Discussion in 'Miami Dolphins Forum' started by DKphin, Aug 5, 2009.
from everything i've been reading, its sounding like the pressure that cam wake has been getting has forced the QBs to rush their decision making and allow others to get sacks. i'm going to cut him some slack.
I can't speak for everyone but I was holding out that Wake was going to be one of those "diamond in the rough" type players. These intial reports are telling me otherwise
One reporter says he impressed...the other says he's depressed....who gives a hoot. The only thing that matters is what happens after the start of the season.
seems like he will end up being nothing special
it is still a long TC, he might just get it going eventually>
Besides with the return of JT, I think we have enough depth at OLB to cause some nice pressure this year.
I am more then willing to be patient and let him develop.
I think you should trust Tony Sparano when he's telling you what issues Cameron Wake might be having in practice so far. He tried to say that he thinks Cam Wake is new to the NFL and therefore having trouble adjusting to the tempo of practice.
Now keep in mind, he's not saying that Wake likes to "take it easy" in practice or anything like that. But he plays a violent position, and his athletic strength is in violent explosion (he can leap tall buildings and lift Randy Starks' freightliner). He's not supposed to turn it up to 11 and go balls out. That's how people get hurt and that's not what practice is about. Practice is about controlled bursts and fluid techniqe. Then when you get into the games and you turn it up to 11, you'll remember your technique (hopefully). In practice, you have to hit that happy medium between staying controlled and using fluid technique, and going so hard that you "flash" at people. It's tough, it doesn't come right away for a linebacker or defensive end position.
The true test of Cameron Wake's metal, will be preseason. That, IMO, is when we'll see him dial it up, go all out, and that's when we'll be able to see when/if he can beat NFL players that are also trying to go all out. If he does well there, that's step one. Step two will be translating that ability to beat players, to also being able to beat schemes and play designs.
If he could piledrive Tom Brady,just once..he'll be worth it.
Give him time to adjust to the NFL, he's got the physical tools, it's all about learning to use those tools. I'm pretty sure he wasn't dominating everyone in the CFL when he first started, it takes time.
Give Wake time. He's learning a new position so he's thinking before moving full speed. Once he is comfortable with what he's doing, he can go 100 mph. I will not worry until I hear Coach complain about his progress not some beat writer.
wait til the real hittin starts and give the guy some time. Some guys just are not expected to be for real overnight and Wake is one of them. Thats why we have JT.
I agree. Wait until you see Wake play in actual games before claiming he's not much of a player.
couldn't have said it any better
still early - he's got plenty of time to show what he can do. glad to hear moses is doing well - he was no joke in college and i thought he would make more of an immediate impact. our OLB depth has the potential to be absolutely stacked.
speaking of OLB depth, is Charlie Anderson still alive?
hes nothing more than a special teamer....
the guy too keep your eyes on is Eric Walden
i'm keeping my eyes on everyone if possible. they are all competing. i was just asking specifically about Anderson because i heard or read absolutely nothing about him.
You could be right, but I just think 3 days means nothing. Its like watching the first minute of a movie.
What some people are failing to realize is that , Wake dominated the CFL. The league is well below NFL standards. Ask any rational football fan thats not a pro CFL fan and they will agree. Will Wake dominate in the NFL maybe, but maybe not. If Wake makes some plays this year he will be worth it in my mind. If people thought he was the second coming of a young Jason Taylor then they're just plane old dreaming and not being rational. Hopefully overtime Wake will improve to be a force wreckoned with.
No one really thought the young Jason Taylor would turn into Jason Taylor either so no one really knows for sure.
Oh well, at least he's still a member of the the FinHeaven Pre-Season Hall of Fame.
i f'in hate charlie "holding penalty" anderson.
Did you hate him when he blocked the punt against the Jets last year?
Wake is a bust. Trade him for a 1st and 2 3rd rounders next year. Someone will bite.:unsure:
He still can be. The whole idea of a diamond in the rough is that they might not look like much at first, but with some work, they can be something special.
That's true. Before the 2000 season, JT was an enigma. He had amazing athletic ability but it didn't consistently translate to his play on the field. He used to be really bad against the run and big tackles simply took him out of the play. JT worked hard and learned from greybeards like Trace Armstrong and made himself into one of the best pass-rushing threats of the early 21st century.
yea definitley going to end up being nothing, good thing you gave him some time and not only 3 days of training camp to make that conclusion...... : /
Give Wake time....next thing we know he'll be getting cut/released
Dont really care if its Wake, Moses or Anderson making the plays. As long as one of them steps it I dont care who it is.
Actually it has nothing to do with pro-CFL'ers as it does the fans that think P.White will come in and dominate the league. These are the ones that then think Wake will walk into camp and go straight to the HOF.
Most of us really like the Wake signing because of the fact that BP looks under every rock to improve this team. None of us believe he'll be more then a situational player for now with room to improve.
I think everyone forgets this guy was a stud in the CFL, which is almost like playing Madden on rookie, and now he is playing with the best of the best...imagine going from rooking to all pro in madden....not an easy trasition. lol...so imagine playing the guys who couldnt make it on an NFL team, to playing against all pro linemen like Long and Carey....he will get it, it just will take some time..
Great response and sense of PERSPECTIVE (often lacking on this site)
I am a little confused. From what I've read in the various local newspaper blogs, Wake has had a few instances where he was putting pressure on the QB.
Not having been to camp myself, I can't verify that.
This thread is the 1st I've heard that he's not shown much.
premature snoozer material
I'll take the wait for his 1st preseason game when he can go balls to the wall and then we can judge.
I am slitly bias as i am a HUGE PSU fan and really want to see him do well. Also its just the 1st week of Camp he needs to be given some slack.
absolutely, the guy has to be given a fair chance. with that i mean all of TC and all of pre-season to see how he does. it's not like he is a chump out there. he had another sack in yesterday's practice. that's how many would-be sacks now? 2? 3?
These reportes totally suck... wasnt there just a report yesterday from omar that Wake was impressive? So which is it you sh**** beat writers
from what i have read.wake is getting very good pressure against the 2nd and 3rd string guys.coach said he is going to put him up against long and carey to get a better feel of where he is really at.guys who get to go to the practises should look for these match ups,and let us know what they see and think.that would be great.
lets WAKE and see
hope he does well hes a bodybuilder playing football
Poor guy has had 3 days of training camp and some people are writing him off already.
i think my reaction was something along the lines of "it's about time he does something other than set us ten yards back."
Some people jump to conclusions way too quick.
This could just as easily be the opposite of a "workout warrior". Some people look spectacular in practice, but don't show up in games. Maybe, depending on whose reports you read, Wake just isn't a practice player. Give him time, GAME time, then decide on him. I'm not just talking one game either. Got to give the guy some time before you call him a bust straight up.
I think everyone is also forgetting Wake is learning a new position, new defense, new assignments, new techniques, new teammates and new terminology on top of that. That's why Sparano is saying he's basically a rookie. His learning curve is vast and and multi-layered.
Moses, who should have already cleared those hurdles last year, SHOULD be ahead of him in the 3rd practice of training camp. Otherwise, Moses really sucks.
He had back to back sacks today.
Just going off of fact here.
We'll see what he does when pre-season rolls around.
Can't wait much longer.............
Think again b/c now they are saying he is the only one getting pressure