Can we all agree to root for Jax against the Pats?

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  1. WestPhish

    WestPhish Seasoned Veteran Donator

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    From now on I am a Jacksonville fan. They are a Florida team, and they have a chance to knock the stinking Pats. Can they do it?...
     
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    Locke They looked like strong hands.

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    Nope. Unless you trust Blake Bortles to outduel Tom Brady.
     
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    joenhre Starter Finheaven VIP Donator

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    I think they can. The Patriots defense is not all that talented. Belichick does a masterful job but they can be beaten if you play physical and can run the ball. They will stack the box and try to make Bortles beat them. It is up to the Jags to still stick with the run and for Bortles to make some throws while not turning the ball over.

    The Jags defense has the talent to destroy that very average Patriots O-line and pressure Brady. They also have guys that can limit Gronk's effectiveness. The Jags faced a more talented offense vs the Steelers. Ben may not be as great as Brady but he does a much better job of escaping pressure and improvising. I highly doubt the Jags D will be giving up over 40 points again.

    The biggest obsticle the Jags will face is the Foxboro officiating crew. They will do whatever they can to try to hand the Patriots the game.
     
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    Tom Coughlin knows how to beat Brady.
     
  5. WestPhish

    WestPhish Seasoned Veteran Donator

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    Our sorry team did it, albeit at home, but the Jags are a much better team than we are.
     
  6. Fins1971

    Fins1971 C'mon Dolphins

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    Right now Patriots defense is playing the best of any unit left in the playoffs when it comes to scoring defense. They had a rocky start to season when they started 2-2 and allowed 122 points in 4 games. Since then 12-1 and they have allowed the fewest points of any team (188) over that last 13 games. That is 14 points a game. The highest point total allowed during that stretch is 27 when the Dolphins gave them their lone loss. The next highest is 24 to Pittsburgh.

    Minnesota has allowed 200 points in their last 13 games (15.3) and Jacksonville has allowed 222 in their last 13 games (17.0)

    Jacksonville got their defensive rating by bullying a bunch of offensively challenged teams and holding them to 10 points or under 9 times. When faced with real offensive teams they got steamrolled and gave up 42, 44, 27 and 27. Minnesota has been a little better during their 12-1 stretch but surrender 30 plus point twice and looked mediocre at the end of Saints game when they allowed 4 scoring drives to end the game.
     
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    Fins1971 C'mon Dolphins

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    I laid $110 on the Patriots to win the AFC the day after they beat the Steelers at -130. Will be rooting for them.

    Considering a money line bet is over -400 buying in early bought me some extra potential profit. $$$
    The Pats are 12-5 against the spread this year so I probably won't need it but still liking my situation of not having to worry about covering the spread.
     
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    joenhre Starter Finheaven VIP Donator

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    Impressive in a way but also unimpressive since the Patriots only faced one legitimately good offense during that 12-1 run. That was the Steelers who were without their best WR for much of the game. The rest of the offenses the Patriots faced during that 13 game stretch were some of the worst in the league. The only other decent offenses they faced were the the Chargers (ranked #13 pts/gm) & Falcons (ranked #15 pts/gm). So lets not pretend the Patriots defense is some juggernaut. Their defense is a great scheme that can cover up for limited talent. While the Jaguars defense is simpler but gets by with superior talent.

    The Jaguars have the #2 scoring defense and the #5 scoring offense. The Patriots have the #5 scoring defense and #2 scoring offense. Neither team faced a daunting schedule in 2017. The Patriots schedule was tougher, if you go by strength of schedue, so you can say their rankings are more legit. Still the Patriots faced a lot of weak teams as well. The Patriots are the more experienced team but they certainly are not unbeatable.

    I think many people are overlooking the Jaguars and have already penciled in the Patriots for the Superbowl. While the Patriots are the legit favorite, I wouldn't count out a young hungry talented team like the Jaguars. If the Mark Sanchez led Jets can upset a heavily favored Patriots team in Foxboro then I don't see why a Blake Bortles led Jaguars team can't pull off a similar feat.
     
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    Fins1971 C'mon Dolphins

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    During that 12-1 stretch the Patriots held those top 15 scoring teams BELOW their season average.

    Chargers score 22 per game, Patriots held them to 13
    Pittsburgh scores 25.4 per game, Patriots held them to 24
    Falcons score 22 per game and Patriots held them to 7

    You can only beat who you face. Jags will be held below their 26 points per game scoring average on Sunday.
     
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    Fins1971 C'mon Dolphins

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    Another thing being overlooked is all the defensive TD's the Jags have scored. 8 this season. Wouldn't count on it against a well coached Patriots team. And even if they get one it isn't the back breaker it would be against most teams. Brady proved last year that a pick 6 isn't going to keep him from winning the game. See Super Bowl VI. Take away all those defensive scores and the Jags offense is right at the NFL average for scoring.
     
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    WestPhish Seasoned Veteran Donator

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    The key to beating the Pats has always been getting to Tom Brady, hitting him early and often, making him uncomfortable in the pocket and making him hurry his throws. The Pats are not a grind it out running team, so you take away or limit their quick passing game and they become mere mortals. Obviously, it's easier said than done, but when it's done right, as the Fins did, the Pats are very beatable.
     
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    Fins1971 C'mon Dolphins

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    You may see the Patriots morph to a grind it out team this weekend. Jags weakness on D is defending the run (26th in yards given up per attempt.)
    To keep Brady clean they may just pound it down the Jags throat and play a low scoring game.
     
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    joenhre Starter Finheaven VIP Donator

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    The Jags biggest weakness is Blake Bortles. He played one of his best games of the sesson in Pittsburgh. I don't believe he will have that type of game vs the Patriots but I also don't see the Jaguars defense playing as bad as they did in the 2nd half vs the Steelers. IMO this game will be close and will be decided in the the 4th quarter. I think Brady will get hit often and will turn the ball over at least once. It will come down to how many times Bortles and the Jags turn the ball over.

    Anyone wonder how things would have turned out if the Jesse James TD was not overturned in the Patriots vs Steelers game? Would the game have come down to that play if Pittsburgh had Antonio Brown for that entire game? Would you have rather seen Steelers vs Patriots, Steelers vs Jaguars or Jaguars vs Titans in AFC Championship game? Personally I like seeing some new teams in it so I would have been happy with Jaguars vs Titans. Hopefully the Dolphins make enough positive moves that we can be discussing them in next years playoffs.
     
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    I am sure they may try but that isn't the strength of their offense. If both teams try to grind it out, I believe in the long run that plays more into the Jaguars gameplan. Not sure if the Patriots will have as much success running the ball vs the Jaguars as some other teams have. Doing so would certainly protect Brady from getting hit more but I think it would limit the Patriots scoring chances. A low scoring game benefits the underdog with the weaker offense.
     
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    The Jags need to do to Brady what many teams did to Dan Marino in his playoff losses. Keep him off the field, Fournette and the OL need to have a monster game for the Jags to have a chance. I don't believe the Jacksonville offense can do another high scoring performance 2 games in a row.
     
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    Fins1971 C'mon Dolphins

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    There in lies the problem. Patriots don't normally give up monster games to running backs. Especially in the playoffs. Henry put up 191 scrimmage yards against Chiefs but then was held to 49 yards against NE. Fournette only put up 119 against the Steelers but had 3 TD's. The Patriots have only allowed 6 rushing TD's all season. And 2 were in the opening game loss. So count on Fournette not being able to contribute as much.
     
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    The Jags have no shot. That GREAT Jacksonville defense gave up 37 to Tennessee (LOL), 44 to SF, 42 last Sunday to he Steelers and lost to the Jets and Cardinals. If Josh McCown put up 23 on that defense you really think Brady is putting up less than 30? HAHAHAHA! NE will figure things out and score plenty of points. I think the Jags will struggle even more on offense then on defense. They will be lucky to put up 14 points on the Patriots. I don't think Mariota is very good but I trust him more than Bortles and he put up 14. NE will stuff Fournette, who was in a car accident today but supposedly uninjured, and make Bortles beat them only much like Tennessee the Jags don't have the horses at WR to beat the Patriots talented secondary. For the Jags to have any chance their offensive line is gonna have to dominate loaded fronts in order to get Fournette going and keep it really close and low scoring. They won't be able to do either and once JAX is playing catch up, change the station.

    This is a laugher, NE 31, JAX 10

    I think we're overrating the young Jax defense. NE will not need to consistently beat Ramsey and Bouye to win.

    Just want to point out before someone says, "well NE lost to us" that was without Gronk and Van Noy. Those are HUGE losses for this current Pats team.
     
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    Jags will stun the world as the Patriots' smoke and mirrors turn into fog blinding Belichick and Brady lol.

    I am predicting Jags 27 Patriots 24.

    With 30 seconds left in the 4th quarter. Patriots with the ball on the Jags 38. Brady is hit by Calais Campbell knocking Brady's helmet off just before he gets the ball away to the Meathead. The ball bounces off Meathead's facemask into the hands of A.J. Bouye. The ref who was about to throw a flag on Campbell for touching Brady is viciously hit and knocked out cold by the raging Meathead. The remaining officials dazed and confused just stand there while Bouye is finally tripped up by an insanely angry Giselle who somehow snuck onto the field. Too late. Chaos and more confusion commences as time expires. The officials still in a daze are unable to gather themselves together to figure out a way to hand a win to Patriots. With no other options available reluctantly the Jaguars are declared AFC Champions.
     
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    Eh pats are 20th in rushing offense and last 5 games of the season gave up 183, 120, 143, 84, and 40 to the Bills, Dolphins, Steelers, Bills, and Jets. You can definitely run on them this year. Maybe not score on ground but maybe make it a FG game 13-10 jaguars?
     
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    On paper the Jags don't have a shot and they are the clear underdog here....but the "any given Sunday" rule applies. I am definitely rooting for them.....
     
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    Routing for the Jags all day
     
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    Rooting for the Jags-yes. Thinking they will win-no. Hope I'm shocked.
     
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    Fins1971 C'mon Dolphins

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    Brady has never lost to the Jags

    Games involving the Patriots and Jacksonville beginning with the 2000 season:

    2003 season: Week 15 Sun Dec 14 2003 at NE New England 27, Jacksonville 13
    2005 season: A wc StN Jan 7 2006 at NE New England 28, Jacksonville 3
    2006 season: Week 16 Sun Dec 24 2006 at Jac New England 24, Jacksonville 21
    2007 season: Adiv StN Jan 12 2008 at NE New England 31, Jacksonville 20
    2009 season: Week 16 Sun Dec 27 2009 at NE New England 35, Jacksonville 7
    2012 season: Week 16 Sun Dec 23 2012 at Jac New England 23, Jacksonville 16
    2015 season: Week 3 Sun Sep 27 2015 at NE New England 51, Jacksonville 17
    2017 season: Achp Sun Jan 21 2018 Jac at NE

    Primary team the Patriots: 7-0
    Points for the Patriots: 219
    Points against the Patriots: 97

    Typically a 31-14 Patriot victory

    In Foxborough more like 34 -12 average score.
     
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    Fins1971 C'mon Dolphins

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    Brady has losing record against Coughlin. But he did finally beat him after Super Bowl losses.

    2007 season: Week 17 StN Dec 29 2007 at NYG New England 38, NY Giants 35
    2007 season: SB42 Sun Feb 3 2008 NY Giants 17, New England 14 at Glendale, AZ
    2011 season: Week 9 Sun Nov 6 2011 at NE NY Giants 24, New England 20
    2011 season: SB46 Sun Feb 5 2012 NY Giants 21, New England 17 at Indianapolis, IN
    2015 season: Week 10 Sun Nov 15 2015 at NYG New England 27, NY Giants 26


    Primary team the Patriots: 2-3
    Points for the Patriots: 116
    Points against the Patriots: 123
     
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    People said the Gaints had no shot. The Jags being in this position is not luck....it’s the Coughlin effect. People are crazy to think that he doesn’t have input. A Coughlin led team save us from Brady being 7-0 in SBs. The Jags also ended Jim Kelly’s career in the playoffs which will happen to Brady Sunday. I was telling my friends in November that this is the game I wanted to see. The only reason Big Ben put up 42 points against the Jags is because he is a sandlot QB. Brady falls apart under pressure like that. I’m hoping for a **** ton of snow so the passing game will be effected.
     
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    There’s not going to be any snow. It’s actually going to be warmer than it has been. The rest of your prediction will prove as accurate. NE will be going to the Super Bowl, again.
     

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