Credible Financial Site Ranks Miami 2nd Worst-Run City In US

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  1. Vaark

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    24/7Wall Street also ranks Hialeah as 5th worst. Ironically, Miami ranks worse than even Detroit

    I dunno that The Fins should really financially continue to hitch their cart to a city oft derided as a "banana republic" from a political standpoint vs finding a corporate partner to situate a custom made stadium in a central site in a more stable municipality and accessible to a more affluent and mainstream demographics base -like near the Bank Atlantic Stadium in Sunrise at the edge of the Everglades. Perhaps instead of the major rehab, Mr Ross should do some upgrading with an eye towards eventually turning Joe Robbie into a soccer and special events stadium. (hell, maybe we'll even attract better beat writers LOL)

    2. Miami, Fla.
    > Population: 408,760
    > Credit rating: A2, negative outlook
    > Violent crime per 1,000 people: 11.98 (12th highest)
    > Unemployment rate: 12.4% (17th highest)

    Between 2007 and 2011, the median home value in Miami fell by 43.5%. Additionally, the city had one of the nation’s lowest median household incomes, at under $29,000, while 31% of residents lived below the poverty line — nearly twice the U.S. rate of 15.9%. Despite the difficult economic conditions Miamians faced, the city joined with Miami-Dade County to pay for almost 80% of the more-than $600 million cost of building a new baseball stadium for the Miami Marlins. The deal has caused significant uproar. While taxpayers pay extremely high costs to service the stadium debt, the team has traded many of its top players. In 2011, the SEC launched an investigation into the agreement.



    Link to Miami as the second worst run city

    Link to methodologies used to develop the rankings
     
  2. Vertical Limit

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    Oh but don't post these facts here, according to some people here fans are required to buy tickets and if they lived here they would buy tickets too. :lol: What they don't know is that if they moved here there's a good chance they may not find a job for a good while.
     
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    I don't live in Miami so I don't know the stat but I am shocked that the population is that low. Is that correct? I thought the population was in the millions? Interesting approach the stadium subject.
     
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    Ft. Lauderdale > Miami
     
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    Miami is my favoirte place on earth...whatevs. I wish I could travel there more often.
     
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    Really? Have you been to a city with millions? Places like Toronto/Chicago have 2.7 million. And trust me, once you've been there, you'll realize that Miami is nowhere near it... simply because you can park places in Miami with relative ease! LOL
     
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    Miami is a joke. Great city overall, but the people that run Miami are straight up frauds.
     
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    the city of miami is pretty small. its the metro area that is heavily populated. I believe its near 3 million. Everyone goes all throughout the metro area.
     
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    No.

    Inside of city limits, Miami has roughly 400K in population. Columbus, Ohio is actually bigger than Miami. In Miami-Dade County, there are only roughly 2.5M in population.

    Now, if we're talking metropolitan areas, the Miami Metro area is one of the largest in the country because it encompasses Miami, Ft. Lauderdale, Deerfield Beach, Jupiter, Pompano Beach, West Palm Beach, Boca Raton and other surrounding communities.
     
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    ... how is "Miami Metro" encompassing West Palm Beach, Palm Beach Gardens, Jupiter + Tequesta? That's just not true. When surveys reference "Miami Metro" they are talking about https://maps.google.ca/maps?hl=en&s...,+USA&ei=P8j6UKnEKobh0QGIz4CADg&ved=0CNUBELYD

    Not places that are in different counties + over 100 miles away.

    Also according to the Office of Management and Budget, the Miami Metro area (the real one) has over 5 million people :stare: I had no idea.
     
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    Don't post the facts. You might hurt the brains of the dodo's who love to piss on us South Floridians.

    Fact is, 31% live below the poverty line. This is something I already knew because I have lived in Miami Florida since 1990. This place is a 3rd world country, no joke. Most everything is in spanish, and going to any American establishment like an Outback Steakhouse, McDonalds, etc... will have you met with people who can barely speak proper english with heavy accents.

    Miami's reputation as a nice, party, beach city is only because if you are rich, you can have a great time.

    A lot of people cannot afford to go to Dolphin games. Especially if the team has sucked *** for the past 10+ years. And the Dolphins are competing with a first class organization in the Miami Heat, who are truly a model to how a sports franchise should be run, in any sport.

    So before you go and piss on Dolphin fans for being "bad fans" again.....
     
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    What lol? That map is for Miami METRORAIL and other locations that begin with metro, etc., lol.

    The Miami Metro AREA extends all the way up to Palm Beach County. SOFLA.
     
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    wait WTF why did the 2nd weekend of ultra get cancelled? aw damn now I gotta get tix for the 1st weekend

    EDIT : no, you are wrong Twitches Brew. miami voted to allow both weekends.

    http://exmiami.org/threads/miami-co...-weekend-of-ultra-music-festival-in-2013.430/
     
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    Good thing Mr. Ross is going to create 4,000 jobs with the stadium renovations.
     
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    The Miami Metro area includes the 3 counties of Palm Beach, Broward and Miami-Dade and stretches from Jupiter to Homestead.

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    More people working on the renovations than additional fans we'll gain to come see it.
     
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    There are parts of Miami-Dade itself that aren't included in the METRO area lol. Metro area doesn't necessarily mean Miami or inside the county in which a city is geographically located.
     
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    Please, Just like the I-595 construction was supposed to create all these jobs, yet they went and got people from out of state for less to do the work? There is loopholes in everything and Mr. Ross didn't gain 5 billion dollars by being this saint. You best believe whatever his "plan" is, it revolves around lining his pockets right first.
     
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    Of course not, imagine if the Everglades didn't exist . . . I think the population would be pushing over 20 million by now :lol:
     
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    Being real about my personal experience in this city, as much as I love Miami, if I could move out of here and it guaranteed me a job elsewhere I would. I've been unemployed for 3 weeks now, been doing some side jobs here and there to put money in the bank, but jeez is it ever hard to get a freaking interview these days. Even with all the experience in several areas I have, I sometimes have to resort to getting a job that is below my resume at times just to work.

    It is what it is, the good thing is I am not a spender even when I've had very good paying jobs before so there's always been money in the bank to support myself and family.
     
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    Sad. What is your background in?
     
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    The biggest issue with Miami is if you are not bilingual, you aren't getting a good job. That is where this "banana republic" as Vaark stated it is the full truth. Companies will take less qualified people in a heartbeat (and I may way underqualified) because they speak 2 languages and that is why this city/area is turning into a crap hole.

    The biggest reason I have not purchased a house in South Florida (and I've lived here my entire life) is because I am not sure I wanna be here to raise a family.
     
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    Damn right. I am leaving Miami when the financial time is right, the sooner the better. Will always be a Dolphin fan though
     
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    It's tough. It's one reason why a lot of people leave South Florida. Too much of a language barrier to begin with and jobs are scarce. Unless you can find something concrete in Lauderdale or Palm Beach, it just makes sense to bolt. Violent crimes in Miami, gangs in North Miami, etc. It's not easy. Can't blame anyone if they didn't want to raise a family there. All of the people who are raised as Dolphin fans leave South Florida and then Dolphin fans can't figure out why we can't fill a stadium on Sunday.

    It's easy to have all the answers when you're on the outside of the box.
     
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    The quote I posted was direct from the Federal Government site for the Budget. Miami Metro Area does not extend up to Palm Beach County. It may have in the past? I'm not sure.

    For purposes of budgeting... and the census itself... the US Government seems to label the Miami Metro Area as Miami - Ft Lauderdale - Pompano.

    http://www.whitehouse.gov/sites/default/files/omb/assets/bulletins/b10-02.pdf

    Silly debate regardless. My fault for starting it.
     
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    It is labeled that way, but it includes West Palm Beach as well. It is Jupiter to Homestead . . . and that is the area they track for the census for this Metro area.
     
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    Actually, my understanding is that the metro area, as defined by advertisers and other commercial entities is considered "South Florida" and does extend from Homestead to West Palm. it's not unlike the NY Metro area encompassing adjacent parts of NJ and CT. I think we're getting bogged down in semantics. What's more pertinent, IMO, is that the more stable, affluent demographics that are Fins Fans in general are north and somewhat to the west of Miami Dade County with the likelihood that there'd be more receptivity to attending games if the stadium was situated more centrally. Hell, putting the stadium near the Sawgrass Mills Mall would make the commute from West Palm less than an hour and from the affluent Martin County including Jupiter, a lot more do-able also. Also moving the stadium out of the clutches of chronically graft-ridden 3rd world type politics removes the Fins from the foibles of corruption and arbitrary policy reversals. Personally I love the diversity that is South Florida, but factually, the handsign that was once put up at the Broward border on *I 95 saying "welcome to America" was more stating a reality than it was a slur.
     
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    I'm from Montreal and just got back from Miami last night after a 7 day stay in Kendall. Spent a couple of days in Miami beach and went out to Liv last Saturday night. All I could say is my 40 year love for Miami is stronger than ever. My wife and I were just talking this morning about moving there. I love it. Just one thing though. No one speaks English!!!!!!!!! It's unbelievable. The Walmart the public the Walgreens nobody spoke English. How is this possible? Anyways I still love the city and always will. It's simply beautiful!!!
     
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    Learn something new every day. Interesting! I wonder why they do it like that?

    As far as South Florida goes, I left because I couldn't stand the area. Too much intolerance, too much social divide, too much violence, and frankly... I noticed my home was not my home anymore. West Palm Beach is being completely overrun. It's a shame, because I love Palm Beach County. It's a paradise. My family was a staple of Jupiter FL in the 30s and 40s. A close family friend, someone my relatives used to call uncle, was a well known trapper. It was my legacy, almost.

    And I moved. Way up north. And I love it up here. It kills me but South Florida right now is dying. I don't know why, and I don't know how to fix it but simply put... it's a place you don't really want to be if you can help it.
     
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    The Miami Metro area was expanded after the 2000 census. It's still labeled as Miami-Ft. Lauderdale-Pompano Beach but it absolutely extends into Palm Beach County now.
     
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    I walked into a Wal-Mart in Doral and asked to speak to a manager (was doing some part time work as a vendor) and I was hit with "Queue? by the greeter" I said "manager, manager" and the guy pointed to the direction of Customer Service and was rude on top of it. A certain arrogance because I don't speak Spanish, but yet its cool that you live in America and can't speak English.

    South Beach is not the real Miami. Yea it's still a plus if you are bilingual, a big plus . . . but you aren't getting away with not being able to speak English . . . well for the most part.
     
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    I also have a house in SoCal. It has always galled me that the Cali DMV has the drivers (test) manuals in 5 languages - literally. I'm a firm believer that, be it FL, CA, TX or wherever, if you want the privilege to drive in this country, you should make the effort to learn at least enough English to pass the written tests.

     
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    What's incredibly funny to me is the serious divide between immigrants in Miami. My brother in law is cuban (born and bred, actually) and I've seen him get into it, multiple times, with fellow Cuban immigrants. The debate? Every single time, the fact that he wants people in the service industry to speak English. His parents learned English when they came over, and he's so overly sensitive about it, he gets irritated when he sees someone unwilling to make the sacrifice his parents did.

    And people who fly the Cuban flag, but that's because he hates Castro and Cuba itself for stealing his family's land and farm. Whole other subject there. That being said, I speak spanish. My little niece, 3 year old half cuban girl speaks better english (and spanish, actually) then almost everyone I meet south of Atlantic!

    That being said, other cultures and languages make a community beautiful. If we stick to ONE thing, it becomes stagnant and boring. It's this mix that makes a society worth living in. The main problem is that when you bemoan the people saying "Speak English! It's America!" you are actually ignoring the other issue... people who only speak Spanish who are commanding HABLAR ESPANOL are doing the exact same thing.

    Stubbornness all around. Like I said, a huge social divide. It's sad. I live in a city where the majority are not native (Toronto) and most people here adapt. Most are bi lingual. Those who refuse to adapt and become insulated, only speaking their own language (Chinese) become the outcasts because nobody wants to be a part of that. When you come into a community, regardless if you are just moving there or you are simply coming into an age to actually be a productive member of society, you have to adapt. Those who refuse make it a worse place, no matter if they say hello or hola
     
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    Im pretty sure 4 straight losing seasons have alot more to do with attendance than anything else. Two years ago these same economic factors and 10,000 more fans in stadium. We went from 90 percent capacity to 75 percent in two years.
     
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    Well even with these attendance issues the Dolphins are still middle of the pack revenue wise, actually doing better than some successful teams like the 49ers and others, because of the Miami TV market and their sponsors. Which is why there's never a blackout. Same is said about the Marlins, there's been games where any other team would be blacked out but the TV deal they have keeps them on television.
     
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    I'd like this 10 times if possible. I moved to Miami from Las Vegas where I was raised in 2003 and left in 2006. It took me over a half year to find work even with a degree because I only spoke English. It was extremely difficult to get used to. The traffic was terrible. The people in general seemed very unhappy and/or rude for no reason. I always felt awkward because I felt like I was a bother to most people because I couldn't speak their native language. I remember talking to my gf at the time (who was Nicaraguan and raised in Miami) about how poor the customer service seemed to be just about anywhere I went and how the language barrier made it damn near impossible to communicate when she wasn't there to do the talking.

    There were positives to the area also, but the cons far outweighed the pros for this western boy. I'll never forget the feeling of the cool, dry air when I got off the plane in Boise. I felt about 30lbs lighter.

    Oh Katrina and Wilma kinda sucked too. That 05 hurricane season was nuts.
     
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    Miami has it's share of problems for sure. The city government is probably one of the most corrupt in the country. Working in the down town and groove areas I was forced to learn some spanish just to get by. Try ordering lunch on Flagler street or SW 8th in English. Good luck with that.
    Over time I adjusted. Dated several Cuban ladies and attended numerous latin parties and cookouts. Still drink Cuban coffee every morning.
    The thing with older Cubans not wanting to learn the language is annoying but I figure in other country where there are large American populations they probably stick together and only speak English just learning enough of the local language to get by. Not excusing it just understanding it's human nature.
    I had to leave Miami a few years back and miss it every day. The ocean is 20 minutes away from anywhere. There's ALWAYS something fun to do.
    We have all the major sports, Great fishing and water activities. A large variety of lovely ladies of all shades. Golf courses everywhere. If you are young and single it's the best. Married with kids ? Not so much.
    I live in Macon Ga now and everyone here also speaks a foreign language. I believe it's called Redneck. Had to traded in the Lexus for a pickup truck.The nearest water is a 2 hour drive to Savannah. The biggest events here are wrestle mania , gun shows and high school football. No beer sells on Sunday. The average temperature last summer was around 100 with no ocean breeze it make it livable. Careful what you wish for guys.

    i always thought METRO Miami was the city and the small municipalities around it like Miami beach and Hialeah but did not include Ft Lauderdale or anything north of that hence the METRO rail.

    here's what google sez >>>The Miami metropolitan area is a metropolitan area including Miami, Florida and nearby communities.[SUP][3][/SUP][SUP][4][/SUP][SUP][5][/SUP][SUP][6][/SUP] The U.S. Office of Management and Budget designates the area the Miami–Fort Lauderdale–Pompano Beach, FL Metropolitan Statistical Area, a Metropolitan Statistical Area (MSA) used for statistical purposes by the United States Census Bureau and other entities.[SUP][7][/SUP] It was also known as the South Florida Metropolitan area (SFMA, Sofla).[SUP][8][/SUP] The OMB defines the MSA as comprising Miami-Dade,Broward, and Palm Beach counties—Florida's three most populous counties—with principal cities including Miami, Fort Lauderdale,Pompano Beach, West Palm Beach, and Boca Raton.
     
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    We also have one of the highest aids/HIV rates in the country and one of the lowest graduation rates in the country as well. Can you blame us? We are the deepest city in the South. THE SOUTH! The birthplace of ignorance and backwards thinking. In a country where the key issues are gun control and the president's race instead of education and healthcare. I would never root for the Davie Dolphins or the West Palm Beach Tortoises. Sorry.

    Miami is arguably one of the most diverse cities amongst minorities in all of the world, even in just those 400k of people, most people are of hispanic decent but from different countries, followed by blacks, and the biggest minority being caucasions. But when you include the Metro-Dade Area of South Florida the ethnical diversity is diluted, and you then have these upper class or "upper class thinking" individuals who feel their town full of over privileged retirees would be better served by an NFL team.

    I'm sorry but Miami's inner city, like most inner cities, is full of poverty, but in Miami the poverty rate is larger mostly due to the large amount of hispanic immigrants that are instantly poor from the moment they step onto U.S. soil. People who left desperately bad situations in their home countries, which they love, all in hopes to one day progress to just a regular life, but who are faced with the reality that even people in the U.S., specifically and specially the poor, go hungry and get gunned down for papers with peoples faces on it.

    These sports teams, like the Lions, Browns, Raiders, Dolphins, Ravens, etc. are beacons of hope in inner cities marred by the reality of what it means to be poor and unable in the "land of opportunity" blinding the hopeless with the dreams of gridiron gold and the ability to dream of a life that even a god would dream of, in a place where most have only had the opportunity to simply dream.

    I will tell you one thing though, that stat sheet can't measure heart and culture, something that Miami has more of than any other city in the United States. I am 26 years old and I have lived in Miami since I was 4 years old. When I was 13, I moved to Hialeah. I have traveled all over the U.S. and I have visited several countries in Central and Southern America as well as some in Asia. That is why I feel it is safe to say that Miami, undoubtedly, has more of a je ne se quoi than any other city within a 5,000 mile radius, making it more than deserving to have any and all of the sports teams it does have.

    Broward County and West Palm are just mad because no one cares about old people and palm trees. Get over it.

    Miami has the most beautiful people in the world. No one in the history of beauty has ever said " the most beautiful people come from Ft. Lauderdale." Get over it.
     

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