Discussion in 'Miami Dolphins Forum' started by Chubby, Apr 26, 2011.
Parcells is a fraud! Talks with one hand acts with the other.
I'm so sick of all the whining about Bill Parcells. He took a franchise that had no leadership, no direction, and a huge void in talent and provided stability, and direction, and built a fairly talented roster. His failure to find a franchise quarterback is a major blemish, but overall, I am grateful for the work he did in Miami. He didn't hit on all of his draft picks, but no one does. I think he has built the team into a solid, tough, young team that is on the right track. If the Dolphins can somehow find their franchise quarterback, you would be surprised how much better the talent Parcells assembled on this team looks.
= Good enough to win a few but not going to get you far. Ya now that you mention it, thats the Fins.
Why oh why didnt Huizenga just let him go to the Falcons.
I just hate to see him get credit on ESPN for all of these great football turnarounds and they include the dolphins... one winning season and parcells running with the money is hardly considered a turnaround... He hasnt done anything relevant in a long time.
I'm just angry he left the project unfinished. He bailed when he thought the ship was sinking. It was a ***** move to try and protect his reputation. Instead of staying and attacking the problem, he ditched all his friends and essentially said good luck.
I have no problem with the roster he built, my problem is with him going out the way he did. Lost a lot of respect for him.
I have no problem with him coming in and leaving. I have a problem with who he brought in and left us with, at GM.
Not nearly as bad as who he brought in, and left us with, at head coach.
He's a big talker. He did some good things ... but his achievements aren't even comparable to his talk.
If you didn't know he ran Miami, you would never guess looking at the roster & coaches.
On ESPN he made himself look like a know-it-all, who has it all figured out.
Note .. Parcell's talked up QBs Newton & Dalton ... so will be fun to see if he's right. Wonder of Ireland agrees??
Bill didn't do one damn thing for this organization. I also laugh at those of you who think he was the reason we went from being a 1-15 team to an 11-5 team. All Bill did with Miami was collect a fat paycheck and make bad personnel decisions. Good riddance Bill.
Big talker? He didn't say a word the whole time he was in Miami. I think everyone takes what the media says about him and attributes it to him talking about himself. I have NEVER heard him brag "about" his accomplishments. As a matter of fact, I heard him question his own decision to not take Matt Ryan with the first pick, and he blamed himself for the Pat White pick. How does that make him a big talker? Parcells is one of the most respected people in all of the NFL. Whether you want to admit it or not he turned four franchises around,(Giants, Patriots, Jets, and Cowboys) while he was there, and I believe, set the Dolphins on the right course. People forget how bad the state of those franchises were before he got there.
Ummmm it WAS a great turn around. No other way to look at it really. It's considered the greatest franchise turn around in NFL history. From 1 win to 11 wins in ONE season. Folks here are ungrateful. Get over it guys.
It's funny you say that because he has been relatively successful at our drafts. He's also finally gotten rid of some parts that were stinking up the place. (Ted Ginn/Jason Allen)
Really, i'd like to see some proof - tangible proof of your point. Let me know of players in FA that we have let go that have gone on to become super stars. Donald Thomas, yeh? No. Justin Smiley? Nope. Ted Ginn? Nope.
anyone bashing jeff Ireland before the upcoming draft is just drinking hatoraide.
He did what he is known for, he turend around an awful franchise(at the time) and made them respectable but left before he could finish the job. He did the same the thing in NE, w/ NYJ and in Dallas. He also turned around the Giants but he won 2 SBs b/c George Young was picking the players not BP. He's an all-time great coach but a mediocre GM type.
He deserves credit for the turnarounds, he DID turn around Miami but he didn't finish the job. How quickly people forget, you guys were 1-15 the year before and hadn't been a true playoff contender since 2002 and hadn't been in a playoff game since 2001. he deserves credit for helping turn Miami into a decent team. if people expected him to build a champion their expectations were far too high, I explained that at the time. The only time he has won big is when he was coaching and not picking players, it was unrealistic to expect him to build a champion in Miami.
You should have expected it. That is what he has done everywhere. This is a man who won the SB in jan of '87 and tried to leave the Giants. If it was up to him he would have been the falcons HC after that season. He was talking w/ the Jets while preparing for a SB w/ NE, he left the Jets after just 3 years and cost us Bill Belichick in the process, he jilted TB TWICE and he walked out on Dallas as they looked ready to be a SB contender. This is who he is and has always been.
He was the biggest reason Miami went from 1-15 to 11-5. They were going to improve regardless but getting to 11-5 and winning the division was b/c of BP. Sparano and Ireland did good jobs and he brought them in and he signed Pennington who was the most important piece on the field.
Anyone not bashing Ireland before the draft is just drinking Fanboieraide sorry couldnt resist.
great turnaround then two back to back 7-9 seasons yay
the turnaround from 1-15 to 11-5 wasn't Bill Parcells. It was Chad Pennington falling in to our laps.
Its kinda hard not to improve from 1-15. He did little IMO and the team is as consistent at winning at the rest of the decade
So Parcells is supposed to get tons of credit for a single winning season, combined with an absolute thumping at home in the first round of the playoffs? Fine, but then he should also get tons of "credit" for his role in the subsequent two consecutive losing seasons (something that hadn't happened in Miami since the 1960s), to say nothing of this year's impending debacle.
You nailed it :up: Couldn't have said it better.
Of course you had nowhere to go but up but going from 1 win to 11 wins and a div title is better than just improving.
You had 2 consectuive losing seasons the previous 2 years before BP got there where you won a total of 7 games in those 2 years.
This franchise was so inept by 2008 it wasn't even funny, the total mismanagement of drafts, free agent signings and talent retention was so great that it made Tampa Bay in the 80's look good. Every one who took the reins has some other vision of what was to come and how to make it transpire and it took what little talent that was on the roster and squandered it to the point that nothing at all was accomplished to move the health of the franchise forward. It seemed like every season for a decade the team was being rebuilt to fit someones model of NFL success.
Can you imagine how frustrated the Thomas and Taylor must have been after 5 or 6 years of that ****, I am sure by the time Parcels took over Taylor was at wits end and it lead to the whole debacle between the front office and himself. Thomas was lucky enough not to have to suffer trough one more iteration of transition and was forced to bow out gracefully, he ended up being the lucky one.
Leadership sometimes isn't a popularity contest and there needs to be hard tough decision made, Parcels and Co. did exactly that when they took office and yes I have mother ****ed Parcels at times with some of the decisions that he made but overall this franchise is in completely better heath then it was before he took it over. Yes they need a franchise QB but unfortunately it is the hardest and most risky position to fill in the NFL but they still tried to fill it and build the health of the rest of the team at the same time. It is called mitigation of risk for the long term health of an objective and from time to time you have to sacrifice to reach your objective and Parcels uses this principle.
If this team had a good young QB in the fold right now 99% of the board would be saying - "Praise be to Bill, long live Bill!"
You're right. I forgot about Saban's losing season. Still doesn't change the fact that all Parcells has to show for his "great" job in Miami is one winning season, one playoff thumping, and two losing seasons with a good chance of yet another one this year. Still no QB, no answers on offense, tons of holes that still need to be filled, and a head coach whose skills are questionable at best.
And? If Sparano had led the team to the Super Bowl and won it, 99% of the board would be clamoring to build him a statue. But, in the real world, that didn't happen. Of course, the force of your argument is completely undercut by the fact that the reason we don't have a good young QB in the fold right now is because Parcells and his lackeys weren't able to find one (worse yet, they passed one up).
Hindsight, if I had the ability to turn it into foresight I would be a ****ing rich man right now! You are looking at the past as if we know what should happen in the future.
Parcels is only human he did pass on Ryan for Long but Miami had so many needs at the time he used that money to fill how many other holes?
Would Dansby, Marshal, Bell, Davis, Bess, and a host of other young upside stars be in the mix right now? Who knows what effect that would have had on the franchise, we could have been the Arizona of the east - great passing game but severely lacking on Defense. It's a "what if" scenario that will never be answered so take what positives you have, learn from your negatives and move the franchise forward.
Bitching and complaining about the past doesn't change one thing, it just makes you miss out on the present.
One playoff year w/ a div title is really the only positive thing Miami has done in a decade so it may not have been much but it was something.
How the hell else are we supposed to evaluate the job Parcells did without acknowledging his mistakes, some rather huge? You just want to give him a total pass on some things, while showering praise on him for others. Acquiring a franchise QB was indeed one of the tasks which Parcells knew, or should have known, he'd have to accomplish. He passed on Ryan in favor of Henne. It didn't work. Had it worked, then great, he's a hero. But it didn't work, so he's rightly criticized for it.
The team had one good season. Good, not great. Had the team built on that success, gotten better every year, then Parcells would be praised. But that didn't happen. Instead, this team is as mediocre as it's ever been, with a good chance of three losing seasons in a row. So, now we have a supposedly great defense, coupled with an offense that wouldn't scare Coral Gables High. You're right, we're not Arizona East. We're Wanny's Dolphins redux. That era sure ended well, as will this one I'm sure.
fair enough, but how is it fair that some wanna bash ireland and his body of work isn't even established yet?
Leave them alone Chubbs, they just suck at what they do best!!!! LMAO
we swept the jets in 2009.
The team is younger
The D-line is better
The Line Backers are revamped
The receiving corps is impoved
The secondary is coming along
The team has more draft picks
The team has more money
The team is finding talent in more locations
The team has had structure in place longer then it has in years
Those are the areas that are undeniably better and improving but I guess nothing constructive has been achieved at all.
I never gave Bill a free pass on the Ryan/Long debate, I said he did what he did to reduce overall risk to team health. I am also at a difference of opinion with some that this team is in a much better shape in 11 to take a risk in the first round on a QB then they were back in 08. Whether they will or not remains to be seen because there are too many factors but I guess tomorrow night will answer the question.
and finished 7-9, if sweeping the Jets makes your season congrats buit 2009 was not a successful season for Miami.
if we went 2-14 for the rest of my life, i'd die happy knowing those two wins came against the jets. **** the jets.
We view succes differently. in '99 and '00 the Jets swept Miami and missed the playoffs- those were 2 terrible seasons, in '09 we got swept and made the title game- it was a great season. I love beating Miami but I'll take losing twice to them every year if we wind up making the playoffs.
Do you watch the Dolphins play? Our gameday coaching and clock management? Guess what we have no leadership! This regime is no better except they have failed the worst with FA failures like Gerbil, Grove, Smiley, Wilford, Green, etc. Not to mention just as many draft failures and question marks.
The Parcells era is like a chicken with its head cut off. No one knew who was truly calling the shots, no on was held accountable.
You are sick of fans hating on Parcells. Well I am sick of HOMERS defending him! This is the 4th year we have no QB, 3 out of 5 spots on the oline are question marks, no play maker at te, no kr/pr returner, no quality at RB, and no speed at WR, our safety play is suspect and have up big plays and key first downs all season long. You know what he built us? A 1-7 team at home, that collapses down the stretch, and loses to 3 of the worst teams of the last decade!
Great be happy with kind of good or mediocre! Real fans aren't and it passes us off to watch this fat fraud cash is 10+ million dollars then cut in run when the fruit if his labor turns bad!
there is success, and there is satisfaction. while I want success, I love being satisfied.
I wasn't satisfied w/ losing in the title game, I could never be satisfied w/ going 7-9 no matter who we beat.
I would give up loosing to the Jets for the next 10 years, if it meant winning just 1 Superbowl in my lifetime.
Bottomline line is if the Jets or Patriots had this much drama we would all be laughing!
so parcells year 4 blueprint has us on track for the super-bowel this year!?
even though he left his legacy lives on how they do next season..
How can you possibly say the receiving cops couldn't get worse? Really? You have one of the best slot receivers in the league and one of the best on the outside over the past four seasons and they both managed to do that with Henne in the pocket. Yes it needs a speedster and that will also address the kick return problem.
Incognito will do just fine at Center and would have been more then adequate playing guard if Henning had stopped pulling him on every rushing play. This line was banged up last season no doubt about it but they seem to be healthy this season. I have not idea what everyones beef with Fasano is, he is a solid TE, he was 8th in the league in yards per catch out of all TE's with over 20 receptions and manged to post respectable numbers in almost every category despite lack of throws his direction. Kick returner - Yes it is a need. Running backs are a dime a dozen and Ricky and Ronnie needed to go, end of story.
Dansby more then filled a roll that was missing since Thomas, it's about time. Crowder is Crowder and they drafted a pass coverage LB but unfortunately he was injured what more could they do???
No second round pick huummm let me think about this in 2006 we didn't have a 1st or 2nd at least in the last four years Miami has had at least 8 picks or more in every draft some years Miami managed to pick 5 time if they were lucky.
The money for Bill has no implication on cap space so i could give a damn about a golden parachute, what I do care about is getting the books in order so there was space to go after agents like Dansby and Marshal and more room this season if they need to address RB and/or QB via agency, there have been seasons where Miami was handcuffed by the cap. All I know is that when the cap returns Miami is still in great shape.
Like Cam Wake, Davone Bess, Tony McDaniel, Randy Starks etc...
It over with and the way it was handled wasn't the best but like it or not Sparano and Ireland are there for a 4th year and that is as long as any coach since Shula which is exactly why Miami is in this mess in the first place, failure to replace Shula.
and on a Miami board at 11 am in the morning. Congrats, you're all alone.
I think Parcells did what he thought was right to try and get our team corrected. It is hit or miss and i wonder if he could go back and get a do-over if he would still put Sparano in the head coaching position. Real fan eh? I am guessing YOU speak for all the real fans? Pretty funny post. We are all real fans, we just have different opinions. I don't harbor an ill will towards Parcells, and he wouldn't be invited to do a 1.5 hr long program if he wasn't considered one of the intelligent people in NFL circles. Show me someone who has had it go right every time and i'll kiss your ***. Whether or not you think he is any good is of no matter, it seems to me that folks in NFL circles hold him in high regard, and that holds a bit more water, i think, with the average football fan.
I meant the WRs couldnt be much worse then when he got here.
Shocking blame Henning for Incognito. Ever think all that pulling is a product of our oline guru and his ultra conservative offense?
They killed just as much cap space as the cleared with their free agent blunders.
Saying Ireland/Sparano has us in our best coach GM position since Shula is laughable. These 2 are nothing more then fruit from a poisonous tree. Product of the Bill Parcells good old boy network. Wanny had back to back 11-5 seasons and a playoff win. Which is then the fist pumping moron will ever accomplish.
Let's just go ahead and fire up the excuse train for the 2011 failures!
1. We can't blame Ireland the lockout ruined predraft free agency.
2. How can Sparano get a fair shake with Henne as a QB.
3. Daboll doesn't have the talent on offense.
bla bla bla it just gets old we are the same mediocre crap Parcells built in Dallas
Parcells is a ****ing joke! Did you watch that program? Did you see how arrogant and pompous he was? My phone has been blowing up nonstop, with comments about no wonder you guys falter look at him. All it proves is people are sheep! Guy has been falling flat on his face drafting since Dallas and people still listen to him.
1. He wanted Spears over Ware.
2. Barbie Carpenter
3. Long over Ryan
6. Pat White
7. Pat Turner
8. Jared Paper Mache Ordick
These are all high picks he is missing on. His ego just never allows him to adapt which is why he has no real success calling the shots and ultimately quits before he is exposed.
Don't try to lecture me about what you think I am content with. To me, every season is a failure unless you win the Super Bowl. I'm just saying that this team is a lot closer, talent wise, to being a Super Bowl caliber team than it was before he took over. The team has one of the best and deepest defensive lines in all of football. They have one of the best left tackles in the league. They have two young cornerbacks who are on the cusp of being elite. Parcells went out and signed an unknown linebacker from the Canadian football league, (Cameron Wake) who has turned into one of the most feared pass rushers in the NFL. The front office signed one of the most versatile middle linebackers in the league (Karlos Dansby). You expect the front office to never make a mistake. Not a single front office in the whole NFL is perfect. You sight the free agent signings that were failures. So what? How did it hurt the franchise? They gambled on guys that they didn't have to give up draft picks to acquire, and signed them to contracts that wouldn't handicap the team with the salary cap if they had to cut ties with them. If the Dolphins find a franchise quarterback (the single hardest position to play in all of professional sports) they will be able to compete for a Super Bowl. Almost all of the other pieces are in place.
any team should be closer to a superbowl than they were three years ago if thye were 1-15. we have improved from 1-15 to 7-9 in three years , not really that awesome
After seeing that comment about Odrick, tells me all I need to know about you. Just plain ignorant. You have the audacity to make a stupid comment like that and imply that Odrick is a bust because he had a broken bone in his leg during his rookie season? Yea, he is a bust already and he is injury prone based on one season. The Dolphins should just cut him now. Please.
And why do you think that is? It is because the organization has failed to find a franchise quarterback. I am not letting Parcells off the hook for that. It is clearly his biggest downfall. He should be held accountable for that, but too many people on this board want to paint him as incompetent failure and that is just not true.