Armando Salguero: Ireland deserves praise

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  1. Nublar7

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    http://miamiherald.typepad.com/dolp...olphins-deserve-praise-for-cap-situation.html

    This thread should be fun. :snack:
     
  2. BahamaFinFan78

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    Must give credit for this, but will he know how to handle all this cap space?
     
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    Hes right Ireland has done a job job with the cap recebtly.

    Now lets hope he does a job spending it.
     
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    Ireland has given himself options, and right now those options are an empty vessel for everyone's hopes. Let's wait to see what he does with those options.

    Past performance being the best indicator of future performance I don't think it's wise for anyone to get their hopes particularly up.
     
  5. dlockz

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    One reason we have so much cap is because we have pretty big holes at positions and that many of the guys we have drafted are not worth the price to resign.
    Look at we may not want to resign our starting RB, our LT,our DE, our starting cb, our backup qb and we no longer have a top receiver or any depth there.
    I mean seriously doesnt that account for most of our cap space. i give credit to a degree because he did somewhat fix the mess he made but lets not act like huge holes havent help create this cap space.
    No to mention if u dont resign your draft picks im sure most teams would have cap space.
     
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    Hah. Getting rid of starters and not replacing them to save money is praiseworthy? Really? Like doing so is a difficult task? GMs, as I understand it, earn praise by building teams that contend for an extended period of time.
     
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    Watch how many Armando bashers praise him now!
     
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    The past draft (Tannehill, Martin, ect) was pretty solid. So by your own words, we should have another solid draft.
     
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    This article just makes Armando even more of a douche, being that it contradicts almost every other article he's written within the past year. I think he's just baiting readers here because of the enormous amount of hatemail he gets.
     
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    Well thats if u only want to include one draft in your equation and its way too early to tell on the draft. Many on this board thought the 2007 and 2008 drafts were great and now years later they were not very good at all.
     
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    We have holes at 4 out of the 5 most important positions in the NFL: WR, CB, T, and DE. Praise the man!
     
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    Nobody's laughing any harder than me I promise you(topic). I feel as though Ross/Ireland have sapped me of any hope I have left. I've come to almost expect failure. Our 'Fins track record says it all....."BUT I'M HANGIN ON"!!!
     
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    Lets see where Ireland stands in 58 days.
     
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    all of those teams w/ the exception of oakland have been playoff teams and a buch won SBs, what good is cap room if you don't know how to use it?
     
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    :lol: :lol: :lol:

    Yes thank you Ireland, we have been enjoying 7-9 seasons and poor drafts from you. Who wouldn't like those things? Oh but your supporters are doing a spin job in the levels of nyjunc about your tenure here, it was the Pat Riley plan all along to suck for 4 years straight and have cap space in 2013 for the likes of Jennings (always injured), Bowe (drops everything), and Wallace (a borderline one dimensional star).
     
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    It's called robbing Peter to pay Paul.

    He has the cap space because he is losing possibly 7 starters in FA, 32% of his starting team.

    So he needs to replace them (even by re-signing a couple) in FA and the draft plus find 3-4 quality starters to upgrade to make the playoffs, IMO.

    So we are looking at finding as many as 10-11 starters including re-signs.

    This by a guy who has been good for 2-4 per year the last 5 years.

    Good luck with that....
     
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    No threats at WR, no talent on the books at CB, a QB on his rookie deal, no explosive offensive players under contract...by damn Id hope we have some cap space.
     
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    The positive view on Ireland is so fictitious. First he gets no blame for the first 3 years because of Parcells, people actually absolve him from any wrong doing during that time.. . . then he gets no blame for bringing in terrible talent at skills positions, yet we want to praise him for having cap room this year? Well no ****. Meanwhile the Patriots are restructuring Tom Brady to probably make a run at Mike Wallace . . . I guess their GM deserves no props because they technically "restructured" and didn't keep quiet like the Dolphins. Must be painful to actually bring in talent and have to figure out how to keep that talent rather than be void of talent at several positions and remain still.

    I'm glad the situation has presented himself like it has though, because the excuses for this GM we have are never ending. It's win/win for me . . . if he hits this offseason out of the park, the Fins will be a good team and I could care less about Ireland protectors saying "I told you so". However if he wets the bed like he has been, atleast we'll probably be in for a new GM . . . unfortunately he won't have the luxuries that Ireland has this year . . . but I guess Jeff "earned" it.

    BTW, Armando is god awful at what he does.
     
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    I think that's the prevailing attitude for many of us around here. It's mostly a bunch of noise until some actual moves are made.

    I'm really curious to see whether our free agent signings tie our hands for the draft. If we don't get some improvement in each of our major positional needs during free agency, then we're almost forced to reach based on positional need during the draft. For example, if we don't at least partially fix the WR position during free agency, we won't have as much freedom with our first pick. That's drafting from a position of weakness. I want to enter the draft feeling good about going after the BPA. We can pretend that PR doesn't factor into a GM's decisions on draft day, but if we don't get a solid FA receiver and then don't draft one on day 1? There's no way Ireland and company will want to weather that firestorm, even if waiting until day 2 might be the better overall move.
     
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    That's exactly why I get so damn annoyed with all this "we have the most cap space since his tenure year blah blah blah" crap they're trying to spin to us. Hello, we have like 10 holes out there.

    Then they try to sell to us that our mediocre free agents are actually good players and we should re-sign them to the deals they want. Yeah, to defend Ireland previous drafts they call our mediocre players "good".
     
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    Armando says... (Fill in the Blank)// End Thread
     
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    First thing that popped into my mind.

    Armando makes a article slamming Miami: hes scum of the earth who cant write.
    Armando makes an article praising Ireland: great guy!

    People on here are to funny. :lol:
     
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    Mando's a moron; Omar is a racist moron for that matter. If it's other than factual straight reporting of occurences, personally I can give a **** what either of these imbeciles think!

    Given that, Dlox makes a good case that there's often a correlation between cap space and starting line up holes. Presently Ireland is on the negative side of the Dividing Line although not as much after last season's draft. Let's see what he does with all the cap space and early round draft picks cuz this is "sink or
    swim"
     
  24. LouPhinFan

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    So we're praising him because both Jake Long and Sean Smith were so bad that we have to even think about whether to resign them or not and that all that dead money from wasted FA contracts (how are you spending that money Jake Grove?) no longer with the team have FINALLY fallen off the books. Plus we don't have a #1 RB or a #1 WR.

    Basically we're praising him for bumbling like one of the 3 stooges into this off season cap space. I just don't get it.
     
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    This.

    I enjoy mediocre football...4 Losing seasons is great...
     
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    Just because you can spend, this doesn't mean you will spend wisely. Look at the state of our country.

    Ireland needs to prove he can make the right moves to build a contending team. He has his work cut out for him.
     
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    I don't think Ireland is one of the league's best GM's. But, having lived through the days of completely horrible GM's and picking trash players in every round year after year. After continually yelling "AAAAAARRRRGGGGHHHHHH!!!!! ... WTF!?!?!??" after each selection where we bypassed a good player to select a bum, I'm quite happy to have a decent NFL GM. I disliked the Merling pick, the White pick, the Misi pick (I was literally jumping up and down screaming to draft Rob Gronkowski), and many many other choices he's made. But, at the end of the day, we went decades with little or no real talent from the draft, trading picks for Dante Culpepper and AJ Feeley (the backup QB from Philly ... he was here so shortly I may have the wrong initials), and other laughable players. I'm most happy to NOT be the Jets, to NOT be the team that traded for Tebow, to NOT be thought of as #buttfumble, and NOT know that the players selected imediately before and after our selection were always the better picks.

    Sure, if Dimitrov (sp?) would come here, I'd take him in a second. But he isn't coming. Looking at the recent hires like Idzik, I think Ireland isn't a particularly poor GM. He's a good cap manager and he's a decent to good talent selector. I'd rather we have Jimmy Johnson calling the draft shots, but he's not available either. So, I'm OK with Ireland. But, I look at him the same way he looks at players ... if I have a chance for an upgrade I'd take it, cut Ireland, wish him well, give him a good recommendation, and move on.
     
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    I would rather have atrocious cap management and a Superbowl
     
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    :lol: One things for sure, these guys really know how to get a reaction out of fans, positive or negative. Hook, line, sinker.
     
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    Armando isn't so much sitting on the fence as he is doing things with the fence that are illegal in most southern states. :ponder:

    I remember he wrote against the Ireland marchers, then the next day he wrote on how to more effectively march against Ireland.

    He is a joke, a long standing sad pathetic joke. The only joke sadder than him is the clown on wsvn who does sports.
     
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    Praise for what? Doing nothing in 4 years?

    Some people . . .
     
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    So if you only say positive things about the Dolphins: no agenda.
    If you say negative things about the Dolphins: agenda.

    I did laugh at how you shot someone a thumbs down a single post after you complained about receiving thumbs down. :lol:

    For such a short post, it had alot of funny in it.
     
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    ---------- Post added at 03:38 PM ---------- Previous post was at 03:37 PM ----------


    Yep. I think we can all name ten posters who no matter who we draft will praise it as being anywhere from solid to great just like they do after every single draft. The constant negative Nancys used to be my pet peeve but its now the ones who laud every single move and defend everything dolphin that irk me more. I mean there are a number of people who refuse to say one critical thing about the team. I mean if we were the pats fine but not even close
     
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    The team has been bad for ten years. Pick up your standards.
     
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    I can't believe the negative-nancy Ireland bashers on this board. A few points for you all to consider:
    - Ireland has not yet lost any starters that are due to hit free agency. Having said that, I think it's very smart for him to let them hit free agency so that he doesn't end up overpaying them before the market dictates their value. IMHO, chances are that many of the free agents the dolphins are interested in re-signing will be disappointed with their market value and will re-sign with the fins on reasonable terms. Of course we will lose a few like maybe Bush, Matt Moore, McDaniel but it seems Jeff has a priority plan so that we end up with value players on the roster.
    - Furthermore, the money that he saves on players not re-signed will be allocated to players in free agency that better fit our needs. Like a difference-maker WR for example. Yes he will have to overpay for this type of player, but it's still value in the sense that it fits better with what our new coaching staff is trying to do. He will also go after some value players like he did in the past with Randy Starks, Anthony Fasano, Cameron Wake, Matt Moore, Kevin Burnett; All free agents and trades that didn't break the bank in terms of cap or draft picks but turned out to be solid starters or better.
    - We still have the very deep (by all accounts) draft where we have 9 picks, 6 of which are in the first 3 rounds. I am very excited about this, in part because of how this last draft turned out. How many of the players drafted do you all think should make the team and have an impact? I would conservatively say about 5 or 6 including UDFA's.
    So between resigning our own FAs going by priority, picking up a few free agents that better fit our system, and being in good position in a deep draft, there's plenty to be optimistic about. I commend Ireland for putting us in this situation and I'm pretty confident he'll do well in the coming months based on what he's done recently, including having found us a possible franchise QB.
     
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    So on one hand, he deserve credit for not letting free agents go. On the other hand, he deserves credit for letting free agents go. Outstanding.

    This thread turned out great, highly amusing.
     
  39. ohall

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    Why is that a mindset to belittle?

    You can't let them all go and you can't keep them all.
     
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    Stupid.
     
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    Pick a side, You either think Ireland is going to get it done or you don't. We'll see who has the pie on their face by the end of next season. Sorry it's hard to get a positive vibe even in this situation when the only support the guy has to stand on are excuses. I'm not going to sit hear and beat the anti Ireland drum, but i completely understand those people who do.
     
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    How conveinent that Ireland was not responsible for the cap situation lol he was just here
     
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    you must be kidding me he sucks and he will never build a good team watch jeff will some how screw this up we are a joke and he needs to go there is a reason we are always around 500 and the cap space should tell you something what a joke this guy is just like trading v/davis and just like getting marshall who can"t cove anyone
     
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    Some good points by Armando even though I don't care for some of his articles.
     
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    I'm betting that we blow this draft and FA - just as we have every year since Ireland has been here. Not wanting to re-sign any of your high draft picks or FA's you brought in tells me you stink at your job / make bad decisions on players. Think about that - for every guy Ireland picked but then wants to low-ball or not re-sign is an admission of failure. How do you build through the draft if you are trading away your early picks 2 or 3 seasons later or not re-signing your top selections, etc? That's not building through the draft... The cap space is what it is - let's see how well we do spending it. My bet is we spend a ton on one FA WR - Wallace or Jennings and use the rest on "value" players. Oh - and the impact of Wallace or Jennings will be negated by the loss of Bush in terms of # of big plays per year so if the above is "all we do" this offseason we shouldn't expect to be much better than last year.
     
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    Yes, we have picks and money - but why? Because we are getting rid of starters - those extra picks and money will go towards filling the holes he opened. It's not a difficult task to trade a #1CB for a second-round pick. Should Ireland be 'commended' for that? Nope. Should he be commended for not re-signing guys? Oh wait, he drafted these players who aren't good enough to warrant a second deal. If you open up holes the way Ireland has, you better have extra picks and money. I can't commend a GM for doing these things; they aren't hard, and he's had zero playoff success.
     
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    Grabbing a QB was mandatory and Tannehill was a no-brainer given the inside info we had. The more impressive move was Martin, which was the first and only proactive move he's ever made. Of course, that depends on which thread you open. The same people who praise the Martin pick in these threads are often the same people who rip Martin to shreds in favor of keeping Long in other threads (because they are typically the same people that can't stand the idea of letting go of any Dolphins players).

    If he keeps that up with all the available cash and picks, then I'll be the first to praise him for finally shaking off the Parcells chains. He's shown signs of potentially being a competent GM by finally addressing the most important position in football and prepping for the loss of Bosel...I mean Long a year before it became a possibility. However, if he fails to bring in any playmakers, I doubt those that support any move he makes will feel any differently. Just more excuses.

    That being said, I look forward to the same people praising this article ripping Armando to shreds the next time he writes a negative article about the Phins. :snack:
     
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    The idea that the players he drafted and might let walk are not good enough to get a second deal is not quite accurate. The Texans let Mario Williams walk last year, was he not good enough to be re-signed? The Panthers let Julius Peppers walk, was he not good enough to be re-signed? Greg Jennings and Mike Wallace are hitting the market this year, are they not good enough to be re-signed? Sometimes it isn't about whether they earned the right to get a second NFL contract, it is about playing the salary cap game and not overpaying players.

    Miami could easily sign all their free agents back at the value the players are demanding, however it would prevent them from finding "upgrades" in the market and will hurt them cap wise in future years. You see teams every year that are in cap hell and having to cut starters and eating a lot of dead money just to get in compliance with the salary cap. The Jets had to cut a bunch of starters just to get under the cap. The Falcons cut their starting running back and the Steelers had to restructure a lot of current contracts in an attempt to get under. By the way, the Steelers are really going to have to pay for it in a few years when they are not going to be able to keep pushing money to future years.

    The Dolphins have the money and draft picks this offseason to not only replace these players, but to replace them with younger, cheaper and in some cases more talented players. It sucks that Reggie Bush is going to likely sign elsewhere this offseason, but instead of paying him $5-6 million a year, they can pay Lamar Miller $480,000 to do a lot of the same things. $11-13 million for Jake Long to be the LT or $607,000 for Martin at LT? Now I am not saying they can never re-sign players or give out big money contracts but you have to be careful not to just throw around money and get back into the position that Ireland and Aponte have spent the past few years digging the team out of. If they re-sign all their free agents there is no room to add a Mike Wallace or Greg Jennings, keep that in mind.

    Ireland can also get some of these players back after they test the market and see the money they want is not really out there. That happened last offseason when Soliai was demanding close to $12 million a season before free agency started. He tested the market then signed a contract with the Dolphins for $6 million a season. Smart business.
     
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    I find this subject kind of comical... The main reason Ireland has put us in such a good position cap wise is because for the most part he's avoided overpaying for players in free agency... now all the experts and fans expect him to go wild and spend all his 40m ish... not going to happen
     

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