CB's in drills today

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  1. fanfin

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    holding off all thoughts on CB's till transition drills today, in class till 2 so can't watch till tonight, wanna see if rhodes and trufant can explode their hips and look smooth in transitions. Not a big 40 guy myself but wanna see a first round corner run atleast in the low 4.5's.. I don't see Milliner,Rhodes, or Trufant as low 4.4 guys, I expect Banks to run the best among potential 1st rounders.. Post your input and opinion from there performance in position drillls today!! We all know we are drafting atleast 1 corner, post about your favorite 2-3!!...back to algebra :(
     
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    Wow, Amerson with an unofficial 4.38. Where the heck did that come from?
     
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    Banks ran slower than expected his first run (projected as a 4.55 ran 4.59) but speed isn't his strength. 40 times are interesting, but we gotta wait till the positional drills. Will Davis and Leon McFadden will probably make bank today
     
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    Banks second run in the 4.6s. I kind of expected him to be 4.5+ but you'd like to see better than 4.6
     
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    Just for reference, doesn't sound like anybody really believes Dee Milner is a 4.31
     
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    4.35 for Gratz. I like that kid, maybe just a little small.
     
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    Amerson could really rise
     
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    Banks slower than I expected... good possibility he could be a Dolphin.
     
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    Amerson at FS.....hmmmm
     
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    He's not.

    Put some pads on these guys and see what they run.

    They play in pads, let's see what they run in pads. Let's find out what they run in pads on a hot day after already running around for an hour.

    These dudes are fresh out of the shower, well rested, in their underwear and under the comforts of a dome.

    LOL @ 40 times.
     
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    as I said in the VIP forum, we gotta see how these guys do in position drills. The 40 hurts Banks a bit, but if he does great in position drills he'll be fine. Some of the fast guys may not be able to change direction
     
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    I don't think David Amerson ever really sank as much as people thought.

    When he got burned deep by Cordarrelle Patterson it was because he didn't react well to Patterson's double move out-and-up.

    Johnthan Banks on the other hand reacted perfectly to the same move and didn't get burned, knocked away the pass.
     
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    But how do you explain him getting beat for five touchdowns against Miami? Dorsett, Scott, & Hurns are all different types of receviers & beat him in a variety of ways.

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    That's crazy, I didn't think he was that fast.
     
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    Amerson had a bad game . . . and Stephen Morris had a great game as well as his WRs. That Miami speed snuck up on him and bit him in the ***. Still, one game doesn't define a career and it shouldn't in Amerson's case.
     
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    I don't like Banks in the NFL at corner...perhaps at safety, not quick enough for the NFL.
     
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    Poyer at 4.46. Thank you Jordan. I'm telling you, this is the CB pick in the second!
     
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    Honey Badger had a real nice day. Banks disappointed. Mayock has peaked my interest in Josh Johnson and Shamarko Thomas.
     
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    Darius Slay unofficial 4.37. Didn't look that quick to me.

    Interesting if it is, because the knock on him was always pace. He could be in line for a big rise.
     
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    Trufant 4.31 unofficial.

    Big result for Desmond.

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    Vaccaro 4.59 unofficial. That may hurt him a bit - in terms of him being a top 10 candidate.
     
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    Shamarko Thomas 4.38.
     
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    It wasn't just one game, although not even a half-crippled, still hung-over from the night before UDFA gives up 5 TD passes in one game. He was torched by Patterson and Zach Rogers (borderline UDFA) for 3 TD's (one on a reverse) in the season opener. Followed by getting smoked by DeAndre Hopkins, who damn near runs 4.6 vs. Clemson.

    His problem is transition and hips, not long speed. That's why he was always playing at least 10 yards off his man in a soft zone... he played in a scheme designed to hide his flaws... which is inability to man up and transition.

    Again, long speed isn't the problem. Taylor Mays had long speed, but you don't want him at cornerback.

    The thing is, there's at least two threads in here that date back prior to the opening of the season where I forecasted that this would happen to Amerson. A legitimate cover corner does not stay in a soft zone 100% of the time. They just dont. Trust me.

    They're left on an island playing bump-and-run or press, especially behind pressure (3rd downs, etc.) People don't realize that you can watch how the DC utilizes a player and already have a pretty firm grasp on why he's being used that way.
     
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    Amerson can tackle and has outstanding ball skills, as long as the action is schemed to stay in front of him. However, one double-move later... you better have safety help cheating over the top towards Amerson if you're going to leave him at corner, which just limits your entire defensive scheme.

    I think he's a safety. Always have.
     
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    They have Rhodes at 4.41, a little better than expected I think. Certainly didn't hurt himself.
     
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    Wow. Steve Williams with a 4.25
     
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    Little Trufant with a 4.31. He was already seen as a late first but with Banks really struggling today, Trufant has a chance to shoot up the boards
     
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    Xavier Rhodes looks like he hurt himself. 4.41 on both runs.
     
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    They were projecting him at about 4.5 so I doubt it hurt him, it actually may have helped him. 10 yard split was very good.
     
  28. j-off-her-doll

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    Duke Williams ran a very solid 4.43. Like him a lot.

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    Think he means that he actually hurt himself. He came up gimpy at the end of his 2nd 40. Looked like a hamstring.
     
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    Again, people kept saying this, and I'm just going to throw this up from a post of mine about a week and a half ago:



    Seems Mississippi State fans know what they're talking about.


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    I'm pretty sure he meant he hurt himself as in hurt his hamstring at the end of the second run. Not hurt his draft stock.
     
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    who has looked most impressive in speed turn and transition drills?

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    I like Trufant as my #2 CB off film. Helped himself by 4.31 unofficial, two brothers are NFL CB's.
     
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    I see that my boy Adrian Bushell ran a 4.5 forty and put up 17 reps on the bench. How has he looked in the position drills? I think he'll be a very good mid-round pick up for someone (maybe even the Dolphins).
     
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    Banks's slow forty could be a good thing for Miami. Some say we might of considered him at 12, but according to Mike Mayock, who really likes him, he said his 40 time probabaly dropped him out of the 1st rd. He could be there in rd 2 for us now.
     
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    My bad. Thought this was for general DB's.
     
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    Trufant may of moved ahead of Banks today as the 3rd best CB in the draft. The guy I think is the #2 corner behind Milner, Xavier rhoades did pretty well. 4.41
     
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    Banks looked very good in the drills. Really smooth. I'm still a big fan of his.

    There are a lot of intriguing DBs to choose from with our top 5 picks. Of the lesser lights, Micah Hyde is a guy I like that doesn't get a lot of hype. He's maybe a little stiff-hipped, but he answered concerns about his straight-line speed with a 4.47. Would make a nice safety convert at the worst and you'll probably get him in the 4th or 5th.

    To me, there is a very congested market for CBs and safeties in rounds 2 to 4, a bit like the WR market. Our scouts and evaluators are going to have to be on the money to separate the great from the good and the bust. This is a huge draft for us on so many levels and the Combine has made it a little more difficult, by not putting a lot of separation between guys.
     
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    My bad, hope it is nothing serious. I am not watching just got my info off Walter Football.
     
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    Banks didn't look good to me in drills. Think he looked awkward changing directions, had trouble staying low, wasted movements.
     
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    I've been trying to get the point across since November that Banks' was going to drop. He was exposed too many times during the season.

    Leon McFadden and Jamar Taylor are two CB's that everyone needs to get hot on. I've been on 'em for a while.
     
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    :lol: I should have made it clearer. He pulled up limping.
     
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    This has to be the best group of DBs running the 40 in the history of the combine. Only one disappointing unofficial time, numerous sub 4.4 times, & it seems like everyone else ran in the 4.4s. As a whole I'm very impressed.
     

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