College Coaching Changes

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  1. ChambersWI

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    Joker Phillips is out at Kentucky
    Derrick Dooley fired from Tennessee
    Jeff Tedford out at Cal
    Mike Price of UTEP is retiring
    Arkansas looking for a coach as John L Smith only signed a 10 month contract
    Gene Chizik likely out of Auburn

    More to come?

    Tennessee is planning on going hard after Jon Gruden but doubt they get him. Charlie Strong is also mentioned. If all else fails, the Vols know that Duke Head Coach David Cutcliffe will take the job if offered.

    Rumors are Cal's top 3 tagets are 49ers OC Greg Roman, LATech Head Coach Sonny Dykes, and San Jose St Head Coach Mike MacIntyre.

    Arkansas is looking at at Vandy head coach James Franklin.

    No real word on Kentucky, but Bobby Patrino is interested in the job, but the boosters hate him.

    Auburn is linked with Lousiville OC Shawn Watson
     
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    UK has zero interest in Bobby and I doubt Bobby has any serious interest in them. It's really more of a leverage thing on his part to get a better job. UK boosters hate him because of his time here in Louisville (where he repeatedly called them "Blue Smurfs" and "those Slapdicks from Lexington" along with running scores up on their football team) and they don't want to pay their football coach the amount of money that Bobby would likely demand.

    As far as Charlie to Knoxville, from what we've heard he's 3rd or 4th down their list and there's really no guarantee that he would even take the job if offered. He has a top 10 and potential BCS championship game caliber team coming back next season (we lose 12 seniors, only 3 of which play any significant reps) along with a probable Heisman candidate quarterback in Teddy Bridgewater. If we can get a big name team to play us in our 1 open OOC schedule spot next season, and if we go undefeated we could make it to BCS #2. That is worth staying one more year here. There are always job openings. The 'Ol Ball Coach down in Columbia SC has to retire at some point. Charlie may be looking at that job, I don't know.

    At this point all we've heard are the same rumors that Shawn Watson is on Auburn's radar. We don't know where he is on their list however.
     
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    Auburn is also looking at the possibility of Gus Malzahn, whose had a great first season with Arkansas State

    Kentuckey just saw a list of guys they have on their list
    1.San Jose St HC Mike MacIntyre
    2.Utah State HC Gary Anderson
    3.LA Tech HC Sonny Dykes
    4.Cincy HC Butch Jones
    5.Texas A&M OC Kliff Kingsbury

    Of those names, Kingsbury is the most likely.

    Also, rumors are flying that if USC loses to Notre Dame, Lane Kiffin will be axed. He was not hired by Pat Haden, he brings a lot of baggage, has done stupid things, and his team has underachieved. Others have mentioned, the interest from Tennessee and USC were both due to him bringing his Dad and Coach O to the respective schools.
     
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    I would think Auburn would be hot on Gus Malzahn's trail. Its now obvious that he was the brain behind the operations down there instead of Chizik. Sometimes its the coordinators that make the team and not the head coach: see Hawkins, Dan, and Kragthorpe, Steve.
     
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    Idaho and Western Michigan are open as well. Idaho is a dead end job. Western Michigan wouldn't be a bad job to take
     
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    Tom O'Brien out of NC State. Dude burnt some bridges leaving Boston College saying that there was a ceiling on how good they could be but NC State could be great. Horrible coach in the ACC winning 1 away ACC game in 6 years. Running Russell Wilson out of town didn't help.

    Boston College also releases coach Frank Spaziani. Spaz was a very good DC for a long time who was named HC for his loyalty to the school. Couldn't handle all the duties.

    Danny Hope fired from Purdue. Personally never felt he should have been the head coach there. Had Joe Tiller not named him his replacement, he would have never been considered for the job. While Purdue doesn't have great talent, they should do better than what Hope did there.

    Rumors are Tim Beckman and Ellis Johnson both could be fired after one year at their respective schools (Illinois and Southern Miss). Southern Miss had 10 wins last year with Larry Fedora and didn't win a game this year. If Johnson is fired, Southern Miss will contact former OC, and current North Carolina OC Blake Anderson to be head coach. Same story with Illinois, while not an overly talented team, they are better than the 2 win season they had under Beckman (who also rubbed a lot of people at the school the wrong way)
     
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    With U of L losing to UConn and now on a 2 game skid I think schools are going to cool on Charlie Strong and Shawn Watson. Some of Watson's play calling this season has been strange to say the least.
     
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    Colorado job is open. John Embree was a likeable guy, but was in way over his head as a head coach... especially at a BCS school. Colorado has been in a bad spot though due to money issues.
     
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    Purdue is gonna go hard after Northern Illinois coach Dave Doeren. Doeren knows the Big Ten will as he was Wisconsin DC from 2006-2010. Doeren is 22-4 as NIU coach.
     
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    Erik Ainge is all over Twitter saying that Cincy's Butch Jones to UK is a "done deal". I'll believe it when I see it.
     
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    that would kind be a weird move for Jones. I think Jones is a good coach, and that Kentucky is a better job than people think (not an SEC contender, but they can be a consistent bowl team) but it's not a step up for him.
     
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    Agreed. It anything its a lateral move for him.
     
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    sounds like Mark Stoops to Kentucky could be finalized today
     
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    Which is still weird. We've been hearing around here that agents have been telling their coaching clients to stay away from the Kentucky job if you're an "up and comer". It's a dead end job.
     
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    confirmed, Mark becomes the 3rd Stoops brother to become a head coach. He'll be confirmed later.

    as long as the boosters, fanbase, and coaches realize and accept that they are not competing for SEC titles, it's a good job. Rich Brooks went to 4 straight bowl games winning 3 of them, got some decent recruits (for Kentucky), and was putting players in the NFL. As long as the Wildcat folks realize that their potential is that of an 8 win team then it's a good stepping stone job.

    Now a lot of Kentucky folk were expecting some of the hot mid major coaches like Darrell Hazell, Dan Doeren, and Mike MacIntyre to jump at the job. That wasn't happening.
     
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    I can hear Mitch Barnhart telling Mark Stoops right now:

    You want us to spend how much money to improve our football facilities? Sure we can do that <wink-wink>. Let me just put a call into Mr. Calipairi and see if it's ok."
     
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    Ellis Johnson is in fact one and done at Southern Miss. That's gonna happen when you go winless one year after the coach you are replacing goes 12-2 (school record) and missing a bowl game for only the 2nd time since 97 (They missed a bowl in 2001, but were bowl eligible).

    I know people don't like college coaches only getting 1 or 2 years, but that was a disaster.
     
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    Apparently Les Miles is using Arkansas to get more money out of LSU.
     
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    Apparently within the past couple of days Auburn had a phone conversation with Charlie Strong. However just like their usual schtick (see Bobby Petrino) they did not ask U of L AD Tom Jurich from permission to speak with Strong. One Auburn website said it was an "interview" but an angry Charlie Strong said last night that he hasn't interviewed with them. Auburn is about to be a dumpster fire and has extremely meddlesome boosters. He would be taking over a program hit with sanctions by the NCAA but with boosters wanting him to win now and beat Alabama. That's not a very good situation.

    I'm guessing he politely told them thanks but no thanks. Strong is said to be "giddy" about U of L's move to the ACC and he and Jurich were seen walking around Papa John's Cardinal Stadium discussing enclosing the stadium into a bowl via a new seating expansion. I seriously doubt anything comes from this.
     
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    only place I could see Strong leaving for in a heartbeat is Florida because that's where he spent a majority of his coaching career. Otherwise, I don't see him leaving Louisville as long as Teddy is there. But even then, he's doing a good job building the Louisville brand bringing in some talented players that wouldn't even sniff Louisville otherwise and have a shot at getting 5* WR James Quick.
     
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    Pretty much, but I do think he would consider the SC job if the 'Ol Ball Coach ever retires (who knows, he may be there until the day he dies). U of L was the 16th most profitable athletic department last season. With ACC money we will move into the top 10 most profitable. If Strong leaves it won't be about money. We can park a Brinks truck on his front lawn if need be.

    Oh, and Quick says we're still the leader even after his official visit to OSU last weekend. Yesterday's announcement about the ACC can only help with that. When it's all said and done I think he ends up as a Card.
     
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    the joke going around right now is that Auburn has reportedly had contact with Gary Patterson, Chris Peterson, and Charlie Strong which means Mark Mangino will be the next Auburn Head Coach (Patterson supposedly was heavily interested in the Auburn job last time, but they gave it to Chizek)

    Anyways, Stoops is taking James Coley to Kentucky with him in some capacity according to sources and will also be bringing in Texas Tech OC/QB Coach Neal Brown. If both are true, those are pretty impressive gets. Kentucky is reportedly going to upgrade the football facilities. Reports are they saw the type of effect James Franklin has had on Vandy and are hoping Stoops has that effect on them.

    Speaking of Mangino, he's in talks to become Colorado's head coach.

    BC has reportedly contacted Jim Tressel's representatives, but they'd have to show cause for hire to the NCAA if they decided to go that direction.

    NC State may be looking at Todd Grantham, Georgia DC. Fans want James Franklin, but he's not leaving Vandy.

    The Vols nation still thinks they're getting Gruden.

    I think you'll see movement after the Conference Championship games.
     
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    I'll believe it when I see it. Those old time coal UK boosters only care about basketball. They ran Bear off all those decades ago and haven't looked back since. In the 1980s they told UK guard Rex Chapman not to date black women and finally forced basketball coach Tubby Smith out in 2007. They control UK's money and they'll tell Barnhart what to do with it.

    If they really are going to finally put some money in the football program then it isn't because of Vandy, it's because of the University of Louisville. We are showing their redneck fanbase that it is possible for an athletic department to pour money into football AND have a top basketball program. They are consistent with their superiority complex over U of L. They've got to keep us as their percieved "little brother".
     
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    Gruden officially pulls himself out of the Tennessee coaching search. A lot of Vols fans are now thinking they can get Mike Gundy which is almost as dumb as Gruden. Gundy is an Oklahoma State alum that has the backing of one of the richest boosters out there in T. Boone Pickens. The team also overachieved this year in many peoples eyes. The fan base is just gonna have to accept that the Tennessee job is not gonna attract big name guys to leave their position.

    I'm now going to go on a rant about hiring coaches. Too many teams either go for the big name hire, the hot candidate, or a guy known as a good recruiter. Steve Kragthorpe had a good record at Tulsa so many felt he would be a good hire for Louisville. Turns out, as you said LouPhinFan, he wasn't the same without his assistants, and he couldn't recruit. Rich Rodriguez was seen as one of the best coaches in the Nation at West Virginia and was a disaster at Michigan. Part was because his system (mainly defensive) didn't work in the Big Ten, his staff (again defensive) were not good coaches, and he couldn't recruit the area Michigan recruited. Instead of going for good midwest players, he'd go for marginal guys down south.

    Minnesota did something similar. Glen Mason was not a good recruiter, but he was a good coach that had the Gophers in bowl games consistently, with occasional top 25 finishes. They fired him and hired Tim Brewster; a guy who was never a coordinator (which isn't always a bad thing), but they didn't hire him for his coaching. They hired him because he was Mack Brown's recruiting coordinator for a long time at both Texas and North Carolina. To be fair, Brewster was not a terrible recruiter in his time at Minnesota. He was not however a good head coach. Wasn't ready to run a program. Jerry Kill was a better hire as he is known as a guy who can build solid programs. The only thing holding him back IMO is his seizures.

    Gene Chizik was hired in Auburn because of his connections to the school. He won the National title because he got lucky (paid) Cam Newton to go to school there, and he had an offensive genius in Gus Malzahn. Once Malzahn left because he was desperate to be a collegiate head coach. Which is funny because Malzahn was offered the Vandy job a year earlier but turned it down because his people told him he'd get a better job if he was patient. That ended up not being the case because when he interviewed for the NC Job, he (and his wife) terrified the AD. So he got stuck with the Arkansas State job. Anyways, once Chizik lost his top assistant (and we can add DC Ted Roof as well, although the D sucked last year) he was exposed.

    Time for another rant. Jon Embree and a few people are saying Colorado fired him because of racial issues. No. No No. Embree being black had nothing to do with that. In fact, had Colorado had any money to spend on coaches (their athletic department is broke) he wouldn't have been considered. Hell even then, the only reason he was considered is he went to Colorado and coached there in the past as an assistant. He was fired because his teams weren't even competitive. Same with Randy Shannon at Miami, he wasn't fired for racial issues, his teams under performed. I love when the issue of race comes out in coaching and why there aren't many minority coaches at big time programs. Again, I doubt it has much to do with race. Big time jobs don't open up much. The crappy jobs open up. Will Muschamp and Chip Kelly getting big time gigs as coordinators are the exceptions not the rule. As I mentioned, look at Gus Malzahn, after the 2010 season he was linked with an SEC job. A crappy one in Vandy, but an SEC job. He thought he could do better so he declined and he only got offered by Arkansas State

    The race issue is so stupid. I understand it's an issue (the fact it took Charlie Strong so long to get a head gig is criminal) but truth be told unless circumstances dictate it, the first head coaching job a hot coordinator gets is gonna be a crappy job. Guys like Chip Kelly and Will Muschamp are exceptions not the rule.
     
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    Yikes, what was so terrifying about them?



    I'm hearing rumblings that Butch Jones to Purdue may be a done deal. At least that's the word going around Cincy fans.
     
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    heard that too about Purdue. Jones is getting a bit of grief for just following Kelly, but he's a good coach in his right. Did better at CMU than Kelly, but not as good at Cincy.

    Well terrified may be strong with Gus, but his wife did an interview on a local tv station and she came off as rather crazy. Can't find the link to the interview, but really after she went on her rant, a few of the schools that were supposedly interested in Gus severed ties with him. Reason Arkansas State had interest is Gus is a legend in Arkansas cause of his high school teams and Gus was extremely desperate to become a HC in college.

    Again, funniest thing was Vandy wanted him and offered him the job and Malzahn listened to people saying he'd get a better offer if he waited. Didn't happen.
     
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    Dave Doeren to NC State. Named coach and his NIU team makes a BCS bowl. Good hire though by NC State
     
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    Brett Bielema to Arkansas. Good coach but chokes in big bowl games.
     
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    Hot damn. I know that SEC > Big 10 when it comes to football, but he had it damn good at Wisconsin. What's the motive?
     
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    Money. Bielema is a decent coach, but there are questions.

    1.Dude struggled a lot in big games (namely Rose Bowl)
    2. How good is he really? He had a GREAT staff at Wisconsin during his run (and a lot of that staff was put together by Barry Alvarez). This year he had no Doeren, no Chrust, no Rudolph (Wisconsin's best recruiter) and no Huxtable (Their second best recruiter). The team really struggled.
    3.Bielema doesn't like to recruit
    4. He complained about how Urban recruited at Ohio State this year, he's gonna hate the SEC.

    It is telling that Wisconsin fans are more upset by the timing than him actually leaving.

    Auburn is also about to hire Gus Malzahn. Meaning for the second year in a row, Arkansas State has their coach leave after 1 year.

    Petrino to Idaho... Paul Petrino.

    Also sounds like Darrel Hazel to Purdue
     
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    Willie Taggert has backing for the USF job
     
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    Bielema to Arkansas is extremely bizarre.

    If he didn't like the way Urban recruits, he's in for a bunch of miserable days in the SEC. He's going to have a hard time selling that style of football to recruits in a conference (division) with LSU and Alabama.
     
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    and as I said, Bielema is not a good recruiter. Doeren and Chryst were. They are now head coaches. Chryst took Huxtable and Rudolph with him and they were good recruiters too.

    Bielema is a defensive guy. Team struggled this year on offense without Chryst. Yes they didn't have Russell Wilson, but they made a Rose Bowl with Scott Tolzien and were a top 10 team with John Stocco. Common theme? Paul Chryst as OC.
     
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    I understand the money aspect, I do. But man, he had it good at Wisconsin. I don't think Arkansas increases his chances to win a National Championship, so money has to be factor numero uno. And maybe the weather. :)
     
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    I'm aware, thank you.

    It won't be long until an SEC coach flips some Arkansas commit and Bielema pulls his hair out. He's got a lot more than Urban Meyer to worry about 'round these parts.
     
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    Sounds like it's Mahlzan to Auburn. Figured that would happen.

    Under the radar hire: Steve Addazio to BC. That's a good hire, he's a good coach. Looks like Charlie won't be getting away from him when we move to the ACC.

    With the Wisconsin job openning up, Pitt fans better run for their Tums and Malox. They might be searching for a coach...again.

    Meanwhile the Gundy to UT rumors are starting to ramp up.
     
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    So are the Strong to UT rumors. I'm guessing he's the next head coach at UT.
     
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    If he does, he does. With the ACC money we're about to get we'll be jumping from the 16th most profitable athletic department to the top 10. We'll be able to afford just about any coach we want. AD Tom Jurich will just find us another coach and eventually we'll find a coach that wants to be here. Once that happens, look out.
     

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