Charles Woodson anyone.

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  1. Amars

    Amars Championship or nothing.

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    Is it possible we can let go or trade Madison and get Woodson? Or is that to big of a cap hit? Woodson is a solid corner and Tackler.
     
  2. DolphinzD

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    I'd be for it if he returned to his Michigan form by playing WR some too. He'd instantly be the second-best WR on the team.
     
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    How on earth do you think we'd pay for him? Trading or releasing Madison is very unlikely because of the cap hit. And Woodson is hardly an upgrade over Madison.
     
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    He seems to get injured too often and is overrated IMO. I'd rather keep Madison.
     
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    not a shot in hell......we need OFFENSE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
     
  6. Prime Time

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    Definately not. Madison is a better cover corner and has better hands. And he is not injury prone like C-Wood. C-Wood is overrated.
     
  7. Section126

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    I would only dump madison for Law or Winfield.
     
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    Or Bobby Taylor.
     
  9. Samphin

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    Woodson is terrible. The guy gets injured if a bug looks at him cross eyed. He publicly ridiculed his coach and team and says he is in it for the money. He is a free agent this year so you wouldn't have to trade for him, however I would strongly advise against picking this guy up.
     
  10. XoPhinsoX

    XoPhinsoX No More Injuries, Please ;).

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    Winfield? :lol:
     
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    Why would you want this malcontent who's injured more than Fred Taylor and who gets burnt more often than toast? He's overpriced, overhyped, and way over-egoed!
     
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    Do not touch the D...It's fine. We need to improve the Offense. A complement WR to Chambers. Offensive lineman and a QB (Brunell as a vet or draft Manning, like we have a shot at him :rolleyes: )
     
  13. Boulware 58

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    It's kind of like the Red Soxs getting rid of Nomar for A-Rod. Woodson is better, but it would be stupid.
     
  14. SoCalRaider

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    How many games did Wood miss this year? 0
    How many games did Surtain miss this year? :eek:
    How many times did Wood even appear on the injury list this year? 0
    How many times did Surtain appear on the injury list this year? :eek:
    After Wood shut down Randy Moss to 1 catch over 10 yards, how many times did the Steelers throw to Hines Ward with Wood in 1 -1 coverage? 0
    After Wood shut down Randy Moss to 1 catch over 10 yards, how many times did the Favre throw to Donald Driver with Wood in 1 -1 coverage? 0

    I'm not here to get into a who's better shouting match between Surtain and Wood. Most of you guys will say Surtain. Most Raider fans including myself will say Wood... But based on the fact that he has shut down EVERY receiver he has faced this year and QB's are now avoiding him again... you can't knock Wood based on what he has done this year.
     
  15. Section126

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    "Wood" could not carry Surtain's jock strap with a forklift."
     
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    1.Surtain
    2.Bailey
    3.Law

    Book it.

    Anyway, I think Woodson is better than Madison. Bringing Woodson here, you would not see more of an upgrade. One thing with C-Wood is that he is more of a shut-em Down CB. Kind've like our boy, Pat. Would not make a big difference though. We need offense.

    BTW, whoever said Madison has better hands than Woodson.. oh boy.
     
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    Woodson < Surtain. Nothing you can do about it. Surtain is the best cover corner in the league.
     
  18. SoCalRaider

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    If Surtain is so great, why do QB's still go after him?
     
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    :lol: :lol: :lol: :hitself: :jk:
     
  20. SoCalRaider

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    You actually think Bailey is worth his salt after he got ripped for 2 touchdowns by Amani Toomer and then on Sunday gets burned for a 60 yard TD and then gets a concussion on the same play after the receiver kicks him in the head on his way into the endzone. :nono:
     
  21. Section126

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    Here they are:

    1. Surtain
    2. Bailey
    3. Law
    4. Vincent
    5. McCallister
    6. Woodson
    7. Winfield
    8. Madison
    9. B. Taylor
    10. T. Newman
     
  22. Fresh

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    How many times do those QB's hit those big plays? Off the top of my head, I can remember one. That's Coles in November.

    Let's be realistic, you CANNOT run on Miami if your name isn't Edgerrin James. :tongue:
     
  23. SoCalRaider

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    Look, I really haven't seen any Dolphin games this year, my questions towards Surtain are more out of curiosity, not out of sarcasm. Plus I have no idea what E.James has to do with anything... :confused:
     
  24. Section126

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    That was in a 2 deep quarters coverage, so it really wasn't even his fault.

    Pat is the man!
     
  25. Fresh

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    Commas are always welcomed here at FinHeaven. :goof:
     
  26. Sal Lisitano

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    C-Wood is a good corner...i would put him in the top 5 but he got burnt in the most important game of his life...in the SB vs. the Bucs...I remember a couple of times when he got burnt...and than you'll say to me ya but he was hurt...and I'll say...if that's so...he should have not played!!!
     
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    Yes...Pat Surtain pronounced...Certain...to shut down any wr in the NFL!!!
     
  28. Fresh

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    hmm.. maybe the fact that Miami shuts down the run as good as anybody, so teams throw a lot against us... :confused:
     
  29. SoCalRaider

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    Playing on a fractured leg I would agree that he is not a premier corner. His decision to play was more out of doing whatever it takes to help his team out... plus playing on one leg he is still better than the other option at the time, Clarence Love.

    But at 100% like he is this year, no receiver has touched him, and more imporantly he has had the best season of his career...
     
  30. Fresh

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    Surtainly!
     
  31. Sal Lisitano

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    The point he's making is that since a lot of teams/running backs have a tough time running on the Fins D...the teams have no choice but to pass the ball. E. James has had some success running the ball against the Fins!!!

    On the other hand, teams don't have much trouble running on the Raiders (this season) so teams will pound the ball and throw the ball when they need to. Basically, C-Wood does not get "tested" as much as our corners do. So, if C-Wood got "tested" more...he probably would have gotten beat more often. I'm not talking smack...just stating the obvious.

    Go Fins!!!
     
  32. SoCalRaider

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    Point well taken.

    In retort, the leading pass rusher for the Raiders has a pathetic 4 sacks (2 of them coming last Sunday), so Woodson doesn't have the benefit of a great pass rush to force QB's to throw quickly...
     
  33. SoCalRaider

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    That's not much of an argument because you could easily say if teams tested him more, he'd get more INTs...

    Part of the reason QB's don't "test" him might have to do with the fact that the WR isn't open. Last night was a great example. Woodson was on Donald Driver for almost the entire game, and Favre checks down. But as soon as the Raiders change up and put Woodson on somebody else, Favre goes right to Driver and completes every pass...
     
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    C-Wood is a good corner. I'm not arguing that...but he's no Surtain and thats for Certain!!!

    Do you think he'll be gone???

    Go Fins!!!
     
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    Chris Chambers called McCallister the most overrated CB in the league.

    He ain't that good. At least not this year. If Chambers had a QB, he puts up a career day on McC.

    As for Woodson, I think he's got elite skills. Big, fast, strong, instinctive, tackles. Being banged up the last few years have made people question him.

    I think he's definitely more naturally gifted than Surtain. But a better CB?? I couldn't tell ya. I didn't see Woodson much this year. And I didn't pay attention to who Brett Favre was torching last night besides that tough pass over Gibson to Walls.
     
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    Favre was consistently torching Phillip Bucannon all night long. IMHO Buchannon was a terrible pickup for the Gay-turds. He's done nothing but get hurt and get burned since he's been in silver and black. Basically, Favre made Buchannon his beeyatch last night.

    :hump:
     
  37. SoCalRaider

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    No I think the Raiders will do whatever it takes to keep him in Silver and Black. If last night was any indication, the Raiders really have no choice but to hang on to him. If they lose Woodson, what do they have left?
     
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    I agree with a lot of that.

    - I've seen a lot of interviews where WRs have said guys like McCallister and Law are over-rated... and if you think about, there's no better judge of a CB than the WR that he has to go up against.

    - Right now everybody is bashing Woodson based on the way he has played last year and the year before that, but nobody has bothered looking at what he has done this year. It's that saying that players and fans don't recognize what you've done until "the year after a great year"... Case in point right here.

    - As for who's better between Woodson and Surtain... I have no idea, but if I could chose any 2 CBs to build a defense around, it would be those 2 without a doubt...
     
  39. canadainfin-fan

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    i like woodson cant see him anywhere but oakland
     

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