BlueFin's First Three Rounds...............

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  1. BlueFin

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    I've wavered on this recently, I now believe we can fill our remaining O-line needs after round 1, and I believe there are some playmakers at WR that we may have a shot at that we really need and shouldn't pass up on......So here is my first three round mock:

    ROUND ONE: Brandin Cooks WR......This guy would give us the explosive receiver we need in the slot, as I look at the current set of Dolphin receivers I see too many possession types, this guy is a playmaker who scores touchdowns.


    Alternate Selection if gone: Odell Beckham...I like him only slightly less than Cooks.


    ROUND TWO: Joel Bitonio T/G...........Versatile lineman very similar to Zach Martin.


    Alternate Selection if gone: Ju Wuan James RT


    ROUND THREE: Billy Turner OT...........Athletic ascending player with lots of potential.


    Alternate Selection if gone: If we end up with James in round 2, Dakota Dozier G or Trai Turner G
     
  2. SF Dolphin Fan

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    Man, I love Cooks. It's not that I don't like Gibson, but Cooks is just a nightmare to cover. His only weakness that I see is that he's 5-10, but he plays taller and is a tough, durable football player. I would love Cooks, Shazier or Mosley in R1. I also believe Miami can solve it's offensive line issues in the 2nd-4th rounds.
     
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    I dont see a WR in first round. I think it would only happen after a trade down.
     
  4. BlueFin

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    Who ever really knows what the team is thinking?......All you can do is guess based on the situation of the team.

    I do think outside of Wallace there is no spark in our receiving corp, couple that with the rumblings of Wallace and Hartline possibly not being retained long term and I see a real need there.

    You have to score more points than this offense averaged last year to succeed.
     
  5. finsfanjay13

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    Any draft that has a wide receiver being taken in one of the first two rounds, I cannot complain too much. I'd be happy with this specific scenario.
     
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    interesting draft i guess gibby would be odd man out...a solid east west slot route runner with size...can't see them moving on given how cheap gibby is and if he's healthy or looks on schedule for the season he's gonna produce...possibly an 8 td slot wr over 16 games for us

    damn though cooks is explosive and quick...and cocky as hell...
     
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    I know..I'd hate to see him go somewhere else. This offense could be scary with him in it.
     
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    i actually like odell a little better but would not complain
     
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    It's definitely arguable...I just see a little more quickness in Cooks and love his playmaking ability. I would be happy with either one and I believe this offense needs another "REAL" threat.
     
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    I think if we draft a WR its to upgrade over Hartline. Philbin's "slot" WR isnt that traditional slot role anyway.
     
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    I like Gibson...I just don't think he scares anybody. Brandin Cooks is a beast and I think he will tear the NFL up from the slot.
     
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    Cooks is amazing. So much better than Cobb or Tavon. I don't think Bitonio falls that far, but really like James. Don't like any of the 3rd round choices on the oline. HUGE difference between FCS and NFL caliber defensive lineman. Sure, they may have potential, but rarely do players live up to "potential". Potential means you haven't done anything yet.
     
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    I prefer Beckham too, by a decent margin. Cooks can be shut down, Ekpre-Olomu of Oregon (who is a hell of a corner) had Cooks in his pocket the entire game. His acceleration off the LOS is blinding and his footwork is terrific, but a lot of what he could do in the PAC 12 won't be possible in the NFL. I still see him being a successful receiver, but I see Beckham as being more productive. Cooks does attract massive extra attention, which can't be ignored. He'll pull coverage his way all career.
     
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    I like Cooks but his rating is moving in the wrong direction. He was properly slated a couple of months ago, when he was second tier prior to the onslaught of hype.

    As Fin Thirteen posted, I've seen Cooks blanketed and the defender virtually bored. Not great routes. He's a bully receiver who can really take advantage of mismatches, like the weaker Pac 12 opponents and early in the Hawaii Bowl. There's a tremendous disparity in level of Pac 12 coaching. Along with the great ones you've got idiots like Mike Leach and Sonny Dykes. Cooks got to face them back to back. Otherwise there were a couple of games in which I bet against Oregon State and didn't even worry about Cooks.

    He's special. Tavon Austin is extra special. The truth has a way of shaking itself out.
     
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    I like him better than Tavon coming out.......
     
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    I agree that we should go WR in round 1, and that we don't have to panic about the OL. If Marquis Lee is there, however, he makes the most sense for the future. We'll need a #1 WR when Wallace fizzles out, and this is a rare opportunity to draft one cheap. Before 2013, Lee was a top 3 pick, then fortunately for us, he had a bad year. Cooks or Beckham make sense if Lee is gone. I would trade out of round 2 and draft James in round 3.

    RW
     
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    Lee to me was a product of a system...when Barkley was gone his production dropped. Brandin Cooks put up nearly 2000 yards of non-special teams offense and 18 touchdowns in a 11-12 game season...what?.....This kid is special...and when the dust settles and all the draft guru's move on to 2015 with their measurable yada yada yada.....He will be an NFL Star....mark my words.
     
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    Well, I'm not a measureables guy, to be honest. I'm certainly not saying Cooks won't be a starter on a team. I just believe Beckham will out-produce him over their respective careers. The PAC12 is a great conference to watch. I believe that defensive players who thrive in the PAC12 are well set up for the NFL, having faced heavily offensive-minded teams week-in week-out (albeit facing spread and read-option more than pro-style offense). But the offensive players often have inflated production simply by dint of the comparative lack of emphasis on defense, the standard of some PAC12 teams and the reality for all college teams - there's bound to be a flaky sophomore DB or safety who's a bit at sea and who can be preyed on by a great college receiver. Those guys never make it to the NFL, so the chances of you torching guys all game every game disappears in the pros.

    Cooks is a very talented receiver who took full advantage of what he was given on the college fields of the PAC-12. He'll be successful in the NFL but nowhere near the insane levels of production i college. Expecting that would be naive, imo.
     
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    No one said anything about equalling college numbers.....but theres a slot guy who we traded away who put up huge numbers in New England who didn't have this guys physical skills.

    People get too caught up in size versus production....Its why Zach Thomas went in the 5th round.

    Other than his size...there is no knocks on this kid, he has elite speed and burst and is tough...and oh yeah...he produces.
     
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    Beckham I think is better; however I would draft Mosely if hes there. In the 3rd round I would take BPA RB/WR/TE.
     
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    Yeah your right....he only had 10 catches for 110 yards in that game....what?

    Brandin Cooks (Biletnekoff Award Winner).......yeah he really got owned in that one.

    I'll take Cooks all day long...he will prove me right.
     
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    All of them on the other corner. Mitchell maybe? Scrub. Exactly my point. Cooks was covered about 50:50 between the two and got nothing from Ekpre-Olomu. Again, he's a good receiver, but these guys stats get inflated against the younger kids and the scrubs in the PAC12
     
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    Really?...So I guess Keenan Allen is no good because he was Pac 12....Marquise Lee is no good Pac 12.................

    C'mon man....anybody can be schemed and taken out...if so it opens it up for other players.

    Not sure where your hate for Cooks comes from?.....but the player produces and does it all...a more dangerous Wes Welker as I see it.
     
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    Who said I hated him? I've said more or less the opposite all along. I just said that Beckham will out-produce him in the NFL and you've taken that opinion very seriously. There's not much more I can or want to say about the guy, so why don't we stick to our respective opinions and call it a day.

    You may well be right in the end. That's the beauty of a number of total amateurs like me coming on a site and giving opinions!
     
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    Just a discussion.....when someone makes the general comment you made about a player that "he can be taken out" it projects a dislike for the player.....because any receiver can be taken out if the defense so chooses, although 10 catches for 110 yards is hardly being taken out in a defensive scheme.
     
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    For some reason changing my original thinking and believe they go WR in round 1 if the one they like the most is there. I know we have other needs but I think the coaching staff realizes we have to be more explosive and score more points on offense. That doesn't mean we neglect the OL after.
     
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    I also love Cooks at #19. The man can fly and catch the ball while double teamed.
     
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    I wouldn't take Cooks at #19. Even if I personally like him, The way the roster stands and the depth of the draft, I feel we have to take a RT round 1.

    In addition Philbin seems to prefer the 'bigger' slot receiver and why draft against what the coach wants?

    IMO you get better value with Kelvin Benjamin in 2nd or Jarvis Landry in 3rd.

    In first I would take one of Martin or Kouandijio
     
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    Benjamin is not the explosive player Cooks is, and the point is that RT can be filled in rounds 2 & 3.

    Our receiving corp is full of possession receivers...we need more playmaking...yards after the catch....touchdowns....explosion!
     
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    Sound amazing! I love it!

    Only problem though is the main problem that hindered us all 2013........O'line.

    This has to be a priority. Surely we have learned from last year that selecting a luxury pick over a need in 1st round is setting the roster back as a whole.

    I like Brandon Cooks. Don't get me wrong but who is going to help us more 2014 .....Cooks or Zach Martin?

    Not just that but I also believe Benjamin in 2nd or Landry in 3rd are much better value
     

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