Charles Clay VS. Dion Sims as Starting TE

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  1. finfan54

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    Last night, just before bed I decided to take a peak at some of the game with Clay in.

    The first thing that jumps out at me is Clay lined in and blocking. I couldnt help my first reaction is Dion Sims should be in every time to block. Why isn't he? Because he is not a starter and coaches dont want to throw their rookie into pro games early.

    OK, but why would you have a lesser blocker in if he is not as good as the well-tooled Sims? Answer; for the passing game.

    But if Clay is not a true TE why would you want him lined in and going out for passes from that position when he has been mostly from H-back, a second TE, or FB position?

    It just seems to me that a true TE, whether a rookie or not, should be playing that spot because they can block very well, and can learn the routes and offense while playing every week and be more safety valve than seam threat until they take the training wheels off. Clay is better when he lines up in different spots or as second TE with Fasano.

    Its just a waste having the smaller Clay play the TE position full time. Keeping the pass catching from the game out of the equation, this alone says to me to throw this kid into the fire. This kid has a head on his shoulders. He has some character. This is one guy I think they should play early and often and see what they get. No balls no glory. He is your only true TE.
     
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    Come on dude, why are you trying to make sense on this board:crazy:
     
  3. hammond47

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    I'd rather go with Sims personally. I don't think Clay is or will ever be a starting caliber tightend
     
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    Clay isn't as small as you make him out to be he's 6'3" 250lbs... I mean dustin killer was 6'2" 255.. just saying.
     
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    Let's throw some passes to Sims and see how he does with the rock.
     
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    I dont think either guy is a worthy starting Te in the nfl right now but Im more inclined to want to see what Sims can do.
    Clay may be better for our offense but at least Sims may become a decent starter.
     
  7. Fin Fan in Cali

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    Bro we have to see what he can do. I just hope Sherman doesn't abandon the TE position all together.
     
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    I think you will see a decent amount of formations with both Sims and Clay in the lineup at the same time. If you just put Sims in for blocking and Clay for passing situations you are kinda showing your hand.
     
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    Exactly. Reverse the play and let Clay block and let Sims go out and catch a ball.
     
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    Well-said.
     
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    If Sims doesnt pan out it will be three straight yearsof draftin TE without producing a decent starter. Im all about giving him a chance because neither of the alternatives is very good.
     
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    Sims, in my opinion, should see the field a lot more in this coming game. The coaching staff will want to see a live-game scenario to evaluate him further. If both of them show very little, I wouldn't be surprise to see the front office try to make a trade for a starting caliber TE.
     
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    To amplify, CLAY last season seemed to be able to circle out of the backfield, and was often running as free as the wind at c. 15-20 yards, especially crossing the field. T-HILL hit him more than once for c. 18 or so yards gained. The way I saw it, NO LB could stay w/him: NONE!!! And S's were hard-pressed to do so. So, if you want a "mismatch", there's one right there, and it's an easy one to create. SIMS might just turn out to be that "pearl of great price"--a COMPLETE TE. Well, now's the time to start finding out, one way or another. IF, AT THE LEAST, SIMS turns out to be another (slightly better) FASANO, then our TE pairing could give DCs everywhere a BAD migraine. And we won't have to look around for a TE to do it. So, let's try it!!! We don't owe any opposing DCs a living!
     
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    Evan Rodriguez
     
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    We have to keep the faith that this will be our new starter. Put Sims in a place to succeed rather than setting him up for failure.
     
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    Not sure we can set him up for failure unless he is getting bad coaching. There is playing time available. If he is good he will most likely play. There was a great chance for Egnew last year and he couldnt even get active, not the fault of coaches .
     
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    I would go with Sims. He's bigger, a better blocker, has good(better?) hands and is not that much slower. He just seems like a more natural TE
     
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    I am not sold on Sherman as the OC.
     
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    this

    One more chance for Clay then i'd hit the waver wire or make a trade. Jeff overspent for good talent in free agency and i think he'll do it again if necessary.
    A decent seam threat would do wonders for the offense. Keller was that guy. Go get a replacement if no one steps up.
     
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    I was sold when we hired him seemed to be a good hire. After year one Im on the fence, there were some very unimpressive things he did with our offense at times.
     
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    We will get a better feel for Sherman after this season for sure. If the O doesnt produce as it should then he will be gone. I think he did just ok.
     
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    I would think we would really only want to use clay in the backfield or as a slot receiver, unfortunately for him Gibson and in all likelihood Rodriguez are superior players



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    I too question if shermans is a good NFL playcaller..
     
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    Rodriguez is for sure.
     
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    Here's that photo of Clay, Egnew, and Sims on the sideline https://twitter.com/OmarKelly/status/370565078669873152/photo/1

    I dont think the coaches are as down about Clay as most of us were after the Tampa game.That one deep pass over the middle was well defended and the DB got his hand in there and broke it up.Clay was playing a new role and I'm sure the coaches knew that.

    The problem with Clay taking the starting TE means Clay needs to learn Kellers role and Rodriguez needs to learn Clays role.They have designed plays for Clay and I'm sure he knows them pretty good by now.

    Best thing we can hope is Clay goes back to his role at FB and either Egnew or Sims grab Kellers spot.I say it's time for Egnew to get thown to the wolves.Sims looks good but there's no excuse why Egnew cant handle the job while Sims learns the playbook inside and out.

    Clay will make plays just like the ones last year that deep TD down the right sideline not counting a half a dozen more but as a FB.If Rodriguez beats out Clay which he very well may so be it.I'm thinking Egnew and Sims both share Kellers #1 role by the season start.
     
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    Clay shouldnt be counted on for anything except to drop the ball.I think the fish could get better production from a street FA. He has bad hands,no field awareness and isnt much of a blocker. Hes not going to scare anyone. Roll with the rookie Sims and see what they have.
     
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    This is where busting on a third round TE, and neglecting the position for several years, is going to bite this team in the ***. I like Sims, but the ideal situation was to bring him in as a second/third TE for blocking, and slowly work him into more of the offense to see if he has starting potential.

    That said, here we are. No one really thinks Clay is a starting tight end. I don't remember at any point seeing a vocal contingent saying Clay should start over Fasano, and we all know Fasano was decent, not great. So give Sims all that he can handle in terms of playing time. Egnew should see some snaps if his receiving skills have progressed enough with the pads on to make up for his blocking. If he's not good enough to see the field ahead of a mid-round rookie and a scrubby H-Back, cut him.
     
  28. dolpns13

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    Well clearly as it relates to this year we did not neglect the position. We had our starting TE..

    Although Clay isn't even a good backup

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    I wouldnt be so quick to say that. Hell Rodriguez had 4 friggin receptions last year, he hasnt proven anything except he is a dumbazz
     
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    Sims has better and softer hands more natural reciever
     
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    But when you consider the blocking, Sims has the skillset with longer arms and he uses them well. He almost looks like a LT sometimes the way he uses his arms. He extends out and rides.
     
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    I am not down on Clay either. He got thrown in there after keller injury. I just think it would be better to use him as H-back, FB, and a second TE set or even put him in motion out of backfield while Keeping Sims in. You can do a lot of sneaky stuff there IMO.
     

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