Brown Talks Proceeding Cautiously

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  1. Nublar7

    Nublar7 Retired Finheaven VIP

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    Not really that much of an update, but it definitely looks like Alex Smith's huge contract is a major reason why it is taking so long.

    http://www.finheaven.com/news/2379/
     
  2. FuturePhin

    FuturePhin Pro Bowler

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    Figures. To bad we didnt have that #1 overall those pricks.
     
  3. yankeehillbilly

    yankeehillbilly FinHeaven VIP

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    I think its ridiculous that the cost of one first round contract is determined by the cost of another...and at a different position even.

    Why should all the teams suffer just because SF's guys are idiots?

    Thats like going to Best Buy and being forced to pay too much for a dishwasher just because there was some guy that was in earlier that paid too much for a camcorder.
     
  4. jd13

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    the problem is that ronnies agent is inexperienced and he cant screw up this contract because if he does than he wont get any knew clients...
     
  5. jd13

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    also the amount of guarenteed money he is going to get is a big factor...
     
  6. FuturePhin

    FuturePhin Pro Bowler

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    They should have down to the # cash value of the spot. No clients needed. You get picked #1 overall..this is the $ plain and simple. No more hold outs and all this crap. Its gotta be better orgainzed because the rookies are making way to much money for what they are. Thats "potential"
     
  7. MiamiDolphan

    MiamiDolphan Well-Known Member

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    I don't understand why its taking so long to get him signed and into camp, Smith's contract was done awhile ago, hurry the hell up already.
     
  8. FireWrongstedt

    FireWrongstedt A True Fan

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    I TOTALLY agree. It's a travesty that Alex Smith-- a guy who everyone agreed would've been the fourth QB taken in last year's draft- gets $24 mil guranteed, the most ever for a 1st overall pick- and the only reason he went 1st overall was because there were NO QB's in this draft at all. Smith wasn't a Peyton or even Eli type of prospect coming out of college. He hasn't done anything to warrant getting half of $24 mil. Ronnie needs to get his *** in camp PRONTO. Enough screwing around. Sign your deal and get to work Ronnie.
     
  9. finfansince72

    finfansince72 A True Fan

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    This is pretty much why teams havent been drafting Rb's this high. Its a position thats hard to justify giving huge amounts of guaranteed money--with injuries and career length. Ask EJ or Alexander about it. Stinks that the first time we have a draft pick this high in like a century we are having to dish out this kind of guaranteed deal because the 49ers went nuts. I love Ronnie Brown, Im glad we got him but its hard to imagine giving a Rb like 20mil in guaranteed money, thats just completely nuts.
     
  10. Schleprock

    Schleprock Mad and Surt...Legendary

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    We will not see Brown in the Hall of Fame game, bet on that. Hell, might not even see him the second game either considering the closeness of it right thereafter.
     
  11. BLITZKRIEG

    BLITZKRIEG ~LACUNA LEGIONS~

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    Right now I don't care if Brown signs at all....

    **** HIM!!!

    PHINZ RULE!!!
     
  12. arsenal

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    yup and it should increase at the same rate as the salary cap increase...
     
  13. ErroneousFlint

    ErroneousFlint A True Fan

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    why cant we get away with paying this guy no more than our highest paid player already? and if he wanted guarenteed money he shouldve guarenteed his as$ in camp for the head count.
     
  14. ErroneousFlint

    ErroneousFlint A True Fan

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    i'm definitely with ya on this. more that i'm gonna start using corn in lieu of petro. i'm plain old sickofit.
     
  15. CrunchTime

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    There is an irony to the whole system.

    The worst NFL teams GM (You can also say the worst GM) sets the standard for the pay scale for the rest of the first round picks.

    Its a ridiculous system that must be changed.

    I have said along that RB should not be taken that high in the draft.IMO only a QB justifies that investment (Putting aside the bust possibilities )

    RBs have shorter careers and they are not in 100 pct of the offensive plays like a QB.It looks like Ronny will be alternated with our other RBs anyway.

    In effect Ronnie Brown will be paid MUCH more than Smith if you consider the No of plays he will be in compared to a QB throughout their careers.
     
  16. KB21

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    Standardizing the rookie contracts will be the first step into making all of the salary in players' contracts guaranteed. I really don't think you want to see the NFL travel down that road. Imagine the $100 million deals that Vick and Manning got if it were all guaranteed as opposed to the bonus money in those deals.

    Many may not like the way unproven rookies that get picked high get paid, but the fact of the matter is that it is better than the alternative. I do not want to see an NBA type of situation in the NFL. IMO, the NFL has the best salary structure of all the sports.
     
  17. Saint Greg

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    Todd France actually represents about 25 NFL players and Ronnie Brown isn't quite the only high profile player he has. He represents three of the top 15 players selected in the 2005 draft (Ronnie Brown, Carlos Rogers, Thomas Davis). I don't think he's concerned about not getting any NEW clients.
     
  18. arsenal

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    i dont htink it will necessarily lead to that... you can put a cap on the amount you can give to a rookie in the draft without turning around and guaranteeing every contract... im not saying make it chump change, you can ahve the first pick make his 20 mil guaranteed, but there should be a max.... if you dont i think that will cause more problems... cause now next years number the number 1 guy will want another 20% increase and some dumb GM will have to give it to him to get him on the field... it will eventually cause a problem if nothing is done about it...
     
  19. Syra39

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    I hope that management doen't give in to all this guaranteed money crap. It's just to dangerous for a running back in the first place, and 2nd the money should be there on incentive clauses only. Just because the 49ers made a fool of themselves, don't mean we have to follow suit!
     
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    I'd say incorrect on that one. Ronnie is the highest pick France ever had as an agent...then throw in that France also got 2 other clients picked in the top 15. I think it is very obvious that although France is helping his clients as he should, there is also another major theme here....FRANCE IS LOOKING FOR HIS OWN BIG PAYDAY!! One cannot be too naive to think France doesn't sit in his office alone at night and plan for his first HUGE commission he is going to get rom these 3 players. The man's life will literally be set just with these 3 players alone.


    Also, back to Ronnie and the team. For his sake, I don't think he is going to want to root for Ricky having a good, to great game, Monday night on national TV. if it happens, Ronnie's situation is only going to get worse for him and France.
     
  21. vinivedivichi

    vinivedivichi So you're telling me there's a chance...

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    As much as I would like for us to be able to lowball Brown, we won't get away with giving him a 5% increase. If Smith was given a 20% increase, and Cadillac 15%, there's no way Brown will accept 5%. I agree that it's too much, but our hands are tied. Increase it to around 12 and get him in camp.
     
  22. NYinBostonFin

    NYinBostonFin Playoffs Please!!

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    We have to pay him.

    If he takes us to the SB during his time here we will forget how much we are paying him.
     
  23. byroan

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    I think Wayne is out collecting cans to save up enough money to pay Ronnie. :chuckle:
     
  24. burger13

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    They're 3 Million apart on the bonus......I'd like to see them meet in the middle at 20.5 million and call it a day.

    But all of you people who are bashing Ronnie are flat out WRONG!!

    The Phins are low-balling him, offering only a 5% increase when the standard has been set higher. Maybe it's in their best interest to try this tactic, because it is a lot to guarantee a rookie RB, but don't "hate" on Ronnie for not taking the bait.
     
  25. DrAstroZoom

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    At least negotiations are progressing "cautiously" rather than, say, "rancorously." That would really be destructive.
     
  26. TarHeelFinFan

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    It's not just about willingness to sign him on the Dolphins part. It also has to do with the salary cap. We have a rookie cap that we are required to stay within, and with all of our other draft picks signed both sides know exactly how much money is available. Now is the time for both sides to just STFU and sign.
     
  27. byroan

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    The rookie cap has nothing to do with guaranteed money.
     
  28. TarHeelFinFan

    TarHeelFinFan Goodness Gracious Great Balls of Fire

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    Maybe not, but it certainly impacts our overall cap situation for the next several years. Not to mention rookies shouldn't be talking about gauranteed money, they haven't gauranteed they're going to be league superstars, so they shouldn't be guaranteed league superstar money.
     
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    Well they are and there's nothing we can do about it.
     
  30. TarHeelFinFan

    TarHeelFinFan Goodness Gracious Great Balls of Fire

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    Eventually something will have to be done about it because rookie pay increases are vastly exceeding salary cap increases, so rookies will either eventually take a huge hit all at once, or their $-lust will need to be moderated somehow.
     
  31. BLITZKRIEG

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    I don't hate on Ronnie, I think once he gets in here and gets up to speed, he'll be great. I'm just frustrated that he's not in camp, and getting prepared for the season....

    I hope he signs soon...

    PHINZ RULE!!!
     
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    bigmiamifan Perennial All-Pro

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    So, then give 22 million to a LB? To a punter/kicker who can play til he's 45? Give to an OL who isn't worth that much even at a vet? To a WR that isn't that valuable either?

    It's all value. RB is value as a good RB can change games, can change seasons, can change DC's game plans, can open things up. Often a RB blocks or is the last out for your glorified QB. Dan was the QB of QBs and without a real RB, where did he go? At thins point a good RB is better then a good QB. Take the Edge out of Indy and see what Peyton does.

    There's nothing wrong with getting the huge contract, I just don't like the up front guaranteed crap. If he Winlow's it, we're out a lot of cash, I don't like that about the NBA either.
     

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