Discussion in 'Miami Dolphins Forum' started by Samphin, May 16, 2017.
I have always liked the Kid..I think the guy has improved every season and is still improving..I hope he has another great season and plays all games in the 17-18 season to include some playoff games!!
And away we go...
Waiting for Dr Pavlov's pooches to start salivating.....
Regardless of what anyone here thinks of him, I think Ryan Tannehill deserves his own subforum here on Finheaven.
Okay...I think you missed the point.
Everyone has their own approach to something like this. I'm not going to declare one is superior to another. IMHO, Tannehill has performed well, and I'm very happy to have him. On the plus side he has steadily improved despite multiple coordinators and offenses. But, Brady continued to improve well past year 5, so the mystique of Brady isn't built on being a guy who went from rookie to year 5 veteran ... it progressed well past that point. We all hope Tannehill also continues to progress and eventually reaches the heights that Brady has shown for the last 5 years. I think Ryan can.
Ball Security is the one area in those initial 5 years where Brady excels. Looking at Tannehill's interceptions last year, he did a phenomenal job avoiding turnovers once he got over the initial 5 game learning curve. If he can keep that up, he will end this discussion about whether he is our answer at QB. I think he can, and am looking forward to a great season from him.
But this analysis does not take into consideration the OL behind which they played. There is no question that the OL for Tannehill was far inferior. Through his first 3 years he was the worst protected QB ever as far as starting QB's in their first 3 years. We have not had a great running game, arguably until Ajayi, for Tannehill to lean on like most young QB's. Our defensive performance has been erratic at best. Tannehill's circumstance has been far worse than Brady's was in their first 5 years.
Looking at Last year we see some real indications of how that affects him. In the first 5 games when the entire team was learning the offense, Tannehill's protection was putrid. His execution was also very bad. These led to a bunch of INT's. Once the team grasped the offense and started protecting him better, Tannehill was able to get a run of games under his belt where he knew the offense and actually had decent protection, which led to a fantastic stretch of football. I think he had like 1 INT in 7 games and the full stretch of 9 games was good too. If he had averaged those numbers over the entire season, he would have been rivaling Derek Carr as the best QB in the league and NFL MVP prior to getting hurt. If we look at games 6 onward, Tannehill is en fuego.
Tannehill ended up last season as one of the top 3 QB's for Completion Percentage In the Red Zone (3rd behind Breeze and Brady), and #1 at QB Rating In the Red Zone (ahead of Brady). So, when we got the ball down inside the opponents 20 yard line, Tannehill did his job well. Now we need to work on getting the ball down there more often.
This can only go well.... nice post Digital btw..
Also- of course Tannehill will have more rushing yards and is better at it. He's a pure athlete. And most of Brady's carries are those damn qb sneaks
Hmmm ... comparing Tannehill to Brady.
Great write-up, Digital. I really think Ryan Tannehill just needs to take off where he ended last season. As you noted, after the first six games he played exceptionally well. Tannehill was a big reason Miami won 10 games.
I'm not ready to compare him with Tom Brady, but I also wouldn't be surprised inf Tannehill ended up in the top 10 for quarterback rating this season. He probably compares better to Matt Ryan and where he was in year six.
Loved your point on Brady continuing to improve. I know when he entered the league he was more of a game manager and his deep arm was questionable. Can't deny the guy has worked hard to get better. His ball placement, in particular, is among the best I've ever seen.
When it comes to best ever, I have a problem with that. I think Aaron Rodgers has better attributes. He can make plays on the move, keep plays alive with his athletic ability and has an insanely accurate deep game. Brady is great, but I just think there are better quarterbacks than him despite the amazing run of championships.
I honestly didn't read, because mentioning Tannehill in the same sentence as Brady is absurd. Tannehill will never be as good as Tom Brady, and that's OK, because 99.9% of quarterbacks won't either.
I think mentioning Tannehill and Brady in the same sentence is just looking for trouble, and even though Brady really isn't nearly as great as people think (He is top 10, but closer to the 6-10 part, then top 5 people talk about him being in), he is among the best because of how he finishes games, and how he reacts to pressure (Other then pass-rush pressure, where he does fall apart a bit).
Once Tannehill starts showing the same consistency at end of games, and at crunch time, then we can start trying to slip Tannehill's name in the same sentence as Brady.
Don't worry, tannehill will be on the cover of madden next year in his throwback uni
Don't know if that is a good thing or bad. LOL
Brady is a pocket passer. They should compare apples & apples and oranges and oranges. Brady should be compared to Peyton Manning...
I may be a minority of one but I think 80% of Brady's success is BB. Not saying he's not a quality QB, but much better than he'd be on any other team. That said, I doubt Tann is or will be a super star. Quite good, yes. Super star? No.
I think this Brady kid has a chance to be good. He doesn't run fast but can make some plays.
Ok so what is the point here?
Let's keep it civil.
I love Tannehill but any comparison to Brady is ridiculous and that's for any QB
Yep. Not even close. Tannehill has the hotter wife.
More like a poor mans Dalton or a rich mans Fitzpatrick.
Oof. I mean, it's Gisele. They're both hot but one is so next level that she gets paid millions just to be hot. She doesn't even require a last name.
There is an obvious bias involved when comparing Tannehill to Brady, but equating Lauren Tannehill to Gisele isn't even of this world. At least the first two are QBs in the NFL ...
I prefer Lauren. I guess we all have different tastes
Was waiting for this response lol
Preference shmeference. She's not a supermodel. She's THE supermodel. She gets paid almost triple what the 2nd highest paid supermodel gets (Lima I would assume?). Other supermodels can't even bridge that gap ... yet Lauren Tanehill can?
This isn't about preference, it's about comparing two people whose only shared characteristic is that they are of the same species.
No offense to you or anyone who share the same tastes, but this one isn't even up for debate.
You're taking this WAY too seriously.
More like everyone but you knew that Philbin is a poor man's Rich Kotite!
to be real. I do not think lot of people think thill17 is good. in nfl except some of dolphins fans. this would be a joke on espn or first take. some goal for thill17 top 100 best player next yr, probowl, mvp, make playoff, won some playoff games. then you can compare him to superstar player.
Of course you would use ESPN and First Take to make a point about people saying "thill17" is not good.
Five billion Tannehill posts saying the same thing and two about this. What gives you the impression that I'm taking it seriously?
RE: Post 30
I know what it says. I wrote it.
Giselle is elite and has all the intangibles. She's a winner.
Awesome man! Awesome!!!
I've been saying this for 5 years...their games are very similar...hopefully Miami with tannehill will taste some of that brady postseason success in the near future. both high level pre to post snap read pocket progression qbs
Stop bringing football logic into a thread devoid of any such thing. Unless it's about supermodels apparently....
Then why'd you post bro?
If you didn't read it ... why would you expect us to read your opinion of something you have just stated you have no knowledge? Come on man .. you're better than this.
That may be true ... but I imagine you're getting that information mostly from talking heads on TV right? These are the same people who LOVE the Jets because they play in that huge media market known as New York, and instantly became very excited about the Rams and Chargers the moment they moved to LA. Those people are entertainers in an entertainment market where their success is dependent upon popular opinion. Most of that opinion is derived by fans who A) want you to talk about their team or they'll stop watching, and B) desperately want you to say and predict good things about their team or they'll hate you.
The concept of those people being objective is as false as hoping Bob Griese stays sober and objectively criticizes the Dolphins ... none of those things are very likely.
Now to your point about the football people, they may well feel that way ... but we very very very rarely hear from them, and when we do it's usually with a specific agenda. And, the only way we hear those things is filtered through one of the above-mentioned media talking heads, who clearly have an agenda. So, maybe football people do feel that way, but it's going to be very hard for us to hear that message, and it will surely be drowned out by the constant noise of those talking-head entertainers. So, it's kind of hard to really know this one.
Tom Brady's wife, Gisele Bundchen, says the New England Patriots quarterback has a history of concussions, including one suffered last year during a Super Bowl-winning season.
"He had a concussion last year. He has concussions pretty much every -- I mean, we don't talk about it. He does have concussions," Bundchen said on "CBS This Morning"
Giselle mentions she found out when she got home one day and found Tom wearing her underwear spinning around like a ballerina.
If that's true, then the Pat's have some explaining to do.
nah, being a p-u-s-s-y doesn't have to be reported to the injury protocoll
Tannehill, doesn't have any situation awareness or pocket presence. He can't comprehend when to throw the ball away on third down and pick up the three points or when to go for the big play.