

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