Discussion in 'Miami Dolphins Forum' started by circumstances, May 11, 2017.
Can't be Willis is better.
Yeah man, we should have packaged some pics and thrown in X Howard to go snag him.
Yeah...we all know these teams evaluations are perfect right?...not.
Half of these first rounders or less will even make it.
Get back to me in the future and lets revisit Jordan Willis versus Charles Harris.
Why would they trade up for Charles Harris when you could've got Jordan Willis in the third round?
I know, right? Like, why did the Jaguars draft Dante Fowler in the top 5, when they could have drafted Danielle Hunter in the 3rd or Trey Flowers in the 4th? It's almost like most NFL teams struggle to evaluate talent in a meaningful way.
Always encouraging at the end of the article when its pointed out good chance a couple of the picks wont pan out. Nobody knows for sure but lets pounce on the people who liked Willis cause were sure those people are wrong.
What approximately would the compensation been if we moved down to 28?
Nah, bro. They were trying to move up for Jordan Willis.
Probably a third round pick. Maybe more since Dallas really, really wanted Harris. I'm sure they were one of the teams with offers that Grier mentioned.
Taco would have been the pick for us at 28. Add that into consideration.
So happy we stayed put. Next year is the year to move up or down now that we've addressed some major needs and found two long term starters on defense.
Not sure, but I wonder what they offered the Ravens to jump up to number 16 to snag Harris ahead of us.
Teams miss on players all the time, and Willis may end up being a very good NFL DE, but the fact that some are actually hoping that Willis is the better player, just to "be right", reminds me a lot of people getting excited for when Tannehill had a bad game, just so they could say "I told you so" on the forums. At this point, I could care less what Willis does, Harris is a Dolphin, he is the one I want to have success and I hope he ends up being the DE, the team thinks he can be.
Willis is good and tested very well, but he isn't nearly as explosive off the line as Harris, nor can he bebnd the arc like Harris. Harris is close to Aldon Smith in terms of a first step in his pass rush, and that's saying a lot. Imo the two special edge rushers were Harris and Takk McLinley who has a very appealing power/speed aspect to him. Dallas wanted Takk as well, Atlanta moved up to take him away from Dallas. Dallas ended up with a less explosive talent, Taco Charlton.
Yea, when I was talking to one of my friends at work (Huge Cowboy fan), and told him we had taken Harris, somewhat upset he told me that Harris was the player they were hoping to take,,,so at the very least, I guess that was the player that was being talked very highly on the Cowboys being interested in.
Make more sense to me now, I thought it was just my coworker that was high on him.
Why did Charles Harris vs Jordan Willis become a thing?
Both players were quite exciting to watch on tape.
agendas. that's why
TRADE UP FOR DERWIN JAMES!!!
Charles Harris has Cam Wake type first step and bend to his game.
Aldon Smith and Harris play a lot a like, I'll take 40 sacks in 3 years from Harris and laugh my way to another all pro DE no matter what Willis does.
What? There is lots of disdain for Willis in this thread, and absolutely no negativity about Harris. Where are you agenda comments originating from? Seems concocted to me.
Ahh so they have bad scouts also?
Those comments are not exclusively about this thread, but over the last few weeks in regards to the Willis vs Harris debate. It has been discussed ad nausea on this forum and is one of the reasons why Willis was brought in the first place. Not saying that it was necessary to do so, but it happens. Going back to the original draft day, there has been a good deal of negativity about Harris and other options the Dolphins had. I don't believe those posters dislike Harris, but like many who follow the draft closely, watch a good deal of college football, we start to really like players and want to see them in Dolphins uniforms and end up disappointed when the team passes on those players. I felt the same way when we took Harris over Peppers, but it happens, but I am not going to want Peppers to have a better overall career over a player on the team I root for.
Thinking a player will be better than the one we took does not mean you hope that a player is better than the one we took. Actually, I feel like most people who prefer Willis hope they are wrong which kind of messes up the whole "agenda" thing.
From reading this board post draft I feel like I see more people making fun of those who like Willis because he got drafted in the third round.
I guess we all just see things differently...
It's a three year carousel ala Gurley vs. Dude from Wisconsin type argument. By the time the three years are up, no one will care and you'll be perceived as a diehard blowhard if you do. It's mental masturbation at it's best/worst.
That said, I'll place my mental goo chips on Harris... because Kansas state is the scientology of college football, there I said it. It's a weird, creepy cult where players seemingly do well ensconced in the program, only to underwhelm outside the barracks ala Daniel Thomas once they escape. It's the most generic Midwest college program that has zero national following I've ever seen. Even the stadium has no discernable characteristics.
Daniel Thomas says, "Hello":
Man. I wish we had that pick back.
Daniel Thomas #37 RB
Chicago Bears | Official Team Site
Height: 6-1 Weight: 235 Age: 29
Born: 10/29/1987 Hilliard , FL
College: Kansas State
Experience: 5th season
High School: Hilliard HS [FL]
You sir, are the ****ing worst!
Lol, right on cue...well done
No bro...I hope Harris and McMillen prove me wrong...I care more about my Dolphins winning than my ego over my talent evaluating ability which I receive no money for.
I just think its funny when people assume that because Miami & Dallas... (and probably more) teams thought Harris quick first step ranked him above Willis, that it makes Harris automatically a better pro.
I hope I'm wrong, but I feel Willis will have a greater career.
So, if they wanted to move up to get Jordan Willis, they would have had to trade... Jordan Willis? Sounds very complicated.
This is great to know that there were other NFL clubs interested in our first round draft pick other than us.
Could have traded down and still gotten lamp. Harris better be special.
I couldn't agree more. I was one of the ones who really wanted to draft Willis in the first. But I'm certainly not bagging on Harris who was clearly more highly thought of by the NFL personnel departments. They might be wrong, but at this point Harris is easily the more desired player. I was surprised by the initial negative blowback regarding the Harris pick, but that happens when people get so invested in a specific name they don't realize that their evaluation is even more likely to be off than the entire set of NFL personnel departments.
Willis may become great but there's obviously reasons why Willis fell to third.
When you consider his combine, senior bowl, position and no off the field issues there should be no reason he was a 3rd pick.
I just never understood the Willis love. Some were saying top 15-20 lol
I remember when we did our top 5 guys mostly everyone wanted Willis.
Most of the time when someone's trending on here we follow the lead which is what I think happened on the forum.
That's awesome anytime you hear another team willing to trade up significantly for our guy!!
Harris could become deadly under Cameron Wakes tutelage!!
Who knows? Willis may become a better player. Doubt it
I was obviously being sarcastic about Willis.
Oh I know brother. If it was meant to me lol
I've talked about it a little, but Harris definitely has some good traits that supporters can point to as reasons why he'll excel. He also carries his share of risk/concern. To me, his tape and production is a mixed bag, and that's why I said he'd need a great Combine/Pro Day for me to like him in the 1st. Others like his tape better, and they're less concerned with his profile. As I've stated in previous posts, many of them are very smart, savvy evaluators. CK likes Harris more than I do, and I've really enjoyed CK's points on Harris. Everyone has their own way of assessing risk, and for some, Harris raises too many concerns to draft in the 1st. For others, his positives overshadow those concerns. There are multiple ways to navigate risk in the draft and many factors to consider.
I was, and still am, disappointed by the Harris pick, but that doesn't mean I hate him or think he'll be a bust. I just view his risk and ceiling differently. I expect that most people who were disappointed have generally similar feedings. I'm rooting for him, and I don't view him as dead in the water. I just thought there were better ceiling/risk ratios available.
While I am not blown away with Harris the athlete he was the right choice for us in this draft. Wakes replacement is much more important than a guard right now and using a first rounder on a guard is rarely good value. I really think we were fortunate to have Harris drop to us. As far as trading down, and selecting Lamp in the 2nd round, thats hindsight talking and we all could be great NFL GMs if we had that talent .