Discussion in 'Miami Dolphins Forum' started by Casas9425, Jun 19, 2012.
I may be in the minority here, but I believe Garrard will be the starter come week 1 barring injury. We shall see...
Color me not surprised.
Me neither...a healty Garrard is >>>> than Moore. That said, either way I don't want to see Tanny in the starting lineup unless its a blowout game. I think the fact that he has a probowl QB in Garrard ahead of him, and a not so bad QB in Matt Moore ahead of him says that the team will bring him along slowly hopefully.
Nice to hear Wallace is showing something. Having the proverbial light go on over his head would be huge right about now
...... And the over-reaction to initial practices start .......
Who is over-reacting? Moore was the incumbent starter, so to be replaced already as the starter says a lot. This is also the second camp where he has been out played.
Honestly I think you might be over reacting just a bit. Philbin has given us his time table.
Garrard may start..... Let's wait for pads to come on. See which one of these guys win the job in TC.
He's getting outplayed by a guy who wasn't in the league last year and is coming off major back surgery. Matt Moore sucks.
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These are not initial practices, this is mini camp. The season is around the corner.
As I've said before, a good QB competition will only bring out the best in our guys, as well as the team. Glad it's not just one-sided or set-in-stone early (Sanchez and Jets)
I agree. Not surprised. I think he can be Pennington-like of 2008.
i pretty much figured this might go this way...we tried to upgrade on moore all offseason...the staff doesn't feel as warm and fuzzy about matt moore as so many for some damn reason have around here...that said who cares if garrards winning the damn job he's not taking us anywhere and if i had to go over/under on number of games before he goes on ir at lets say 8...i take the under
I think that Matt Moore is always pretty underwhelming in practice.
I'm amazed more people don't think Garrard will be the starting QB.
It's too early to predict with certainty, but if I was forced to bet on anyone, it'd be Garrard.
If Garrard can separate himself from Moore and Tanny I think we can have a pretty good season. Like playoff contender good.
Its otas people. Relax. Im sure philbin is saving tannenhill for actual training camp. The real battle is in training camp, this crap here is smokescreen.
The honesty of the situation is clear, you have a rookie and career backup being out played by a starter. I see no reason why this should be a shock at all.
Still a lot of preseason and football before game 1 in 2012 so anything could happen.
Dude was a Pro Bowler in 2010. Sounds pretty good to me.
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Seriously, Garrard was a Pro Bowler ikn 2010 and then got hurt in 2011. What did you expect, him to not make a strong push to start this year. Dude is a good player.
If we are going strictly off ability and playing history, I think we all would agree that Garrard should be the guy. The only question is his back. How long will it hold up? One hit and done? Or is it healthy enough to make it through 16 games? Backs are a funny thing. Sometimes they never fully recover.
Moore was the second best divisional QB going forward from game 8 under trying conditions. I've said all along that we're in decent - good shape with a confident Moore under center, BUT if Garrard can unseat him in a fair TC competition, then in effect, we've upgraded the position even beyond that. And I'm fine with it.
In either event, color me relieved that if whichever the starter is who goes down, there'll be no robotic, locked-on primary receiver, slow-reacting, interception-waiting-to-happen Henne being pressed into action.
Wasn't Garrard the the guy with a very low amount of interceptions? Trying to remember...
Yes, only 54 picks in 76 games started and a 2.4 Int percentage.
By comparison Tom Brady has 115 picks in 159 games started and a 2.2 Int percentage.
Not saying Garrard is Brady but he is smart with throwing to the right place.
He also doesn't throw a lot of TD's. In his 5 years as a starter he had 10, 18, 15, 15, and 23 TD's he only started all 16 games twice though and those were the seasons he threw for 15 td's each season. Garrard is a caretaker QB, he's not going to make a lot of mistakes but he's not going to light up the scoreboard either. He's basically Chad Pennington with a stronger arm but slightly less accurate. We can win with this type of QB though if the D shows up and our running game is effective. If both of those things happen and Garrard remains healthy we will no doubt be in the playoff race this season.
I have no problem with Garrard doing well. If the guy can play then let's ****ing get after it.
The Jags philosophy was to pound the football. In those 5 years the Jags were 2nd, 4th, 10th 6th and 9th in rushing TD's. Doesn't give your QB alot of opportunity to put up big TD numbers when you can just hand it off and get the TD the easy low risk way. 2 of those 5 years the Jags were in the top 10 in scoring offense. He can get it done as long as he has some help.
In 2010 he was posied to lead them to playoffs at 8-5. Then Jones-Drew goes down for the season and 3 straight losses to end the season and possible his career. You gotta know he really want s it. But he needs help. He not the type of QB to carry the team on his back.
Ive been saying it all off season, moore sucks and the only way garrad doesn't beat him out is if he's hurt. Now I'll be disappointed if Tannehill doesn't beat them out because of how high a pick we used on him. That kind of investment should be better than a career back up in moore right out of the gate but garrad I'd be a little more comfortable starting in front of tannehill.
If Tannenhill beats out either one I wouldn't expect the loser to be on the roster come September.
no surprise to me.
actually, i'd say more and more people are coming around to the thought of him starting.
moore should start
No surprise. He'll start as long as he stays healthy. He provides the best opportunity for Miami to win.
dude, i dont give a damn if he is aaron rodgers, until training camp is under way and the real battle begins this crap is all useless information.
Matt Moore is the starting quarterback for Wednesday's practice. Clyde Gates and Roberto Wallace appear to be his receivers.
May the best QB win...
AFTER the competition is over not after the first day of OTAs. :rolleyes2:
It looks we are in good shape at least as far as the QB position goes, much better shape than a number of other franchises despite what ESPN would have you believe.
Saying that Moore 'sucks' though basically is admitting that you missed out on what he did last season. He played well for the Panthers at times. Didn't Steve Smith go to a probowl when he was starting? Marshall did. :d-day: Garrard has more experience and seems to be more comfortable with the offense right now though.
David Garrard performing well in camps does not translate to "Moore sucks". You're not a genius if you've been saying that he's better than Moore. You're closer to Captain Obvious. He's a former starter and pro bowler. Moore's a career back up who stepped up and played very well for us.
Quit thumping your chests about how you thought Garrard would beat out Moore. You're an idiot if you thought otherwise.
But he won't.
Who says he was replaced?
Garrard even said it was coincidence that reporters saw him getting the first team reps, because that's the only time they were allowed in.
BTW if you missed it, Moore started today. Philbin had a few nice things to say about him too.
The guys hasn't been "replaced". Nor has he been outplayed.
Oh I forgot, after one day of mini-camp Moore lost the job completely. Forget all of training camp when the pads come on and preseason. LOL. Some of you guys are hilarious.
Moore started today and here were some of Philbin's comments:
are you guys really gonna argue over matt moore or david garrard??? ha ha neither one of em takes us anywhere so does it really matter who "wins" the job...
i'm counting the days til neither one of em is under center...
For perspective sake, around these here parts, despite protestations otherwise, residual Henne fluffery remains as entrenched as the proverbial cockroach in a NYC high rise apartment building :idk:
finally, we agree on something, +1.
Who says he's replaced? They have rotated Moore and Garrard during these workouts and the even if one could objectively say that one is playing better than the other (with different combinations of players and circumstances) - the pads aren't even on yet.
Way too early (IMO) to say that Garrard has won the battle.
i must be wrong then...
Competition at quarterback is a good thing. Brings out the competitor in them. With all the injuries that can happen at that positon during the season, you can't enoughgood QB's.
Bring Tanny along slowly. Now that we've finally drafted a QB, let's take the time to do it right.
There's no reason to rush him in. Theres two qbs he can learn from
ha ha...we'll see how slowly and patient everyone is after about week 9 when garrard and/or moore give you 8 weeks of at best average play...patience will go out the window then...sounds great now though and from the sounds of things tannehills not ready anyways
One thing's for sure: He's not Marino. Shoot, we keep having the darndest time finding Marino's reincarnation.
LoL in JAX where Garrard came from Henne took Garrad's place and people in Jacksonville are looking for henne to lead them to the playoffs.