Belichick may coach 5 more years, wants to coach after Brady retires

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  1. SkapePhin

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    So maybe I'll be 50 by the time Miami has a chance? :bobdole:
     
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    meh

    as much as i respect bellichek .... i am much less afraid to bellichek + any other qb than bellichek + brady

    not surprised he'd want to coach after brady retires...surprised anyone was under the impression that they would walk out of the league hand in hand, anchoring their legacies to one another....
     
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    Good.

    Lets beat that ****er without Brady to bail him out.
     
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    Everything I've seen indicates he can win without Brady. The most asked question is can Brady win without Bellichek? My thoughts on that question in NO! Brady needs Bellichek more than Bellichek needs him.


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    that's all fine and dandy, but can they exhibit the kind of dominance we've seen the last decade+ without either one or the other?

    to that question, my answer is that i doubt it.
     
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    Completely agree, Tom Brady will always be under-rated/appreciated by some just because Bellicheat is such a great coach. Tom Brady is a great QB too though, the best I've ever seen in my lifetime because Marino was just a few years before my time. I've always believed Brady > Manning even when Manning was in his prime, I've had this debate many times with a friend over the years, and even he concedes now Brady is the GOAT. The thing that makes Brady so great that even Manning struggled with is winning in the playoffs, I don't care who they get to replace him because Brady's poise under pressure is legendary and Bellicheat will struggle to replace that intangible asset (cough cough Melty Ice). Intangibles are what make Brady so great, and are the hardest thing to scout even for football Gods like Bellicheat.
     
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    With the coaching carousel of the AFCE, he would dominate until he decides to retire. I think he coaches another 10 years.
     
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    Take a stab at who taught Brady everything he knows at the professional level? From running his offense, to his knowledge on how to read & beat defenses, Belichick made Brady who he is. If it wasn't for Brady, BB would have just taken another QB with similar qualities and coached him up to be great. Manning was a player/coach that has never been seen at QB.

    There's a poll and more info in this thread on that exact topic: Who would have more SB's?

    And Belichick isn't just a great coach, he's the greatest of all time.
     
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    The AFCE has one of the more stable coaching situations in the NFL right now, half of the teams have a coach that should easily be there another 5 years in Gase and Bellicheat. In the NFCE for example, I wouldn't be surprised if 3/4 of the teams have new coaches in the next 2-3 years. Change is the only constant in the NFL.
     
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    He wants to win one without Brady. Then he will retire.
     
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    In theory, perhaps. But in reality Brady won 5 (could have won 7 if not for bad luck) and is responsible for the greatest comeback in NFL history. Manning had 1 good drive against CAR, and beat Rex Grossman, how impressive. Bellicheat may have made Brady the QB that he is, but an argument can also be made that since Bellicheat never had any success as a HC before Brady, that in fact Brady is the one who made Bellicheat "the greatest coach of all time". I happen to think the truth lies somewhere in the middle, but I absolutly don't believe Brady will be this easy cog to replace in the NE machine. And I can't F****** wait to find out, as I've always said and been proven right too many times, Tom Brady scares me.
     
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    That's false. Belichick had the Browns on the right track and was with Cleveland for the last time they won a playoff game before Modell yanked the rug out from under the city the following year and moved the organization to Baltimore. Belichick also has 2 SB wins as a defensive coordinator w/ the Giants and was an integral piece in shutting down the Kelly-gun offense of the Bills.
     
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    I disagree. It is very possible Gase could be gone with a couple of bad seasons. Look at Sparano. The Bills and a jets coaching situation is nothing close to stable.
     
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    gase will beat them eventually and with something on the line too
     
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    Belichek needs Brady to win superbowls. We have seen Belichek win 11 games without Brady we know he can do that. But to get over the hump he needs Brady
     
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    Does Bellichek make Brady a better player? Yes! But to say Brady can't win without Bellichik sounds crazy.
     
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    My guess is that Brady retires and he makes it one season before realizing he doesn't want to lose anymore.
     
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    What's Belichick's record in NE without Brady?
     
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    Good, because in the year Brady was hurt the entire AFCE had an easy schedule, how did Cassel do in the playoffs though (where Brady excels)? Oh that's right, I don't even think they made the playoffs that year lol. And BB was 36-44 as a HC in Cle, his last year they finished 5-11 after starting 3-1. That's hardly "the right track" lol. Any unproven coach who does that and posts a 36-44 record can be and usually is fired in the NFL, nice try though. The truth is all of BB success as a HC has been with Brady, to debate whether or not BB was successful AS A HC before Brady is laughable. You can debate who has been more vital to the Pats between the two, I even agree with you BB is slightly more important, but arguing Belicheat was successful in Cle is simply a false statement.
     
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    Bellicheck without Brady in NE, (18-18) and both seasons missed the playoffs.

    Billicheck with Brady in NE (208-61) and 5 World Championships and only missed the playoffs one time in 16 seasons.
     
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    Try again.
     
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    I understand and any coach should have a grace period. I still don't believe he can win a superbowl without Brady. He will certainly win a good share of regular season games
     
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    QB is certainly the most important position on the field and by now Brady's knowledge of the game is astounding, but every single year the Patriots lose key players and keep chugging along. Brady has been an integral catalyst in their two decade dynasty though.

    Gotta say, they didn't skip a beat with Garappolo at the helm.
     
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    He could die. :idk:
     
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    I agree with this. Its a big difference between winning in regular season and playoffs. To think Bellicheck could just plug in any QB in the playoffs and win is foolish IMO.

    They have a 25-9 playoff record together but 10 of those games were won when Brady came thru with game winning drives. Without those you are looking at a losing playoff record.

    If you look at game winning drives in playoff games no one is even close to Brady. That is something he brings to the table that has been better than any QB ever. To think any QB could snatch victory from defeat like he does in the playoff just because Belly is coaching doesn't make sense. Belly has never done that with any other QB in the playoffs as head coach.
     
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    What has Brady done without Belichick? Also, if Manning had played for NE and Brady for the Colts, who do you think will have the most rings?
     
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    Manning with out a doubt, but Belichick would have coached up any QB with quality traits such as work ethic, leadership, etc. Those qualities are not specifically inherent to Brady nor Manning.
     
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    Charlie Weiss
    Josh McDaniels
    Bill O'Brien
    Josh McDaniels

    I have a great amount of respect for BB but Brady himself credits McDaniels for his development.
     
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    Belichick over praises everyone, including his own players and staff.
     
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    That has nothing to do with what I posted. Connor Orr wrote an article in January after interviewing Brady. Brady credits McDaniels for his development.
     
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    When Brady leaves, this is BB's way of saying, "Next".
     
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    Garrapolo will get more money and will start immediately in 2018 leaving NE. Will be interesting to see this unfold.
     
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    Manning made too much money to ever play under Belichick. If Brady had demanded that type of money, he'd be gone too.

    I don't see BB retiring any time soon as long as he remains in good health. He lives & breathes for the game. He seems to love it as much today as he did in 1975.
     
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    That's a good point. Brady has constantly restructured his contract to remain team-friendly according to their cap.
     

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