Change "Suck For Luck" to "Luck Sucks"!!

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  1. Oradeana

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    I've seen LUCK before, and solid "competition", and I watched LUCK for about 85% of the game against OREGON, and I was impressed...BADLY!

    1) He makes poor decisions, like everyone else. I don't know what he's thinking--or seeing--sometimes, especially against a good opponent.

    2) He doesn't handle pressure well at all, especially considering he has "tools" to do so. (E.g., his mobility) And then he panics, and makes mistakes beyond even stupidity.

    3) Half of his passes "flutter", and while he has enough "arm strength", that flutter makes his passes harder to handle. That's too big an advantage to give a CB at the next level, especially on one throw that a very good NFL QB MUST be able to make: the 20 yard "out" to the wide side of the field.

    4) His "deep ball" isn't much at all.

    I will watch LUCK in whatever Bowl Game STANFORD goes to: that should provide another game against solid competition. But I'm beginning to wonder about LUCK. I think back to PHIL SIMMS' recent analysis of LUCK's "game", and find myself agreeing w/him more and more.
     
  2. The Confessor

    The Confessor Doesnt play well with others

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    Sorry, but this is just silly, and incredibly inaccurate.

    I am starting to see why S4Lers get so frustrated.
     
  3. Oradeana

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    Says who, you? I know what I saw against OREGON, and I'm beginning to agree w/PHIL SIMMS's analysis.
     
  4. The Confessor

    The Confessor Doesnt play well with others

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    How many games have you seen Luck play?

    Phill Simms is a Maladroit that took too many hits to the head.
     
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    he didn't play well and its a little concerning especially this one of the times he played aganist a decent defense. Miami if they have to take a shot at him even if he a bust, there is no way they cannot take him and be able to sell tickets.

    Its almost like they are in a lose lose situation he might not be the 2nd coming of Elway but you just have to make the leap, but its going to burn if he does suck when he gets the pro's. No one knows this and if they claim to they are clueless
     
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    Wow lol. Bad decisions? No college QB who calls his own plays makes too many bad decisions out else he rides the bench.
     
  7. Clipse

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    Bad thread is bad.
     
  8. hoops

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    lucks problem at stanford is when they face a team with elite athletes at wr the stanford group can't win consistently...pretty much luck is left trying to make plays with his te's and the running game...i do know the post pattern off the outside than back inside move to whalen for the td i think it was the timing of that ball could not have been better...that play from at the los presnap thru the catch was textbook...couldn't have been done better...and it was a rope

    this is the same concern i talked with magoo about after the usc game...when the stanford cardinal play against teams who can limit the running game and press man the wrs ie lsu or bama etc they are gonna be in trouble...cause the wrs are pretty much pedestrian at lucks disposal...
     
  9. The Confessor

    The Confessor Doesnt play well with others

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    So, that means if we had him, we would still have the same problems?
    In the Pro's, he will be seeing better defenses than he has ever faced in his life, and the includes taking away his running game. He hasn't seen many great defenses to date, but he will at the next level. Pretty much every weekend.
     
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    it means the wrs he plays with right now blow when faced up with high end competition...i don't think our wrs blow...he'll make plays with them...montgomery the freshman has some talent but he's raw and he's not special anyways whalen is more a route runner who makes plays off the timing of the throws from luck and will never outrun anyone...owusus garbage

    forgot to mention the ball luck threw b/t the safety and corner in the tight red for another td that ball was pure money...saw it roped it split the defenders 6 points...that was an nfl throw...can't say enough how money this kids in the red zone...something we struggled mightily with henne
     
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    Well, no. It was still a collegiate throw, against a very mediocre defense.

    I like Luck, but even your posts are starting to point out EXACTLY what I have been saying all along.

    He might be great, but until he actually plays against some good defenses, we don't know squat. To date, he has played very few solid defenses, and that is only at the collegiate level. You have been around long enough to know that LOTS of guys make great throws in College only to see they can't do jack-squat at the next level. I'm not saying Luck is "That guy" because, although I have seen over a dozen games of his, I still haven't seen him play against enough good defenses. These Ducks still have the 26th defense...not a top 10 or even 20, but 26th. I would expect him to shred it.
     
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    most college qbs don't even see that play let alone execute it...i think no i'm very confident that the wrs and the offense as a whole not featuring the wrs are holding luck back from making more plays...and when he gets more talent in the pros at the position he'll fare just fine...

    i'm not gonna let one game vs oregon where i thought he played solid anyways minus a few late decision throws offset 2 years worth of college tape and change anything...

    i'm all in
     
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    So, 2 years of tape against very bad defenses sells you?

    Ever see tape of Timmy Chang? That kid could thread a football through the eye of a needle, and did it often!

    Lets wait and see how he looks against another solid defense (Oregon is NOT a solid defense)
     
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    i'm not holding my breath for him to make a bunch of vertical plays with the wrs against a high end defense team...stanford knows what butters their bread and its the te's the running game and pa off the running game...they know their wrs lack substance...they'll try and play to their strenghts regardless of opponent
     
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    Confessor, your basic argument is that you don't know how to evaluate the QB position - how to differentiate A. Luck from J. Chang - so NO ONE ELSE should be able to evaluate it either. Whatever helps you sleep at night.
     
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    If Luck had a WR like Broyles, that offense would be unstopable.
     
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    thats why if you watch stanford and the running game is being nullified their in trouble...they can't lure you to sleep and then bang you off pa vertical or get the te's down the field if that running games gone...teams start to squat on their wrs on the outside and then its all on luck

    everythings predicated off that running game...without it the wrs are exposed...it's not lucks fault...its what he's been given to work with
     
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    i'm not a huge broyles guy...i think he's somewhat of a product of that system at oklahoma...where guys are open all over the place and rarely rerouted free releases everywhere...i think his nfl upside is deion branch like level...and that was before the knee injury

    if he gets with the right team ie pats a spread like system he'll make plays...but i don't think he's special
     
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    Been saying Stanford isn't that good outside of their offensive line and QB. Tight ends are nice but that team lacks serious skill players. Can't keep up with a team full of skill players with elite speed everywhere. But when Stanford loses it's Luck's fault the defense gave up what they did.

    "We need more than Luck. One player doesn't make a team good."

    Then Stanford loses and "Luck Sucks."

    :lol:

    You guys must not be auditory learners. God forbid you hear the **** that you've been typing.
     
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    fleeners a nice player and all but he comes off as soft to me all the time...he needs to be more aggressive...i'd still take him at the top of the 3rd given he's gonna test off the charts and if used properly he can make plays but i think he needs to man up a little bit...use his body and arms to create separation...he's basically a 250 lb wr out there with his mannerisms...get midevel on these cats
     
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    26th in scoring defense, 14th in opponent passer rating, 9th in yards/attempt, 28th in completion percentage. 2nd in passes defended, 1st in passes broken up. So saying Oregon isn't solid when in fact they're a very solid pass defense isn't accurate.

    And just lol at comparing Timmy Chang to Andrew Luck. You're lost, and I'm not sure if there's even hope for you. Seriously you just compared a player running June Jones' Run and Shoot to Andrew Luck. :lol:
     
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    Wouldn't surprise me at all of I learned that a lot of you people think wrestling is real.
     
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    Wait. You mean it isn't?
     
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    :lol::lol:..and here i thought it was also..:lol::lol:
     
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    Anyways,watch how far Stanford falls when Luck goes pro,hell,even my bro said David Shaw will be exposed as to what kind of HC he really is when Luck leaves.
     
  26. The Confessor

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    Well, my argument has nothing to do with anybody named J. Chang. All I stated is that Timmy Chang (Here I'll help you out, first off, Timmy starts with a T and not a J, second off, he was a QB for Hawaii ) could thread a needle. That is where my comparison stops.

    My evaluation states only that NOTHING else. Go ahead and read whatever other delusional thoughts you might have into it. It's your pie-in-the sky dream, who am I to stop it. At least I know who the hell Timmy Chang is...and was.......Moron

    Go do some research before you spew crap
     
  27. The Confessor

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    Okay, so being in the top 20 or 30 in categories is a good defense? Really?

    I am VERY sure theres no hope for you. 20 or 30 in the Country? Pretty sure teams are certainly quivering having to face that ROFLMFAO
     
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    Yes, being 20 or 30 is pretty good considering there are over a 100 teams in division 1 football. Get a clue. Comparisons to Timmy Chang? I knew you were a Luck hater ( aka lover of mediocrity), but please.
     
  29. LouPhinFan

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    14th
    9th
    28th
    2nd
    1st

    I'd say they're more than "top 20 or 30" in defensive categories. There's a lot of single digits in that list.

    We get it, you're not a Luck fan. I think what everyone is trying to tell you is don't try and water down other people's supporting arguments just because you can't come up with ones that are solid for your side. Sure he hasn't faced SEC caliber defenses, but when a throw is there, it's there. A window is a window, whether its 2 DBs from Cal or 2 DBs from 'Bama. The real difference is the number of windows for the NFL caliber throws that he'll see. He'll see considerably fewer playing against LSU than he will against Oregon.

    Stanford's next game, against Cal, will be a good test for Luck. Cal is currently 29th against the pass among FBS teams.
     
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    100% correct.
     
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    The Confessor Doesnt play well with others

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    Actually, you DONT get it.

    I am very much a Luck fan, I have been for over a year now, I just question exactly how good he is. He has not been tested much his entire collegiate career. Very little actually.

    We will see how he looks against Cal.
     
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    Oh, I have LOTS of facts not clues.

    So, by your own admission, he looks good against the 30th defense, that is indeed mediocrity. Right? You'r pissed if we finish 10th place cause that would all but cost us a playoff game. Guess what, that puts us exactly where the Oregon defense is.

    Don't forget that the drop off after about 40 on that list is DRAMATIC!!!!


    I am NOT a Luck hater, just a realist. I have been watching the kid longer and more than the majority of the posters in here, and I am just being real. I am a HUGE fan of the Cardinal. I think he's going to be a good QB, but I am not sold he is the next coming of XXXXXX. Not enough proof on the table to outline this. You see, I prefer to actually follow with my own eyes than just do as the media masses dictate. Get it?
     
  33. LouPhinFan

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    I'm confused then. Why does the title of this thread say "Change Suck for Luck to Luck Sucks!!". I mean you even put two exclamation points on it. Maybe you should have named it something like "Is Luck as Good As We All Say He is?" You sure don't sound like fan. I guess you're right, I don't get it.
     
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    Well, I can DEFINATELY say you dont get it.


    For starters, its not my thread. In fact, I was the 2nd person to post, and THIS is my post

    Hopefully that helps you see things a little differently :up:
     
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    My fault.
     
  36. The Confessor

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    It's all good brother.
    Its a very heated debate, and for good reason.

    For the record, I do think Luck will be a good QB. I have seen TONS of him! Just not sure he is going to live up the the hype that many in here have put on him...maybe, but I stand to what I keep saying. He has played 2 very good defenses (Well, if you consider last years Notre Dame Defense as very good). He looked like absolute Crap against ND last year, then followed it up looking very damn good against the best defense he has seen in the Orange Bowl. He has looked pretty darn good so far this year, but I am waiting till he plays a top 10 defense instead of these glorifyed High School vanilla defenses he has seen so far this year. That will tell quite a bit IMHO
     

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