Discussion in 'Miami Dolphins Forum' started by Danny68, Jan 28, 2013.
Love the kid! Speed, hands and size, everything the team lacks.
I was going to post this article but you beat me to it. I say we should pull the trigger on this kid with our first pick in the second round. That frees up our first round pick for a star pass rusher.
I would have no problem with Williams with one of our seconds.
Kid is a baller. If we can scoop him in round 2, I'd be stoked.
I feel like Terrance Williams is extremely overrated. I don't see great ability to separate with quickness or craftiness in his routes. I see decent long speed but nothing special. I don't like to discount production so ill continue to watch as much video of him as I can but... I'm not buying the hype.
And I've seen several mocks with Williams going before Justin hunter which just blows my mind. "Am I taking crazy pills!!!!?"
he may drop into second round. As players move up, Johnson, Okafor, Jones, Trufant, ect. ect. you will see guys like this drop to our 43. We will get a good player there for sure and 54.
Arron Dobson is also a probability. Wheaton, Woods, goes on and on.....
I'll reserve judgment until I see him and others perform at the combine, but the numbers don't lie.
Screams bust to me. Struggles to get separation. No YAC ability. 40 speed aside there's no quickness there. Gets jammed easily. Lapses in concentration. He has excellent body control and uses his size well but other than that he's just not going to make it in the pros. That would be a wasted pick. He's not in the league of Allen, Patterson, Hopkins, or even Stedman, Marquess.
I like what I see from this kid on film. He has the right combination of size and speed for Philbin's offense and also good hands, which is the top priority for Philbin. He's very comparable to Mike Wallace IMO. I wouldn't be mad at late 1st if we trade down or early 2nd.
While there are no Calvin Johnsons in this class, there could certainly be some Greg Jennings/Reggie Waynes available in the first few rounds.
No thanks. He has alligator arms going across the middle and drops the ball too much. I dont want to draft a WR hoping that his "catching" skills improve.
I wanted this kid the first time I watched him play
There might not be any super stars at WR this year but alot of good players in the second and third rounds that will be great #3 guys for most teams. Guys like woods and hunter and goodwin from texas. Bailey from WV and guys like that. I would rather have those guys then williams IMO.
Should this not be in the draft forum?
**** not opposed, if Wallace wants too much money draft this guy.
After watching him on his highlights I see how he fits. Alot of GB typr WR's fit this guys mold and I am buying into the 6'2" 205 size of a typical Philbin guy and what I see from this guy is he is able to make plays downfield in the endzone and over the middle. I disagree with others about seperation. He is certainly capable. His production is very good with or without RG3.
I wasnt high on him until now. I sort of been having a flavor of the week on WR but this article hints at Philbin's liking IMO.
Hopkins is another guy and Dobson and Swopes fit the typical Philbin style IMO.
you left out the 12 td's the kid has this past year.
seems to me that stat is the most over looked of all on the fin boards. we need someone who can find the endzone.
if this kid has all those problems as you say he does and he can still put up those stats, the yds, td's, etc..., ILL TAKE IT!!!
he cant get open, he cant get off the line, he cant run, cant concentrate, but, he still gets 1800+yds and 12 scores.
something doesnt add up.
I'd rather have Hopkins at 42 than Williams tbh.
I would much rather have Terrance Williams than DeAndre Hopkins. I think Williams has very solid value in the 2nd round. He's a proven and consistent deep threat that shows a surprising all-around game when given the opportunity. He has great size and really good athleticism for that size. He's a proven on the perimeter of the field and he creates a lot of separation. You go from Robert Griffin at quarterback to Nick Florence, and you don't miss a beat.
He's not my absolute favorite wide receiver in this draft, probably not even in my top 3 at the position, but he's just outside of that.
By saying you'd much rather do you mean you don't like Hopkins, CK? And if so, what is it about Hopkins that doesn't impress you? From what I've seen, Hopkins looks better than Allen but not as good as Patterson to me.
It's not that I dislike DeAndre Hopkins. He brings a lot to the table. But one thing he doesn't bring is size, strength or physicality. Another thing he doesn't bring is the speed to take the top off a defense. When I was watching Tharold Simon go against Hopkins, this was a day that Hopkins obviously won by a good margin as he had a monstrous night from a pure statistical standpoint, but you could see Tharold Simon making a ton of mistakes that guys in the pros won't be making as often. Meanwhile, when Tharold got some simple issues in his technique right, he could flat out erase Hopkins. That's the danger for Hopkins at the next level. He's a guy that made his living getting behind college defenses and making big plays vertically, yet doesn't have the size/speed/strength to do that at the next level. I don't know that he's got a great all-around game and he's never been all that compelling to me with the ball in his hands from a RAC standpoint.
I think he can get open on routes and a good quarterback with great decision making and accuracy will be able to get him the football. But I don't know that I see him being a play maker at the next level.
I like Hopkins, but i don't put him in the same class as Allen. Allen is amazing off the LOS, incredibly smooth in/out of cuts and runs much better routes than Hopkins. Plus, he's bigger and has much better YAC. If Allen played on Clemson, his stats would be sick. Maynard was terrible this year.
I like the pure talent of Williams but I think Hopkins has a chance to end up being the best wideout from this class. Williams probably has better athleticism but I strongly believe that Hopkins has much better hands and route running ability, and he's just all around a more polished player. Would love either one with our 2a pick but Hopkins will probably be gone.
I think I would rather have Williams because of character. Not that Hopkins character is in question, but Willams seems to be well grounded like his head wont get big if he makes it big. he fits the mental makeup. henceforth the article.
I'm not a fan of Williams. I recognize that many evaluators love the kid and that he is both big and fast. But when I watch him I see a guy who has trouble getting off the line with press coverage, poor use of hands against defenders (he loses hand-fighting), hesitency over the middle, and difficulty in traffic. He just seems to have a world of problems with physical corners and seems to be scared of big hitters. I could be totally off with this assessment ... but when the speed and ferocity gets ramped up a notch in the NFL, he may be another Ted Ginn, Jr. with less speed.
Williams doesn't strike me as someone who just lacks muscle development becasue he's young. He seems to have the bulk, but just doesn't have the strength or will. Physically, I see him being the opposite of a Terrell Owens or Michael Irvin type of big physical dominator ... I see Terrance Williams losing every physical encounter. If you let him go free, he's got speed to burn, so he'll make his share of plays, but I think he'll be the guy who disappears for long stretches in many games.
I'm just wondering what tape there is out there of Williams being so bad at dealing with press. Can anyone point to anything specific?
Idk I took some time to look at both Williams and Hopkins and I still see Hopkins as the better playmaker. And Williams is only an inch or two taller and afew lbs heavier. As far as the deepthreat thing, I saw Hopkins catch as many if not more bombs than Williams did. I also saw the Senior Bowl and only saw Williams catch a couple balls and go out of bounds. Can you provide me a link of anything that can impress me because I'm just not convinced Williams to go higher than Hopkins. (Of course here's to is grabbing Patterson at 12 so we don't have to worry about either one he he he)
And what about this Da'Rick Rogers guy? The guy looks like he belongs in the conversation of WRs right after Patterson.
In fact I won't have problem with him as our first round pick if we trade down some spots bellow (let's say 10-15 spots).
He reminds me so much of Brian Hartline, except a notch faster. He has very good hands for the most part and can make some tough catches in traffic, and shows good ability to control his body in the air while making a catch. He even had some great toe drags in the games I saw (vs. Texas, vs. West Virginia). Where he seems to struggle is making guys miss. He rarely breaks tackles or shows the ability to get by a defender in a one on one situation, but if he has good blocking, he will usually hit the hole.
Again, I only watched those two games so take what I said with a grain of salt.
There isn't. I just looked through about 4 games of his and the Senior Bowl (quickly albeit) and I counted one time of getting jammed at the line and that was in the Senior Bowl. Granted I didn't go through each practice, but I couldn't find many instances of him being pressed at all, much less having trouble with it.
Williams is one of those guys I keep changing my mind on. I really liked him early on and then not so much, now I'm liking him again. I think people are projecting the bad off of press thing because it seems like it could be true with someone of his size. For what it's worth, my main concern is that it seems like he's awkward running double moves and other more 'complex routes'. Sometimes he gets into them and his arms start flailing a little bit, looking a bit awkward. I'm not sure if that's completely a bad thing or if it can be coached out. But that, not his ability to get off press, is my main concern.
I'm not trying to tell you that you have to like Terrance Williams. I respect your disagreement on him. I was just asking a question because I keep hearing about how bad he is dealing with press which is something I've not really seen at all. He wasn't the most advanced at it during the Senior Bowl practices I saw televised but I also saw him at those practices getting beyond the jam and separating, making plays.
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IMO, slow. Wouldn't surprise me if he ran close to a 4.6.
senior bowl one on ones williams had a tough time getting off press...he also measured out shorter than expected not as big a wr as i thought...can get vertical but needs to use his hands more...he's not a top 50 guy for me...i like him more late 2nd early 3rd...runs pretty good routes...i don't think dbs can just sit on his routes and squat like i saw a lot of guys doing senior bowl week...but he needs to get off the line better...hurts his stock for me some
I think he's good in tight, physical coverage. He separates. He's used to working with a condensed space at Baylor because in that offense they always have wide receivers on both sides lined up outside the numbers...the widest splits in college ball. He's got a narrow patch of grass to work with when it comes to getting open vertically but he does it with regularity.
At the Senior Bowl in practice I saw him not handle the press as quickly as some of the other guys (Markus Wheaton), but I also saw him creating separation after the press and making plays on the football.
drick rodgers may not be a burner i think he's a mid to late 4.5's guy but he's got sweet feet for his size and some wiggle...his problem is gonna be character and off the field stuff...i don't think ireland and philbin will touch him
I can respect that. Though I'm reading that Da'Rick Rogers runs in the 4.33/4.44 range. But I look forward to the Combine just in case that's just propaganda.
williams also got a ton of clean releases at baylor...rarely pressed...so he was able to get off the los and into his routes unimpeded...may just be he needs more time to work on hand use and physicality at the los and to get off guys i do really like the way though he plays the sideline and tight spaces so well...thats something for instance clyde gates never figured out...he just let dbs ride him right out of bounds and gave the qb no target...
i like williams more than hopkins...dbs will have to respect williams ability to get over the top on him...which will open up some things underneath for him...
I think that's some heavy propaganda. Doesn't run that fast on the field, that's for sure.
yeah there's no way he's blazing 4.33...doesn't play anywhere near that fast...late 4.5's