Combine withdrawals

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  1. Fin Thirteen

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    Keenan Allen won't participate, as his PCL tear hasn't healed. That will hurt him on draft day, imo.

    On the other hand, Kawann Short's draft stock has probably peaked after the Senior Bowl. He's not likely to test as well as a lot of DTs, so I'm not surprised he has suddenly pulled a hamstring.

    Ditto Eddie Lacy, who will rest on his Bowl appearance and who has also picked up a sudden hamstring injury.
     
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    Allen could fall pretty hard. He's one of the guys who had a lot to dispel. Lot of average athlete talk surrounding him. Hope it makes him fall to 42.
     
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    (just for the record, I don't actually think he'll fall to 42.)
     
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    allen out...well that's a bummer...i don't know how anyone can watch his cal tape and say "average athlete"

    totally agree on short...he wants to avoid showing as average vs the dt class in that setting for as long as he can
     
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    Not saying I agree, but there's a lot of that talk.
     
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    someones gonna end up stealing allen probably late in round 1 due to this injury...the strong getting stronger
     
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    Keenan Allen is a big bodied receiver without the big body stiffness that normally comes with big receivers. Kids an athlete.
     
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    bingo
     
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    Denard Robinson, who has everything to prove going into the Combine if he wants to be taken seriously as a multi-threat player or WR, is going to play through a nerve injury in his hand, which is giving him numbness.

    Either that, or he's getting his excuses in early!
     
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    that guy as a slot wr is nothing but a projection...way too risky in the early rounds...with a slot you want polish...robinson has none
     
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    With the right team and coaching there is a lot of potential with Denard Robinson. I don't like him for us cause we really can't afford to be overly patient but on a team like the Packers where they can use him like they use Randall Cobb (as a RB/slot receiver/return man) he has the potential to make an impact in the NFL. You can't deny his athleticism and he's got a lot of heart, he's also a team player...I think you're half way there with the kid already.
     
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    Not average at all when you consider his size (which btw I would love to get an accurate measurement on that). However, if you do not consider his size...then yes he's kind of average, athletically. Which leads to the question how much he is able to hurt opponents with size. If he's able to Brandon Marshall everyone on the field (I'm using him as a verb because his physicality is a force of nature) then obviously average athlete won't matter. If not...
     
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    I've actually moved Denard Robinson to runningback on my board. He has too much trouble catching the football to ever pan out as a receiver. However, as a change-of-pace back/returner I think he can be a factor.

    Keenan Allen certainly isn't an average athlete, he's just made to look average compared to a kid like Cordarrelle Patterson after everyone finally caught on. This is a case of good athleticism vs. special athleticism. Not good athleticism vs. average athleticism.
     
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    I would continue to work Denard Robinson at wide receiver and see if his hands improve when he's no longer fighting injury issues. He was trying to catch the football at the Senior Bowl while literally not being able to feel his fingers. I'm no expert, but I'd imagine being able to feel your fingers is pretty important in catching a football that is spinning toward you at 50-60 miles per hour.
     
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    speaking of size is patterson really gonna measure out at 6 ft 3??? i doubt it...keenan allen probably won't either...but if i got to choose one of them i'm taking allen and his polish...maybe not as explosive or elusive with the rac but i see high end nfl wr and consistent production player...

    none of these wrs though would warrant top 5 bpa in any draft talk...
     
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    and i believe that allen is gonna be more of a red zone win wr than patterson...
     
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    Fair point regarding Denard's injury, although my gut tends to guide me here. What I see is a kid that's undeniably a severe threat totin' the rock as opposed to trying to catch it. I like his ability to run through tackles already...prior to adding a little more strength. I'd like for him to add to that and scheme him more out of the backfield.

    Just an aside to the Allen conversation, Stedman Bailey is the #2 receiver on my board behind Patterson, and struggle with even having to put him there.
     
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    This was probably known by many of you, but Matt Barkley will not throw at the combine, as his shoulder injury isn't fully healed. I tend to think this won't hurt his draft position - those who want him high in the draft will be looking at his tape and more particularly his 2011-12 tape. The only things scouts will want confirmed would be body measurements and the athletic drills, in all of which he will take part.
     
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    I'm kind of glad to see Allen pull out. Less chance we will make him the pick now.

    CP ftw :420:
     
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    Stedman is going to have a great career of he find himself on the right team. He's a mix of Reggie Wayne and Steve Smith. I got to watch him at WVU and there's no doubt in my mind this kid is going to be looked at as one of the steals of the 2013 draft. Still kills me that 23 touchdowns dosent win you the belintnekoff(sorry for the spelling on that) award he ha something like 10 more than lee and only around 100 less receiving yards. Yea I think Lee might be the better overall receiver but numbers have to mean something . I digress, hope we steal steadmen with our second 2
     
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    Dee Milliner won't compete in the bench press and will undergo surgery on a torn labrum in his right shoulder after the combine.
     
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    Two NFL personnel men ripped USC QB Matt Barkley (shoulder) to Yahoo! Sports after Barkley announced he wouldn't throw at the Combine.
    "Here we go again, another L.A. movie star quarterback who needs his own day to throw," said a veteran scout. Informed Barkley is injured, the scout replied, "I'm telling you, it's always [something] with guys from down there ... not just USC, the whole area. I don't know what it is." Added an NFL team executive, "And you wonder why guys from Southern California (are bad)? Everything is like they have to draw attention to themselves."
     
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    You turned me onto Stedman Bailey a long, long time ago. I put him #1 on my receiver board on no later than 12/24/2012...but once I caught up on all of the Cordarrelle tape (around 1/8/2013), I put him #1 which bumped Stedman down to #2. So that's also how I have it right now, Cordarrelle Patterson #1 and Stedman Bailey #2.

    Keenan Allen isn't even necessarily my #3 right now. I'm leaning toward Markus Wheaton for that spot. I really do see a Santonio Holmes there, except with DeSean Jackson's pure speed. I have a lot of respect for Quinton Patton, Terrance Williams and Keenan Allen, and those are probably the three that are duking it out for #4, #5 and #6. And Allen may be closer to #6 than #4.

    As for Denard Robinson, I respect your gut feel on the catching. You could easily be right. I saw enough in the route running at the Senior Bowl though (natural ability not necessarily refinement) that I'd have to stick with him at wide receiver and just see if it worked out.
     
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    He's got like 1200 throws on tape. I don't think the scouts need to see him throw at the Combine to make a judgment there.

    It still confuses me that there's such strong disagreement on his arm strength. I've clocked his arm on a lot of different throws at a lot of different distances. It's not quite Ryan Tannehill, but it's a lot closer to Ryan Tannehill than it is Kellen Moore which is an absurd comparison I recently heard sourced from an anonymous general manager.

    ---------- Post added at 01:05 PM ---------- Previous post was at 01:04 PM ----------

    Whoever those two guys are, are either idiots, or they're having fun with the media. I'm leaning toward the latter.
     
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    Jarvis Jones won't workout at the combine.
     
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    This is way I've been saying all along. And a red zone weapon is what we're really lacking. If we draft Allen then I feel a lot better about signing Wallace who really presents little threat in the red zone
     
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    Stedman Bailey's unique ability to play bigger than his size is found in the measurements.

    He measured in at 5' 10 1/4 " -- 193 pounds -- with 32 3/4" arms -- and nearly 10" hands. Those are the arm/hand measurements that are pretty standard for a 6'2" receiver.
     
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    Ignorant question: what separates Denard Robinson from Pat White?
     

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